Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[ElectroClaret]

Vincent kompany was a top quality pro footballer with the highest standards. My guess is that he would have expected those standards from the players he managed...
whether he got that from them is another matter.

Its pretty obvious he didn't last season.
It was part of his job to ensure he did.
Awful stuff.

But the players have to examine themselves as well.

[HB Claret]

Vincent Kompany was an excellent footballer but I think that he may never achieve the same level as a manager / coach. Similar to Lampard, Gerrard and Waddle in that they are / were unable to accept that their players are not as gifted as they were.

[Guller Bull]

City to re sign Trafford?

https://thehardtackle.com/transfer-news ... placement/

[Socrates]

Vincent Kompany was an excellent footballer but I think that he may never achieve the same level as a manager / coach. Similar to Lampard, Gerrard and Waddle in that they are / were unable to accept that their players are not as gifted as they were.

You know he’s Bayern Munich manager now, right?

[Ric_C]

Tbh on the pitch, the only two players that visibly looked like they weren't trying last season at times were Foster and Fofana

[AGENT_CLARET]

City to re sign Trafford?

https://thehardtackle.com/transfer-news ... placement/

£160 Million and they can have him

[Steddyman]

£160 Million and they can have him

It wouldn't surprise me if they inserted a clause in the contract when we signed him, that allowed them to resign him for a fixed amount below our current valuation.

[boatshed bill]

It wouldn't surprise me if they inserted a clause in the contract when we signed him, that allowed them to resign him for a fixed amount below our current valuation.

Makes me wonder if we actually paid in full for him.

[HB Claret]

You know he’s Bayern Munich manager now, right?

Yes I am well aware of that - I still think that he has a lot to prove and he may well be successful but by all accounts he wasn’t first, second or third choice. Time will tell if he will be as good a coach as he was a player.

[Colburn_Claret]

Tbh on the pitch, the only two players that visibly looked like they weren't trying last season at times were Foster and Fofana

Foster had his problems, but lack of effort wasn't one of them. Countless times he was back in our half, winning the ball back, then holding on to it while looking for a progressive outlet.
Fofana, to be fair to him, came from a club where he wouldn't be expected to do the donkey work. He was a goat, starving of food.

It goes back to the Southgate problem, when you select/buy/loan an individual, because he has a certain skill set, why ask him to do something else.
That's what the U18s, U21s are for, developing players. Players will inevitably learn on the job, and be asked to grow, but when you buy someone for the first XI, it makes sense that they know their role already.

[morninbob]

It wouldn't surprise me if they inserted a clause in the contract when we signed him, that allowed them to resign him for a fixed amount below our current valuation.

Wasn't it 3 times what we paid?

[claretburns]

It wouldn't surprise me if they inserted a clause in the contract when we signed him, that allowed them to resign him for a fixed amount below our current valuation.

Wasn't there a reported clause to sign him back for £25million or £30 million or have I made that up?

[Holtyclaret]

Thought they had first option if we ever sold at something like £42m.

[NewClaret]

Berge of course was at Sheff Utd in the promotion season. I saw him on the box for them a few times and he wasn't particularly impressive so I'm not convinced he is the key to us getting promotion. He should do well at this level but will he?

It’s not fashionable to praise Kompany but one thing he did do was get Berge playing in what I’d say is his best position. So I’d agree with you that if Parker wants to make some tactical tweaks that would alter that, maybe he wouldn’t do so well.

Still, I think you have to keep the players that looked capable at premier league level together if we want to reestablish ourselves in that division.

[NewClaret]

Dupe.

[NewClaret]

Thought they had first option if we ever sold at something like £42m.

Fabrizio said £57m, others reports were £42m.

https://www.manchestercity.news/complet ... k-for-57m/

[alwaysaclaret]

Yes I am well aware of that - I still think that he has a lot to prove and he may well be successful but by all accounts he wasn’t first, second or third choice. Time will tell if he will be as good a coach as he was a player.

Looking at the size of he's backroom last season and since he came to us, I'm not sure he was actually a coach as such, I'd say he had enough people to do that for him, and he simply managed, and going off the more recent reports upset a few players along the way, did what he did and we had a fantastic championship season, but that was down to a combination of thing's that went right, a little bit like when the horse botherers won the Premier league with Kenny Dalglish, new stadium, Jack walker at the helm, momentum. As you say, has a hell of a lot to prove, I really wonder as you say, has he got what it takes, imo too up his self, all about him.

[bumba]

Yes. Because they won't have thought of that one.

Can try and act smart all you want but if you don't think Burnley sell key players late in transfer windows then you must sleep through them

[RVclaret]

Lorenz Assignon linked with a move to Aston Villa by L’equipe.

