Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Vegas Claret]

Kebbal can’t be close

He’s starting tonight

Paris were losing 0-2, he was subbed off in the 74th minute after being booked...........Paris then scored 3 times and won. No ta

[Clive 1960]

Wolves allegedly bid a starter for £13m. (O'Shea)
They have money in the bank.

https://www.molineux.news/transfer-news ... -molineux/

i believe Ipswich have signed him for 15 million hope not but money talks..

[RVclaret]

Leeds signing Manor Solomon in this league is a ridiculous signing and clear statement of intent. They’ve made two game changing signings now this week while we’ve significantly weakened.

[agreenwood]

Leeds signing Manor Solomon in this league is a ridiculous signing and clear statement of intent. They’ve made two game changing signings now this week while we’ve significantly weakened.

Which games have they changed? Neither have kicked a ball yet for Leeds.

It’s not Football Manager. There are no guarantees.

[morninbob]

Al dakhil now changed to a loan with buy option.
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/08/23/ger ... er/658153/

[FeedTheArf]

Leeds signing Manor Solomon in this league is a ridiculous signing and clear statement of intent. They’ve made two game changing signings now this week while we’ve significantly weakened.

A bloke who has played 200 minutes of football in the last year? Granted he looks to have a decent history in the Ukrainian league but so did the lad who we were linked with the other January and he did naff all when he moved to England.

Think I’ll reserve judgement.

[agreenwood]

Al dakhil now changed to a loan with buy option.
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/08/23/ger ... er/658153/

Unless Parker doesn’t rate him or he’s desperate to leave, I can’t see any point in loaning out promising/capable centre backs to the Bundesliga if you’re having to spend money to replace them.

[willsclarets]

Leeds signing Manor Solomon in this league is a ridiculous signing and clear statement of intent. They’ve made two game changing signings now this week while we’ve significantly weakened.

He's a very good player, surprised no one in the Premier league took him. Was it Fulham he was at on loan? Remember him being very good for them.
Losing Odobert, Berge and O Shea definitely weakens us no doubt, but i still think (today at least) our squad is the strongest in the league particularly with a clean bill of health. Getting Beyer Ramsey, Tresor, Redmond etc back will be like new signings as the old phrase goes, even if that's Xmas time it will be a big boost.

We are only a few injuries away from a pickle though, in CM and dare I say it, in our wide positions. I'd expect a winger to come in and I'd hope, a statement signing in central midfield. I do think Massengo is a good prospect, but one suspension and a knock to Brownhill /Cullen and we're knackered.

[burnley007]

Where is our Berge replacement?
We desperately lack that creativity in midfield. We were outplayed in large parts against Cardiff, despite the fortunate scoreline. I do hope the board aren't being over confident after 2 results and leaving us short of players, I don't think they will, bit doesn't stop me worrying.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Al Dakhil odd because I see a player there and a loan doesn’t help, but the Belgians are leaving our club at a rate of knots and one suspects only joined because of VK. I would expect Delcroix, Tresor and Benson to join the exodus if we found a good buyer.

Re the gaps in midfield I do expect a signing or two, big war chest piling up now due to savings on transfer fees and average wage reductions. Seems far more than the club would need to break even, even when including other things like factoring, debt repayments, sell on clauses etc.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think if no replacements come in you can be rightfully worried.

I’m expecting at least 3 in before the window closes

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Need to blast a win out today and make sure we are seen by potential signings as the best bet to be playing in the Prem next year.

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[Tricky Trevor]

Have I dreamt this?
Don’t players have an automatic right to a transfer if their salaries are reduced and wouldn't most of our recent signings have relegation reduction clauses in their contract.

[dibraidio]

Have I dreamt this?
Don’t players have an automatic right to a transfer if their salaries are reduced and wouldn't most of our recent signings have relegation reduction clauses in their contract.

I was told this by the queen too, I remember it distinctly because we were having a cup of tea at El Greco when I realised I was naked and had to do a runner.

[Big Vinny K]

Not so sure we are building a “war chest”
Let’s use the £20m plus £5m add on for Berge for example.

Think we bought him for £12m. So it’s likely £9m of that will be still outstanding and need to be repaid to Sheff United.
There’s possibly a sell on clause.
Agents fees.

And likely that Fulham are paying over 4 or 5 years.

That’s not going to leave much of a war chest.

We will have had existing transfer payment commitments of probably between £30m and £50m a season for next 3 years or so. These sales help reduce these significantly and presumably make the remaining commitments from new players we bring in or players we have bought that remain manageable so that the club is not losing money (or too much).

Finally the club will be trying its best to avoid booking any kind of profit so it does not have to pay tax. It’s likely to structure its deals and finances around this.

