Vincent Kompany's Burnley Signings

[ClaretTony]

In the four transfer windows he was manager, we signed 36 players, some permanent and some on loan. Only 15 of those players are now available to play for us and that could become less by the end of the day.

Scott Twine - to Bristol City
Luke McNally - to Bristol City
CJ Egan-Riley
Taylor Harwood-Bellis - LOAN
Samuel Bastien - to Fortuna Sittard
Josh Cullen
Ian Maatsen - LOAN
Arijanet Muric - to Ipswich
Vitinho
Manuel Benson
Nathan Tella - LOAN
Darko Churlinov - to Ekstraklasa (loan)
Denis Franchi - to Ternana
Anass Zaroury - to RC Lens
Halil Dervişoğlu - LOAN
Jordan Beyer
Ameen Al-Dakhil - to VfB Stuttgart
Hjalmar Ekdal
Lyle Foster
Michael Obafemi - to Plymouth (loan)
Dara O'Shea - to Ipswich
Lawrence Vigouroux - to Swansea
Zeki Amdouni - to Benfica (loan)
James Trafford
Nathan Redmond
Luca Koleosho
Jacob Bruun Larsen - LOAN
Sander Berge - to Fulham
Wilson Odobert - to Tottenham
Hannes Delcroix
Aaron Ramsey
Han-Noah Massengo
Mike Trésor
David Datro Fofana - LOAN
Maxime Estève
Lorenz Assignon - LOAN

[Rileybobs]

This is a highly sustainable model.

[daveisaclaret]

This window feels like a proper clusterfuck right now, but I think there is some comfort in looking at it as a correction to VK's model instead of the inevitable continuation if he had stayed.

[fidelcastro]

When I saw that list I thought there'd be a comment next to the player's name a la the academy manager!

[Cheshireclaret]

One word for this - insane.

When it is put into this sort of context, surely nobody can possibly justify this as a sensible, sustainable, long-term 'project'. Let's hope this sort of insanity doesn't befall BFC ever again, assuming we finish the transfer window well.

[LoveCurryPies]

That list is going to need updating throughout the afternoon.

[ClaretTony]

That list is going to need updating throughout the afternoon.

I would think so

[willsclarets]

Some craziness there. A pretty good hit-rate in terms of quality, but they were never all going to mature into good playing assets for us simply because of the numbers.

[ClaretTony]

One word for this - insane.

When it is put into this sort of context, surely nobody can possibly justify this as a sensible, sustainable, long-term 'project'. Let's hope this sort of insanity doesn't befall BFC ever again, assuming we finish the transfer window well.

Totally agree

[scouseclaret]

Would be interesting to do a P&L of that lot. As a model for building a football club its highly questionable, but as a model for generating cash it seems to be working...!

[Rileybobs]

This window feels like a proper clusterfuck right now, but I think there is some comfort in looking at it as a correction to VK's model instead of the inevitable continuation if he had stayed.

Yes. Hopefully we see some kind of reset.

[jedi_master]

Last summer was one of the worst cases of mismanagement in the history of this football club from Kompany and Pace (and Mooney).

[summitclaret]

Still to go?

Benson
Tresor
Vits
Trafford

[Guitargeorge]

Speaking to someone close to the club, they said exactly this. VK has left the club in a gigantic mess. But it doesn’t answer why he was allowed to get away with it. The buyer wher I worked long ago asked the MD if he could purchase a book on Negotiation. The answer was simple “If you can convince me to buy it, you don’t need it, if you can’t convince me, you can’t have it!”

[Hipper]

What the club should do is set up a footballers agency. That's where the easy money is.

[Goliath]

I could be wrong but I think if VK had stayed and we'd have stayed up then he would have started to build on what we had a bit more gradually.
He had to make big changes in his first season and largely in the second season because he lost the loan signings and he obviously didn't believe we could stay up without big changes.

Obviously he went wrong last summer but it would have been interesting to see what his approach would have been this time around. The squad was fully his so I imagine he may have built round the core that was already here where possible.

I'm.pretty sure there'd have been less drastic changes.

[Foshiznik]

The process of signing players with potential to be profitable is very admirable in my opinion and we’ve been extremely successful in that aspect. What isn’t is the lack of a proactive model for when those players are sold or that they have to be sold if a profit can be made.

