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Re: press

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:09 am

yTib wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:03 pm
sick to death of this buzzword.
Don’t mention the pivot and low block 😂 makes my skin crawl

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Re: press

Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:21 am

The press has always been involved in football.

The low block, pivot etc is just a buzz word derives from a football manager generation. I love the game myself but it epitomises the buzz word.

Mezzala
Trequartista
Pressing forward
Low block
Inverted full backs/wing backs etc….

It’s too much.

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Re: press

Post by atlantalad » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:27 am

Still got one in the house. Next time England play I may just put on some music, open the door, pull up a chair, and watch the washing air for entertainment.

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Re: press

Post by spt_claret » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:17 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:21 am
The press has always been involved in football.

The low block, pivot etc is just a buzz word derives from a football manager generation. I love the game myself but it epitomises the buzz word.

Mezzala
Trequartista
Pressing forward
Low block
Inverted full backs/wing backs etc….

It’s too much.
Press has always been around just as running/closing down/hard yards
Low block annoys me as it feels an unnecessarily new Americanised way of saying deep defensive line.
Double pivot is likewise just the trendy way of saying two defensive midfielders.
I don't like "number 6/8/10" because it doesn't actually denote a role. False 9, describes a specific type of second striker/deep lying forward role, the others generally have no agreed on definition.

But terms like mezzala and trequartista have been around for decades and describe specific positions, not just roles. The classic trequartista is an Alessandro Del Piero - deeper and wider than a standard striker but not as wide as a wide forward or attacking winger like Salah or Mane at Liverpool for example, with licence to roam in any direction. Scott Arfield played mezzala for us, a narrow wide midfielder encouraged to push forwards in a channel between wing and centre to create, threaten for goal, and make room for a fullback.

There's a lot of unnecessary fancy jargon these days and reinventing the wheel by giving new terms to old concepts and pretending they're new ideas but not every fancy sounding term falls into that bracket, and terms come along to describe new positions or roles or old ones that are adapted to modern football. Mesut Ozil was called a false winger sometimes because he tended to wander between the wing and centre, Thomas Muller's weird half midfielder, half striker, half winger thing has been termed Raumsdeuter because he doesn't really play any easily identified existing role.
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Re: press

Post by ecc » Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:51 am

Press = closing down.

The only Italian word I feel should be used is "libero" because the role didn't exist in British football. "Sweeper" became the "official" translation.

The numbers thing, as pointed out, is now meaningless.

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Re: press

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:09 am

ecc wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:51 am
Press = closing down.

The only Italian word I feel should be used is "libero" because the role didn't exist in British football. "Sweeper" became the "official" translation.

The numbers thing, as pointed out, is now meaningless.
I love a Libero. Not many if any about these days

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Re: press

Post by Spike » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:13 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:51 am
Our problem last season was that we could not effectively transition between the low block and the high press
As for a false No 9 - we had loads of them up front hence the lack of goals
Not just Inside the Number 9 shirt we had quite a few players last season whose pedigree turned out to be false

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