[TheFamilyCat]

Not so sure we are building a “war chest”
Let’s use the £20m plus £5m add on for Berge for example.

Think we bought him for £12m. So it’s likely £9m of that will be still outstanding and need to be repaid to Sheff United.
There’s possibly a sell on clause.
Agents fees.

And likely that Fulham are paying over 4 or 5 years.

That’s not going to leave much of a war chest.

We will have had existing transfer payment commitments of probably between £30m and £50m a season for next 3 years or so. These sales help reduce these significantly and presumably make the remaining commitments from new players we bring in or players we have bought that remain manageable so that the club is not losing money (or too much).

Finally the club will be trying its best to avoid booking any kind of profit so it does not have to pay tax. It’s likely to structure its deals and finances around this.

You've ignored the flip-side that we will also be paying transfer fees for incoming players over a number of years.

[randomclaret2]

Have I dreamt this?
Don’t players have an automatic right to a transfer if their salaries are reduced and wouldn't most of our recent signings have relegation reduction clauses in their contract.

This was traditionally the case in football, but only when one contract ended and a new one was offered with less money than the orevious one. I dont think it applied where a reduction was included within the same contract ( on relegation for example )
Whether this principle still applies at all Im not sure, as so much has changed in football.

[ecc]

Unless Parker doesn’t rate him or he’s desperate to leave, I can’t see any point in loaning out promising/capable centre backs to the Bundesliga if you’re having to spend money to replace them.

You're not alone, agreenwood.

It seems more than odd that a club who'll be playing in the CL should be interested in a player who's seemingly out in the cold at Burnley.

We should sell and go for top dollar (we are American, after all ).

[Big Vinny K]

You've ignored the flip-side that we will also be paying transfer fees for incoming players over a number of years.

I haven’t - the £30m to £50m a year represents our likely spend per year over 3 or 4 years (if we didn’t sell anyone)

I said we will be looking to reduce our annual transfer commitments - ie the phased payments.

Point really is all these sales are not giving us a big war chest.

I think the player turnover is here to stay as presumably if we did go back up we are back buying more expensive players (though not sure it will be as much as last year)

[ecc]

Apparently Wolves fans are shocked by the suggestion of £15m and think overpaying by so much would be terrible business by the club.

Yes, they're not used to paying big fees, are they?

[burnley007]

Will Dara play today?

[warksclaret]

Yes, they're not used to paying big fees, are they?

Strange comment by Wolves fans-they sold Kilman to WHU for £40m recently, then in 2020 spent £35m for Fabio Silva an 18 year old who simply has not lived up to his potential-infact he has been a flop

[Firthy]

Will Dara play today?

Apparently not.

[kentonclaret]

I haven’t - the £30m to £50m a year represents our likely spend per year over 3 or 4 years (if we didn’t sell anyone)

I said we will be looking to reduce our annual transfer commitments - ie the phased payments.

Point really is all these sales are not giving us a big war chest.

I think the player turnover is here to stay as presumably if we did go back up we are back buying more expensive players (though not sure it will be as much as last year)

There is bound to be a huge turnover of players because the players that we are bringing in (and those rumoured to be bringing in) are basically Championship level players. None of the players that we have signed have performed consistently at a higher level than the Championship. Hannibal only shone on loan at Birmingham and likewise Sarmiento at Ipswich. The keeper is a downgrade on Muric, who Ipswich would surely have retained if deemed good enough, and Worrell a downgrade on O’Shea.

[Conroy92]

I think everyone could appreciate there would be a lot of activity and that amidst losing a lot of the fringe players we would always lose a couple of the bigger names too.

In some ways the two bigger players I was always resigned to losing were probably odebert and berge. I also suspected Trafford would go. Mixed with a fair few of the fringe players I would have been happy enough.

Currently we're not far off that. Albeit Muric instead of Trafford although I suspect he will still go.

If we then lose Dara, Brownhill and Amdouni in my opinion we've lost 6 starters from the first 11.

That's not just selling a couple of big names and a load of fringe players.
It's selling half your first 11 and some fringe players.

[Tall Paul]

There is bound to be a huge turnover of players because the players that we are bringing in (and those rumoured to be bringing in) are basically Championship level players. None of the players that we have signed have performed consistently at a higher level than the Championship. Hannibal only shone on loan at Birmingham and likewise Sarmiento at Ipswich. The keeper is a downgrade on Muric, who Ipswich would surely have retained if deemed good enough, and Worrell a downgrade on O’Shea.

It's almost as if Premier League quality players want to play in the Premier League and earn Premier League wages with no desire to play in the Championship.

[Spijed]

It's almost as if Premier League quality players want to play in the Premier League and earn Premier League wages with no desire to play in the Championship.