No one can complain if one of our players goes for £20m+ or if a we can double our money on a fringe player but we shouldn’t be all in on a model that leaves us scrambling with profiteering being the only primary goal to the detriment of everything else caused by such tunnel vision when as a custodian of a football club your number one measurement of success will always be on the pitch success with maximum profit being secondary.

[Hipper]

Last summer was one of the worst cases of mismanagement in the history of this football club from Kompany and Pace (and Mooney).

In terms of selling players for profit I don't think I agree.

In terms of being relegated, of course.

[ClaretPete001]

Would be interesting to do a P&L of that lot. As a model for building a football club its highly questionable, but as a model for generating cash it seems to be working...!

A very simple version of it is on Transfermarket but in reality many of the payments are received in the future based upon conditions being met so it's not easy to do.

The last time I did a check on incomings and outgoings I had it to something like £50 million received this summer but that does not include what is left to pay on their contracts and agents fees etc. It does include the £40 million Euros we have spent.

Any figure It would also have to include some kind of way of monetising those players who we can't sell because no one wants them because clearly you take the profit up front on those you can most easily sell.

In other words, if you have 100 cars and make £25,000 on the first ten sold it doesn't mean that you can extrapolate out a profit figure on all those you have bought for stock no one wants. And if you can't sell them then it reduces the profit on those you have sold.

So, those who are quoting figures like £135 million are nowhere near in terms of what we have generated this summer ....! And of those 15 left I would say only 3 or 4 of them could really be said to be good enough for the PL, which is also a factor for squad development.

[Murger]

Can you imagine working in wages. Player turnover would make that job horrendous.

[jedi_master]

In terms of selling players for profit I don't think I agree.

In terms of being relegated, of course.

What is the use of profit if it’s not used to improve the football club though (I.e, infrastructure, squad, debt clearance)? It seems we have raked in £150m ish and achieved nothing but back to where we were 2 years ago (literally and figuratively). Clearly the analytics we use work in terms of finding players who are worth more than we pay, that I agree with as the proof is in the pudding now. It’s the strategy that surrounds that and how it’s supposed to better us that needs work.

[ClaretPete001]

In terms of selling players for profit I don't think I agree.

In terms of being relegated, of course.

I think any analysis would have to factor in relegation in terms of profit. We aren't in the game of making profit on players that get us relegated. That's not a sustainable business model

If any of those bought last summer see out their contracts and don't make any contribution to the first team squad then you would also have to factor that in.

[Cleveleys_claret]

I am not going to slag off VKs transfers as you will always have good and bad when buying so many which was what was needed originally

The problem I see with it all is the 15million players give or take if you will

Trafford
Amdouni
Beyer
Tresor
Ramsey

Being unable to shift any of these for any sort of fee has caused us the issue of having to get rid of players like Twine, Mcnally and others for low fees to help raise some funds for SP and to help with the loans which obvs need paying to some degree

VKs big money signings were all flops really, whether through form or being injured. His lower end signings like Cullen, Koleosho, Muric have all shown their value

[RammyClaret61]

What the club should do is set up a footballers agency. That's where the easy money is.

Didn’t Kompanys business have a lot to do with all his signings? Just wondering if he is pocketing any percentage of the “undisclosed” ?

[Cleveleys_claret]

What is the use of profit if it’s not used to improve the football club though (I.e, infrastructure, squad, debt clearance)? It seems we have raked in £150m ish and achieved nothing but back to where we were 2 years ago (literally and figuratively). Clearly the analytics we use work in terms of finding players who are worth more than we pay, that I agree with as the proof is in the pudding now. It’s the strategy that surrounds that and how it’s supposed to better us that needs work.