Not good enough for Championship Burnley though.

[Row x]

Lorenz Assignon linked with a move to Aston Villa by L’equipe.

Not good enough for Championship Burnley though.

Certainty not at the 10m being quoted

[jlup1980]

Foster had his problems, but lack of effort wasn't one of them. Countless times he was back in our half, winning the ball back, then holding on to it while looking for a progressive outlet.
Fofana, to be fair to him, came from a club where he wouldn't be expected to do the donkey work. He was a goat, starving of food.

It goes back to the Southgate problem, when you select/buy/loan an individual, because he has a certain skill set, why ask him to do something else.
That's what the U18s, U21s are for, developing players. Players will inevitably learn on the job, and be asked to grow, but when you buy someone for the first XI, it makes sense that they know their role already.

I can't agree on Foster. His performances early season were the benchmark for him. He was brilliant. The last couple of months were a complete disgrace. He ambled around the pitch most weeks. Something wasn't right with him, he looked hopelessly lost and shouldn't have been playing.

[Vegas Claret]

that would be a result if City do come back for him, that would be a substantial profit for us

[RVclaret]

Certainty not at the 10m being quoted

€10m which is £8.4m is an absolute bargain for him, in my view. Gosh Villa could end up with Maatsen and Assignon flying down the wings.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Lorenz Assignon linked with a move to Aston Villa by L’equipe.

Not good enough for Championship Burnley though.

Got to imagine he will be second fiddle to cash.

I think it’s a good signing for them though especially at that price

[Cooclaret]

It wouldn't surprise me if they inserted a clause in the contract when we signed him, that allowed them to resign him for a fixed amount below our current valuation.

I mentioned this at the time of signing. This had potentially FFP manipulation all over.

[Goliath]

I can't agree on Foster. His performances early season were the benchmark for him. He was brilliant. The last couple of months were a complete disgrace. He ambled around the pitch most weeks. Something wasn't right with him, he looked hopelessly lost and shouldn't have been playing.

Agreed. He managed to avoid much stick but some of his performances were absolutely disgraceful effort wise. Whether it was due to the injury I'm not sure but he sure as hell wasn't fit enough stamina wise.

[warksclaret]

Got to imagine he will be second fiddle to cash.

I think it’s a good signing for them though especially at that price

I have read today Cash could be moving, hence the supposed interest in Assignon. For me Cash far the better full back. Assignon is a hot head and lacks the temperament and discipline of playing for a top PL club. The interest in him from AV rather surprises me

[burnmark]

There’s absolutely no comparison between Assignon and Cash. I know who I’d rather have!

[warksclaret]

Supposed interest in Vigoroux from Swansea, whose latest manager had him playing in goal for Swindon when they were both there. At least we are getting the squad down, albeit in GK's-Peacock Farrell, Muric, Trafford maybe soon and now Vigoroux interest.

[Guller Bull]

Wout to Rangers?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/foo ... s-33305714

[NickBFC]

There’s absolutely no comparison between Assignon and Cash. I know who I’d rather have!

Cash is king

[Quickenthetempo]

€10m which is £8.4m is an absolute bargain for him, in my view. Gosh Villa could end up with Maatsen and Assignon flying down the wings.

He did alright for us and if we didn't have such a bloated squad, I wouldn't mind him coming back, but playing for Villa is a different kettle of fish.

Did he have a good game against any of the decent sides?
I can only remember Sheff Utd away.

[jrgbfc]

Don't get the hype with Assignon at all. I'd rather keep Matty Cash. I'd be gutted if we spent anywhere near 10 million on him.

[RVclaret]

He did alright for us and if we didn't have such a bloated squad, I wouldn't mind him coming back, but playing for Villa is a different kettle of fish.

Did he have a good game against any of the decent sides?
I can only remember Sheff Utd away.

I felt he was consistently one of our better players ever since he joined. Level above Vitinho and Roberts, which is why Villa want him and not those two. He was statistically the top chance creating full back in the league can you believe?

In other news Vigouroux is signing for Swansea:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... r-29595685

[Socrates]

Yes I am well aware of that - I still think that he has a lot to prove and he may well be successful but by all accounts he wasn’t first, second or third choice. Time will tell if he will be as good a coach as he was a player.

It was more around him getting used to the players around him not being as gifted as he was.

Because there are some pretty handy lads in that Munich squad.

[CnBtruntru]

Wasn't it 3 times what we paid?

I thought that was the agreement as well.