Still have to get the balance right between selling players who want to leave and making sure we have a good chance of promotion.

[Jakubclaret]

Still have to get the balance right between selling players who want to leave and making sure we have a good chance of promotion.

To a degree we've made our own bed now we have to lie in it. For far too long kompany was allowed to run wild signing all these players which aren't sustainable now & have to go.

[NewClaret]

Apparently not.

Have to say I think this is a mistake unless an offer has been accepted, in which case we should communicate that.

Don’t see how dropping him helps our negotiation position and if we’re losing good players we need to pick up the maximum points in these early games whilst we still have them.

Also feel we really need to get Amdouni out on the pitch. His goal last week shows what a difference he can make.

[warksclaret]

Have to say I think this is a mistake unless an offer has been accepted, in which case we should communicate that.

Don’t see how dropping him helps our negotiation position and if we’re losing good players we need to pick up the maximum points in these early games whilst we still have them.

Also feel we really need to get Amdouni out on the pitch. His goal last week shows what a difference he can make.

Agree-however the deal with O Shea may be close to getting over the line and Ipswich have asked he be taken out of the squad. These final days of the window closing are painful for fans, not knowing who is going, who is staying and do we have enough time to get replacements. Like you I hope Amdouini starts and stays

[Quicknick]

There is bound to be a huge turnover of players because the players that we are bringing in (and those rumoured to be bringing in) are basically Championship level players. None of the players that we have signed have performed consistently at a higher level than the Championship. Hannibal only shone on loan at Birmingham and likewise Sarmiento at Ipswich. The keeper is a downgrade on Muric, who Ipswich would surely have retained if deemed good enough, and Worrell a downgrade on O’Shea.

I have a feeling that Ipswich fans won't be that impressed with Muric.

[Quicknick]

I think everyone could appreciate there would be a lot of activity and that amidst losing a lot of the fringe players we would always lose a couple of the bigger names too.

In some ways the two bigger players I was always resigned to losing were probably odebert and berge. I also suspected Trafford would go. Mixed with a fair few of the fringe players I would have been happy enough.

Currently we're not far off that. Albeit Muric instead of Trafford although I suspect he will still go.

If we then lose Dara, Brownhill and Amdouni in my opinion we've lost 6 starters from the first 11.

That's not just selling a couple of big names and a load of fringe players.
It's selling half your first 11 and some fringe players.

If, if if...

[NewClaret]

Agree-however the deal with O Shea may be close to getting over the line and Ipswich have asked he be taken out of the squad. These final days of the window closing are painful for fans, not knowing who is going, who is staying and do we have enough time to get replacements. Like you I hope Amdouini starts and stays

Not sure Ipswich can dictate who we play and don’t until an offer is accepted (which I assume it might be to be honest). Parker could of course take the view he’d rather play players that will be with us all season but I’d minimise disruption, play O’Shea if there’s been no offer accepted (strengthens our negation position & gives new players time to bed in), making just one change and bringing Amdouni in.

Hope to see Benson off the bench today as well.

Glad there’s only 6 more days of this stuff to go.

[warksclaret]

Not sure Ipswich can dictate who we play and don’t until an offer is accepted (which I assume it might be to be honest). Parker could of course take the view he’d rather play players that will be with us all season but I’d minimise disruption, play O’Shea if there’s been no offer accepted (strengthens our negation position & gives new players time to bed in), making just one change and bringing Amdouni in.

Hope to see Benson off the bench today as well.

Glad there’s only 6 more days of this stuff to go.

Many of us are on the same page as you NC. I think when we get team news @ 2.00pm, we might be a lot wiser of who is definitely going before Friday

[Row x]

Not sure Ipswich can dictate who we play and don’t until an offer is accepted (which I assume it might be to be honest). Parker could of course take the view he’d rather play players that will be with us all season but I’d minimise disruption, play O’Shea if there’s been no offer accepted (strengthens our negation position & gives new players time to bed in), making just one change and bringing Amdouni in.

Hope to see Benson off the bench today as well.

Glad there’s only 6 more days of this stuff to go.

I think I'd rather not play a player who's mind is on a move elsewhere, making sure he doesn't get injured etc

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

I would assume the player would not want to risk the move guys. I am all for BFC, but when the move is all but done, why would a player want to risk himself and a longer contract, payrise, etc for something that unfortunately does not matter to them.

Respect Tarky alot for keeping playing at the end when he knew he was off, but not typical that.

Will be interesting if SP goes for McNally or Bash.

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[morninbob]

Travers to be made available on loan, in case Trafford goes.

[Holtyclaret]

Have to say I think this is a mistake unless an offer has been accepted, in which case we should communicate that.