In my earlier post the 5 names mentioned have probably cost us 80 to 90 million and were where the biggest chunk of our money went. 5 players that offer very little to us but if we could have shifted them at cost and the Odobert fee, would probably have recouped nearly as much as offloading 22-25 players we have had to

[Foshiznik]

I am not going to slag off VKs transfers as you will always have good and bad when buying so many which was what was needed originally

The problem I see with it all is the 15million players give or take if you will

Trafford
Amdouni
Beyer
Tresor
Ramsey

Being unable to shift any of these for any sort of fee has caused us the issue of having to get rid of players like Twine, Mcnally and others for low fees to help raise some funds for SP and to help with the loans which obvs need paying to some degree

VKs big money signings were all flops really, whether through form or being injured. His lower end signings like Cullen, Koleosho, Muric have all shown their value

That’s the risk of higher transfer fees. Most would say Odobert for £12m was one successful big money signing that was a risk

[Devils_Advocate]

What is the use of profit if it’s not used to improve the football club though (I.e, infrastructure, squad, debt clearance)? It seems we have raked in £150m ish and achieved nothing but back to where we were 2 years ago (literally and figuratively). Clearly the analytics we use work in terms of finding players who are worth more than we pay, that I agree with as the proof is in the pudding now. It’s the strategy that surrounds that and how it’s supposed to better us that needs work.

It depends where we are at the end of today but lets say nobody else leaves then below are all our players (I've left out weaker or unproven ones) that we didnt have at the end of the Championship winning season. If we have pretty much recouped our spend and now have a lot better players in place to get back up and be in a stronger position to stay up next them then that is progression

Players in since end of 22/23 season

Trafford
Pires
Beyer
Esteve
Worrall
Hannibal
Koleosho
Ramsey
Humphreys

These are the players we owned at the end of the Championship winning season who we have lost

Muric
Al Dakhil
Taylor
Barnes
Zaroury
Twine
McNally
Churlinov
Bastien
JBG

I would say that our squad is a massive upgrade from where we finished last season and the biggest disruption is the loss of Kompany rather than the loss of all the player

[jedi_master]

It depends where we are at the end of today but lets say nobody else leaves then below are all our players (I've left out weaker or unproven ones) that we didnt have at the end of the Championship winning season. If we have pretty much recouped our spend and now have a lot better players in place to get back up and be in a stronger position to stay up next them then that is progression

Players in since end of 22/23 season

Trafford
Pires
Beyer
Esteve
Worrall
Hannibal
Koleosho
Ramsey
Humphreys

These are the players we owned at the end of the Championship winning season who we have lost

Muric
Al Dakhil
Taylor
Barnes
Zaroury
Twine
McNally
Churlinov
Bastien
JBG

I would say that our squad is a massive upgrade from where we finished last season and the biggest disruption is the loss of Kompany rather than the loss of all the player

I think the big issue with this summer has been all of this business happening so late. We were quite blessed after the Dyche/Jackson relegation in that Pace managed to sell McNeil, Cornet, Collins etc relatively early (or it felt that way). It’s been a lot more late on and left us so much to do, it’s also given the perception of a sudden alteration in strategy or financial status. Whether that’s fair or not we just don’t know. The squad being halved needed to happen after last summers excesses, just a shame to see specific ones I thought we could get a year out of leave (specifically Amdouni and Koleosho, though thankfully that seems to no longer be happening). I always expected Odobert and Trafford to go and was more optimistic than I should have been on Berge giving us a year.

Would also probably ‘feel’ a lot better if Ramsey, Beyer, Ekdal weren’t injured, which can’t be helped. Certainly if we keep Koleosho and Foster that’s already a far better position than we thought we were going to be in 3-4 days ago. We need width and goals to come in today though IMO. If we sign Sarmiento, Whittaker and another option up top then it’s as good as anyone could reasonably expect after the last few days.

[Conroysleftfoot]

I think the big issue with this summer has been all of this business happening so late. We were quite blessed after the Dyche/Jackson relegation in that Pace managed to sell McNeil, Cornet, Collins etc relatively early (or it felt that way). It’s been a lot more late on and left us so much to do, it’s also given the perception of a sudden alteration in strategy or financial status. Whether that’s fair or not we just don’t know. The squad being halved needed to happen after last summers excesses, just a shame to see specific ones I thought we could get a year out of leave (specifically Amdouni and Koleosho, though thankfully that seems to no longer be happening). I always expected Odobert and Trafford to go and was more optimistic than I should have been on Berge giving us a year.

Would also probably ‘feel’ a lot better if Ramsey, Beyer, Ekdal weren’t injured, which can’t be helped. Certainly if we keep Koleosho and Foster that’s already a far better position than we thought we were going to be in 3-4 days ago. We need width and goals to come in today though IMO. If we sign Sarmiento, Whittaker and another option up top then it’s as good as anyone could reasonably expect after the last few days.