[NewClaret]

Don't get the hype with Assignon at all. I'd rather keep Matty Cash. I'd be gutted if we spent anywhere near 10 million on him.

Villa fan on the wrong board?

[NewClaret]

I felt he was consistently one of our better players ever since he joined. Level above Vitinho and Roberts, which is why Villa want him and not those two. He was statistically the top chance creating full back in the league can you believe?

In other news Vigouroux is signing for Swansea:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... r-29595685

Hope they’re paying a decent fee if that’s the case. Perfectly acceptable #2/3 in my opinion. Yes, he mightn’t be happy with that but he did sign a contract after all.

Replacing 3 goalkeepers in one window isn’t going to be cheap - fees, signing on bonus’, bigger wages for the “free” lads, etc. Seems a bit unnecessary to be honest.

[Holtyclaret]

Hope they’re paying a decent fee if that’s the case. Perfectly acceptable #2/3 in my opinion. Yes, he mightn’t be happy with that but he did sign a contract after all.

Replacing 3 goalkeepers in one window isn’t going to be cheap - fees, signing on bonus’, bigger wages for the “free” lads, etc. Seems a bit unnecessary to be honest.

We tend to carry one less keeper when in the champ and after the keeper circus of the last 12 months it’s some relief to clear out and start again, at considerable profit too.

[NewClaret]

I can't agree on Foster. His performances early season were the benchmark for him. He was brilliant. The last couple of months were a complete disgrace. He ambled around the pitch most weeks. Something wasn't right with him, he looked hopelessly lost and shouldn't have been playing.

After he came back from his period out he did look a different player. I can’t remember if Villa away was before of after that, but he was outstanding that game. I agree there were games where he was very quiet in the second half of the season. I put that down to being played out of position and maybe tactics at times too.

Hopefully he’s back to his best this season because a fit and hungry Foster would be a huge asset in this league.

[nil_desperandum]

Hope they’re paying a decent fee if that’s the case. Perfectly acceptable #2/3 in my opinion. Yes, he mightn’t be happy with that but he did sign a contract after all.

Replacing 3 goalkeepers in one window isn’t going to be cheap - fees, signing on bonus’, bigger wages for the “free” lads, etc. Seems a bit unnecessary to be honest.

Done well so far though.
One out at a good profit replaced by a very good one on a free- most likely on lower wages.

[NewClaret]

We tend to carry one less keeper when in the champ and after the keeper circus of the last 12 months it’s some relief to clear out and start again, at considerable profit too.

Yes, I’m not really against selling Trafford and Muric for the reasons you state. The debate had become too toxic and a clear out probably best for all, although I think Trafford will unfortunately go on to be worth a lot more than what we’ll get for him this summer so it’s a shame in that sense we’re not standing by him (or him us, for what we did for him last year), but Vigeroux wasn’t part of that and strikes me as a decent enough #2 for instance that would presumably save us money signing another.

[Claretkid78]

Wout to Rangers?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/foo ... s-33305714

Heard today he's been linked to Leicester??

[maccclaret]

Heard today he's been linked to Leicester??

Fox in the box?

[Woodleyclaret]

Let's hope he goes somewhere for money no more loan nonsense

[Holtyclaret]

Yes, I’m not really against selling Trafford and Muric for the reasons you state. The debate had become too toxic and a clear out probably best for all, although I think Trafford will unfortunately go on to be worth a lot more than what we’ll get for him this summer so it’s a shame in that sense we’re not standing by him (or him us, for what we did for him last year), but Vigeroux wasn’t part of that and strikes me as a decent enough #2 for instance that would presumably save us money signing another.

I think Traff (sadly) will be sold and replaced and then Vignouroux’s role as prem number 3 has ended, great opportunity for him though at Swansea.

Hopefully traffs replacement (if young again) is given the season to learn from Hladky and be eased in.

Agree we’re missing a stack of cash from not keeping Traff and I think a season in champ would be making of him.

[Vegas Claret]

€10m which is £8.4m is an absolute bargain for him, in my view. Gosh Villa could end up with Maatsen and Assignon flying down the wings.

You reckon Assignon is good enough for Villa based on what you saw from him last season ?

[Woodleyclaret]

Maatsen and Assignon flying down the wings loosing possession and Villa conceeding

[RVclaret]

You reckon Assignon is good enough for Villa based on what you saw from him last season ?

Yeah. Good rotation option.

[NewClaret]

Yeah. Good rotation option.

I agree and sub £10m is an absolute bargain for Assignon.

I thought he was decent and we looked better after he’d signed. A few frustrating aspects to his game and room for improvement but you saw at Sheffield United away what he would do to Championship teams.