Don’t see how dropping him helps our negotiation position and if we’re losing good players we need to pick up the maximum points in these early games whilst we still have them.

Also feel we really need to get Amdouni out on the pitch. His goal last week shows what a difference he can make.

If he’s not playing today it’ll because he’ll be in Ipswich.

Even Dara can’t do both at same time.

[Woodleyclaret]

Selling for £15m is nonsense and to relegation candidates Ipswich worse.

[Holtyclaret]

Selling for £15m is nonsense and to relegation candidates Ipswich worse.

We’ve 10 cb’s at the club and it’s more than twice what we paid for him.

Ipswich are Prem and we aren’t and arguably a bigger club than us.

Dara is at his ceiling now, no mega loss.

But yep spot on as always

[Paul Waine]

Not so sure we are building a “war chest”
Let’s use the £20m plus £5m add on for Berge for example.

Think we bought him for £12m. So it’s likely £9m of that will be still outstanding and need to be repaid to Sheff United.
There’s possibly a sell on clause.
Agents fees.

And likely that Fulham are paying over 4 or 5 years.

That’s not going to leave much of a war chest.

We will have had existing transfer payment commitments of probably between £30m and £50m a season for next 3 years or so. These sales help reduce these significantly and presumably make the remaining commitments from new players we bring in or players we have bought that remain manageable so that the club is not losing money (or too much).

Finally the club will be trying its best to avoid booking any kind of profit so it does not have to pay tax. It’s likely to structure its deals and finances around this.

Hi Big VK, in what way will the club be "trying its best to avoid booking any kind of profit so it does not have to pay tax?" I thought we'd all agreed that ALK/VSL intention is to make money out of owning BFC? To make money out of the club they have to produce profits whenever possible.

Of course, easiest way to make a loss is to sell players for less than you bought them for. There's no sign of the club aiming to do that is there? Very much the opposite, I'd have thought.

Re "building a war chest" I agree with you that there's a lot more to consider than simply "bought for £12m and sold for £20m plus £5m add ons" = £8m + £5m profit. But, I don't think it's helpful to mix cashflow items - which have no impact on profits - and p&l items. The obligation to pay Sheff United £12m, less whatever payment(s) have already been made, existed from the day SB signed summer 2023. If that payment was split into 4 amounts, the first 2 of those would have been paid by now. Personally, I'm not sure it would be split into 4 equal amounts. If you were Sheff Utd would want to wait that long to see the cash from BFC? Of course, Sheff Utd may be able to factor the outstanding amount, but is there any evidence of that? (I've not looked at Sheff Utd accounts, nor their companies house filings re charges).

Similarly, if you feel Fulham "are paying over 4 or 5 years" (I don't, that's too long), BFC could factor the payment(s) due from Fulham.

We will learn something about the summer's transfer business when we see BFCHL accounts for 31st July 2024. Of course, that will miss out most of the details for all transfers, both in and out, from 1st August. We will only see details of individual outgoing transfers if BFC factor the receivable and a charge is filed at companies house. We may see the same for incoming transfers where players are bought from other England and Wales clubs and the selling club similarly factors any money due to them.

[Woodleyclaret]

Ipswich a bigger club than us.? Lol

[Paul Waine]

I would assume the player would not want to risk the move guys. I am all for BFC, but when the move is all but done, why would a player want to risk himself and a longer contract, payrise, etc for something that unfortunately does not matter to them.

Respect Tarky alot for keeping playing at the end when he knew he was off, but not typical that.

Will be interesting if SP goes for McNally or Bash.

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Don't give Tarks too much credit. He didn't play in the Brentford v Burnley Championship game, January 2016 (if I remember correctly).
Burnley won 0-3. James Tarkowski signed for BFC before the window closed that month.

[Andingle]

Ipswich a bigger club than us.? Lol

Why would you not see Ipswich as a bigger club ?

[matttheclaret]

Amdouni to Benfica according to Romano

[firebfcfire]

Benfica are advancing in talks to sign Zeki Amdouni from Burnley, deal progressing.

Loan with buy clause being discussed with Amdouni very clear with Burnley…

…he only wants to play for Benfica. - Fabrizio

[ervi34]

Romano: Talks betweeen Benfica and Burnley advancing. Player very keen

[Flying Without Ings]

A loan literally makes no sense to us whatsoever.

[agreenwood]

A loan literally makes no sense to us whatsoever.

Agreed, unless it’s a huge loan fee or mandatory buy clause.

We’re leaving ourselves an awful lot to do next week.

If Weghorst and O’Shea leave too, there’s very little strength in depth when the long-term injuries are factored in.

It’s baffling.

[BurnleyFC]

**** loans.

It’s either pay top dollar or the player can stay, sulking or not.