If they weren't injured Ramsey, Beyer and Edkal would, I'm sure, have been sold.

[ClaretPete001]

It depends where we are at the end of today but lets say nobody else leaves then below are all our players (I've left out weaker or unproven ones) that we didnt have at the end of the Championship winning season. If we have pretty much recouped our spend and now have a lot better players in place to get back up and be in a stronger position to stay up next them then that is progression

Players in since end of 22/23 season

Trafford
Pires
Beyer
Esteve
Worrall
Hannibal
Koleosho
Ramsey
Humphreys

These are the players we owned at the end of the Championship winning season who we have lost

Muric
Al Dakhil
Taylor
Barnes
Zaroury
Twine
McNally
Churlinov
Bastien
JBG

I would say that our squad is a massive upgrade from where we finished last season and the biggest disruption is the loss of Kompany rather than the loss of all the player

A MASSIVE UPGRADE? I think Muric, Al Dakhil, Taylor, Zaroury and JBG are known Championship performers. At the end of the season we may be able to say it but not now.

Trafford - got dropped for Muric last season
Pires - evidence so far not as good as Charlie Taylor who is captaining a PL team at the minute
Beyer - Was with us in the Championship so there has been no like for like replacement
Esteve - Agreed, very good signing
Worrall - Never played in a competitive league game for us
Hannibal - Haven't seen enough really
Koleosho - Agreed best signing we've made for a while
Ramsey - Haven't seen enough in the Championship
Humphreys - Haven't seen enough really

[Devils_Advocate]

I think the big issue with this summer has been all of this business happening so late. We were quite blessed after the Dyche/Jackson relegation in that Pace managed to sell McNeil, Cornet, Collins etc relatively early (or it felt that way). It’s been a lot more late on and left us so much to do, it’s also given the perception of a sudden alteration in strategy or financial status. Whether that’s fair or not we just don’t know. The squad being halved needed to happen after last summers excesses, just a shame to see specific ones I thought we could get a year out of leave (specifically Amdouni and Koleosho, though thankfully that seems to no longer be happening). I always expected Odobert and Trafford to go and was more optimistic than I should have been on Berge giving us a year.

Would also probably ‘feel’ a lot better if Ramsey, Beyer, Ekdal weren’t injured, which can’t be helped. Certainly if we keep Koleosho and Foster that’s already a far better position than we thought we were going to be in 3-4 days ago. We need width and goals to come in today though IMO. If we sign Sarmiento, Whittaker and another option up top then it’s as good as anyone could reasonably expect after the last few days.

I agree the timing of the transfer activity hasnt helped and I think a combination of the Euro's and the manager change added to that plus I think some of the players (probably driven by agents) haven't behaved great.

Two years ago Pope and Collins went early and we knew about Mee and Tarks because they were running their contracts so whilst it was good to know early it made Kompany's job harder to replace them without getting any transfer fee.

McNeil went the day before the first game and Cornet over a week later so the business wasnt all done early and it meant that some of Kompany's key business came after the season started (Benson, Zaroury, Tella & Beyer)

I'd be reluctant to make any appraisal until the window shuts as a lot could still happen but I think there has been a lot of over reaction on here and when the dust settles if you compare us to two years ago and not to where we finished last season I think we will have made some decent progress.

The big risk is that it only works if you keep bouncing back until eventually you manage to stick and if that happens (us, Forrest, Brentford, Fulham) then its happy days and if it doesn't (Norwich, Leeds, Watford) then it can go south quickly, especially for a town and club as small as ours

[Plissken]

I think the big issue with this summer has been all of this business happening so late. We were quite blessed after the Dyche/Jackson relegation in that Pace managed to sell McNeil, Cornet, Collins etc relatively early (or it felt that way). It’s been a lot more late on and left us so much to do, it’s also given the perception of a sudden alteration in strategy or financial status. Whether that’s fair or not we just don’t know.

I touched on this in the vlog. The PL season ended on 19th May. There were 89 days since the end of the PL season and the start of the new one - so 81 for us. The Euros started 14th June, ended 14th July.

PL clubs spent the time between the end of the season and the end of June doing transfers between each other for PSR purposes. Then a lot of their players were at the Euros, so you have them either in the shop window or praying they don't get injured.

Then at some point, everyone needs a holiday.

Basically, that brings us up to the start of August. Which gives everyone 30 days to do ALL of their business. Not only their own incoming and outgoing, but everyone else's interlocks. Players work their way in and out of favour during pre-season and everyone has too big a squad and is restricted to the 25. People can blame ALK as much as they like, there are multiple other clubs involved and they have no control over, say, Spurs coming in and what appears to be either hitting Odoberts release clause or offering a sum of money that was instantly too good to turn down.

Add in appointing Scott Parker on 5th July, but many players away on holiday/Euros and he's got to run the rule over them when they are back and decide quickly how he wants to go forward and you have a recipe for, not chaos, but frenzy.

And of course, what doesn't help is this is all happening in the run up to the most important game of the year for the fans, which for some reason - I suspect to do with us winning the league at their place - is being played on an historically early date.

[ClaretPete001]

I agree the timing of the transfer activity hasnt helped and I think a combination of the Euro's and the manager change added to that plus I think some of the players (probably driven by agents) haven't behaved great.

Two years ago Pope and Collins went early and we knew about Mee and Tarks because they were running their contracts so whilst it was good to know early it made Kompany's job harder to replace them without getting any transfer fee.

McNeil went the day before the first game and Cornet over a week later so the business wasnt all done early and it meant that some of Kompany's key business came after the season started (Benson, Zaroury, Tella & Beyer)

I'd be reluctant to make any appraisal until the window shuts as a lot could still happen but I think there has been a lot of over reaction on here and when the dust settles if you compare us to two years ago and not to where we finished last season I think we will have made some decent progress.

The big risk is that it only works if you keep bouncing back until eventually you manage to stick and if that happens (us, Forrest, Brentford, Fulham) then its happy days and if it doesn't (Norwich, Leeds, Watford) then it can go south quickly, especially for a town and club as small as ours

I agree with the last paragraph. I don't know whether the players have behaved well or not.

I would suspect when we got relegated last time we had players whose contracts were largely paid off.

I think the players we are trying to sell this time are relatively new and are likely to be more complex in terms of what we need to make a sale worthwhile. I would suspect the impending deadline has put an end to any brinkmanship that has been going on.

[Devils_Advocate]

A MASSIVE UPGRADE? I think Muric, Al Dakhil, Taylor, Zaroury and JBG are known Championship performers. At the end of the season we may be able to say it but not now.

Trafford - got dropped for Muric last season
Pires - evidence so far not as good as Charlie Taylor who is captaining a PL team at the minute
Beyer - Was with us in the Championship so there has been no like for like replacement
Esteve - Agreed, very good signing
Worrall - Never played in a competitive league game for us
Hannibal - Haven't seen enough really
Koleosho - Agreed best signing we've made for a while
Ramsey - Haven't seen enough in the Championship
Humphreys - Haven't seen enough really

We had to pay for Beyer out of last summers spend so yes having Beyer as our own player is an improvement on having him as a loan player.

Taylor is not captaining a PL team, he captained the League Cup game and hasnt started any of their league games so he is a squad player. He is also not the future and needs replacing which we have done

There is little difference between Trafford and Muric but Trafford has a much higher ceiling plus we have replaced Muric with Trafford and Hladky so thats an improvement

The only centre halves we owned at the end of the Championship season was McNally, Al Dahkil and Ekdal. We now own Beyer, Worrall, Humphreys, Esteve and Ekfal so that is a big improvement

Hannibal has replaced Cork so if you're telling me that isnt progression then youre crazy

Ramsey is a far more proven and better player that Twine with far more potential so thats an improvement

Like I said you need to look at who we actually owned once the loans ended and who we own no as the club has definitely progresses and we have been able to do so because of the profits we've made on players like Muric, Al Dahkil, Berge, Zaroury and Odobert

[Sleeping Cat]

From what each has done for the club on the pitch (so far)

Impactful Signing
Josh Cullen
Ian Maatsen - LOAN
Arijanet Muric
Vitinho
Manuel Benson
Nathan Tella - LOAN
Taylor Harwood-Bellis - LOAN
Anass Zaroury
Jordan Beyer
Lyle Foster
Dara O'Shea
Luca Koleosho
Jacob Bruun Larsen - LOAN
Sander Berge
Wilson Odobert
Maxime Estève
Lorenz Assignon - LOAN

Medium Impact
Ameen Al-Dakhil
Hjalmar Ekdal
Han-Noah Massengo
David Datro Fofana - LOAN
Zeki Amdouni

Low Impact
Luke McNally
Samuel Bastien
Scott Twine
Michael Obafemi
Hannes Delcroix
Aaron Ramsey
James Trafford
Nathan Redmond
Mike Trésor
Lawrence Vigouroux
Halil Dervişoğlu - LOAN
Darko Churlinov
Denis Franchi
CJ Egan-Riley

[ClaretPete001]

We had to pay for Beyer out of last summers spend so yes having Beyer as our own player is an improvement on having him as a loan player.

Taylor is not captaining a PL team, he captained the League Cup game and hasnt started any of their league games so he is a squad player. He is also not the future and needs replacing which we have done

There is little difference between Trafford and Muric but Trafford has a much higher ceiling plus we have replaced Muric with Trafford and Hladky so thats an improvement

The only centre halves we owned at the end of the Championship season was McNally, Al Dahkil and Ekdal. We now own Beyer, Worrall, Humphreys, Esteve and Ekfal so that is a big improvement

Hannibal has replaced Cork so if you're telling me that isnt progression then youre crazy

Ramsey is a far more proven and better player that Twine with far more potential so thats an improvement

Like I said you need to look at who we actually owned once the loans ended and who we own no as the club has definitely progresses and we have been able to do so because of the profits we've made on players like Muric, Al Dahkil, Berge, Zaroury and Odobert

As I say above, how we value things has to be based on how we perform. If this squad doesn't go up then as you point out in your last post the model is not sustainable because we would likely as not have to sell again.

Jack Cork played almost every game in the Championship winning season and is a proven PL centre-mid. On the pitch in that season he was outstanding with Cullen and Brownhill.

If you are making an esoteric point about ownership and book value then I don't disagree but I'd have to think about it because improving the book value of our players instead of using loanees like Tella, Maatsen and THB needs some thought as to whether it's a good thing or not.

[Devils_Advocate]

As I say above, how we value things has to be based on how we perform. If this squad doesn't go up then as you point out in your last post the model is not sustainable because we would likely as not have to sell again.

Jack Cork played almost every game in the Championship winning season and is a proven PL centre-mid. On the pitch in that season he was outstanding with Cullen and Brownhill.

If you are making an esoteric point about ownership and book value then I don't disagree but I'd have to think about it because improving the book value of our players instead of using loanees like Tella, Maatsen and THB needs some thought as to whether it's a good thing or not.

You have to replace aging players like Cork, Taylor, Barnes, Rodriguez, Bardsley, Pieters, Westwood and that costs money. Out of our 6 main saleable assets Kompany lost two on free's so it was a massive challenge to rebuild the team.

If we'd have spent £100m last year, got relegated and been left with a load of rubbish who werent good enough for the Championship or had to be sold at a loss then that would be a disaster. The fact that we've been able to make so much profit on players we've bought in the last two years means we can keep some of the good players we got last year who should be top Championship players (Beyer, Esteve, Koleosho, Ramsey) and bring in new players who should also be top end Championship players.

Nothing is ever for certain and I agree it is always a risk and Im not trying to argue Pace and Kompany have been right with their approach but as a rational poster on here you must recognise there has been some real overaction and Im just trying to add some balance and show that last season (or this summer) hasnt been a total disaster.

Can we take it into this season and get promoted who knows but if we do I think we will have less to do next summer to try and build a side to stay up than we has to do last summer and I think thats where I see the progression

[scouseclaret]

What is the use of profit if it’s not used to improve the football club though (I.e, infrastructure, squad, debt clearance)? It seems we have raked in £150m ish and achieved nothing but back to where we were 2 years ago (literally and figuratively). Clearly the analytics we use work in terms of finding players who are worth more than we pay, that I agree with as the proof is in the pudding now. It’s the strategy that surrounds that and how it’s supposed to better us that needs work.

To a venture capitalist, profit is the only factor that matters.

[Funkydrummer]

This thread is finally bringing a bit of sense and sensibility and logical, well
thought out reasoning to the clubs activities in past few weeks/days.

The majority of contributors have clearly made some effort to collate and analyse
the information that is out in the public domain.

Unfortunately our perception of the situation has been tainted by the early derby game.

We'll be reet, I think we will have too much for them when the chips are down on Saturday.

Enjoy the ride everybody, and trust the professionals to do their job.

[NottsClaret]

Way too many names there for me to try and make sense of if it's been a disaster or not. Feels like one, but we'll see when the dust settles I guess.

The chaos of the last few weeks is probably all the more stark because we got used to a situation where you could miss a season or two, go on the Turf and it would still be the same lads playing for us. I'm on tomorrow and I've no idea who's playing, or even in the squad.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We’ve got players leaving for actual money instead of for free

Profits are being made

Cheaper players coming in, who will hopefully grow, get us into the PL and eventually get sold for a profit again

We’re definitely better off than 2 seasons ago before Kompany started buying in lads

[Bin Ont Turf]

It was like giving a tenner to a kid in a sweet shop.

[Marney&Mee]

How much profit have we made tho ?

[fidelcastro]

How much profit have we made tho ?

According to the experts on here, who are apparently privy to the finer details of club transfers, anything between 100 and 140 million.

So I'm going for 120!

[Bin Ont Turf]

Profit isn't going to score against the Bar Stewards tomorrow.

[Rowls]

The large numbers of incoming and outgoings might be more of an ALK thing than a Kompany thing.

Whatever it is, it's too high. The risks are huge.

One big transfer window where we mess it up and we're screwed - financially and on the pitch.

I've got confidence in their statistical models, the signings we've made have largely been good quality. The problem lies in the aspects that don't appear in stats: things that Dyche was very keen on screening like attitude, personality, character etc.

I hope and pray there's plenty of lessons being learnt in the boardroom.

[ClaretPete001]

You have to replace aging players like Cork, Taylor, Barnes, Rodriguez, Bardsley, Pieters, Westwood and that costs money. Out of our 6 main saleable assets Kompany lost two on free's so it was a massive challenge to rebuild the team.

If we'd have spent £100m last year, got relegated and been left with a load of rubbish who werent good enough for the Championship or had to be sold at a loss then that would be a disaster. The fact that we've been able to make so much profit on players we've bought in the last two years means we can keep some of the good players we got last year who should be top Championship players (Beyer, Esteve, Koleosho, Ramsey) and bring in new players who should also be top end Championship players.

Nothing is ever for certain and I agree it is always a risk and Im not trying to argue Pace and Kompany have been right with their approach but as a rational poster on here you must recognise there has been some real overaction and Im just trying to add some balance and show that last season (or this summer) hasnt been a total disaster.

Can we take it into this season and get promoted who knows but if we do I think we will have less to do next summer to try and build a side to stay up than we has to do last summer and I think thats where I see the progression

You make a good point it's just a bit more nuanced than I'm used to on here so I don't disagree I was just confused as to the perspective you were coming from...!

I predicted all along that this was going to happen. So, it's no surprise to me.

My only caveat is that I don't know the new players that well. If those players prove to be half decent then yes we won't lose the rump of the PL squad (Cork, Barnes Jay Rod etc) as players because they were simply too old for the PL and we won't have to buy 3 or 4 loanees.

In the end , that was what undid us last time - we had the best part of a squad to replace due to age and loans.

So yes. Fair point...!

[ClaretPete001]

According to the experts on here, who are apparently privy to the finer details of club transfers, anything between 100 and 140 million.

So I'm going for 120!

Again it's nothing like that we've spent £40 million Euros so it's more like £50 - £60 million we've made and that isn't profit because you'd have to take off agents fees and what is left on their contracts.

[fidelcastro]

Again it's nothing like that we've spent £40 million Euros so it's more like £50 - £60 million we've made and that isn't profit because you'd have to take off agents fees and what is left on their contracts.

Oh... Worse than I thought.

We'll have to sell a few more then!

[bfcmik]

Again it's nothing like that we've spent £40 million Euros so it's more like £50 - £60 million we've made and that isn't profit because you'd have to take off agents fees and what is left on their contracts.

So it's £100-140 million income less spending of 40 million Euros/£35 million which is £65m - £105m million 'profit'. Then to make it sound even worse you bring up the revenue costs that need to be considered. Revenue isn't taken from your capital receipts.

Of course, everything goes into the same melting pot at the end of the day so all money is essentially both revenue and capital at different times