England match

[Aclaret]

To be fair, the first half was better than what Southgate had served up for a while

The second half has been crap, though.

Yeah, was going to post the same. Enjoyed the 1st half, game was over at ht, just didn't happen 2nd half.

[boatshed bill]

Have we reached the point where England are better without Kane?

almost certainly, but we would need a slight change in tactics without him...
not necessarily a bad thing.

[BurnleyFC]

Carsley seems to like the Bielsa viewpoint on the touchline.

[ElectroClaret]

....game was over at ht, just didn't happen 2nd half.

That's probably because all the players (including the Irish) are thinking about their clubs league games next weekend and not wanting injuries. Nowt at stake.

However, had that been a Euros or WC game, England would have got 4 or 5.

[Aclaret]

That's probably because all the players (including the Irish) are thinking about their clubs league games next weekend and not wanting injuries. Nowt at stake.

That could easily be the case EC, if not for the fact there's another game midweek.

[bobinho]

Have we reached the point where England are better without Kane?

Undoubtedly for me. He was so awful in the euros, it was like playing with ten men at times.
Thing is, by moving to Saudi, Toney has effectively ruled himself out… how can you prove how good you are by week in week out playing players who are a few leagues below your current level?

We need a rethink up top.

[ElectroClaret]

And they'll take it easy in that, as well.
You watch.

[Aclaret]

And they'll take it easy in that, as well.
You watch.

...v Finland ...every chance

[warksclaret]

Have we reached the point where England are better without Kane?

We have seen a steady decline in his England performances since the start of the last Euros. Today he was incredibly quiet-time to start planning his imminent replacement

[Tw@]

Has anybody else seen the pictures of the pitch invader in England strip at the lineup before the game today?

[Aclaret]

Has anybody else seen the pictures of the pitch invader in England strip at the lineup before the game today?

It's the serial invader who likes to get noticed in England sporting events.....

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just play Palmer as a false nine like he did at times for Chelsea last season.

That kid is a special talent

[Bin Ont Turf]

It was pretty much same old same old.

A brilliant second goal, but we scored some brilliant goals when managed by the dull one.

Is it boredom or a lack of fitness why we can't get a good full 90 minutes?

[boatshed bill]

It was pretty much same old same old.

A brilliant second goal, but we scored some brilliant goals when managed by the dull one.

Is it boredom or a lack of fitness why we can't get a good full 90 minutes?

Complacency, I suspect.

[Jakubclaret]

Complacency, I suspect.

Or people never being happy if ever a poisoned chalice ever existed it sure does for next appointment.

[dermotdermot]

The manager is obviously addicted to strepsils. I saw him taking at least a couple. They were even the originals that are hard to get in supermarkets.

[timshorts]

Has anybody else seen the pictures of the pitch invader in England strip at the lineup before the game today?

Do you mean old man Harry kane?

[gtclaret]

I started watching just as England had scored the second goal.I thought it was dull just like Southgate throughout,so from the comments I assume that England were much better beforehand.

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

Have we reached the point where England are better without Kane?

Im praying he gives him his 100th cap v Finland on Tue and then says ‘thanks for what you did’

Sadly tho, until we get to a point where he’s a sub coming on for the last 10 mins……I think the end isn’t in sight.

I’d decided we should have ditched him for good in the Euro’s.

[taio]

Im praying he gives him his 100th cap v Finland on Tue and then says ‘thanks for what you did’

Sadly tho, until we get to a point where he’s a sub coming on for the last 10 mins……I think the end isn’t in sight.

I’d decided we should have ditched him for good in the Euro’s.

I'm sure and hope he'll continue for at least a couple of years. By far our best striker.

[Targetman]

There was quite a bit of trouble after the game with mainly young Irish lads taunting England fans with songs about the death of Queen Elizabeth.

A lot of the English had been drinking for much of the day and it didn't take long for them to retaliate. Most of the police, including several on horseback, were kept busy with skirmishes going on mainly at a bottleneck between 3 or 4 pubs and bars.

[Loyalclaret]

There was quite a bit of trouble after the game with mainly young Irish lads taunting England fans with songs about the death of Queen Elizabeth.

A lot of the English had been drinking for much of the day and it didn't take long for them to retaliate. Most of the police, including several on horseback, were kept busy with skirmishes going on mainly at a bottleneck between 3 or 4 pubs and bars.

Hope it was a good trip Targetman.
The young English involved looked like doughnuts, fronting the Irish with phones in hand.

[edison]

There was quite a bit of trouble after the game with mainly young Irish lads taunting England fans with songs about the death of Queen Elizabeth.

A lot of the English had been drinking for much of the day and it didn't take long for them to retaliate. Most of the police, including several on horseback, were kept busy with skirmishes going on mainly at a bottleneck between 3 or 4 pubs and bars.

On my way to the match, a load of fans were singing offensive songs outside Slattery's, but I think the trouble wasn't that widespread. Always just a few numpties ruining it for others. As you say, there's a few pubs there near the railway bridge and that's where cops were most visible.

From an Ireland perspective, we were terrible. Men against boys. We stood off England and let them play. Could have been much worse than 2. I saw that Pickford made a save but cannot for the life of me recall that

[edison]

Annoyingly, and predictably, Rice and Grealish were the best players, and I thought Gordon was good as well. Only Ogbene tried for Ireland. Towards the end we had 3 ex-Clarets in our back 4. Brady is probably done at international level, probably has been for a while to be honest

[Targetman]

Hope it was a good trip Targetman.
The young English involved looked like doughnuts, fronting the Irish with phones in hand.

Yes it was a good trip, my first visit to the Relublic of Ireland. We saw no trouble of any kind around the city centre, just on the route from the away fans exit at the end of Bath Avenue.

Just a point about the away end behind the goal, the concourse is incredibly small with just a tiny toilet block, and the view from our seats behind the corner flag was obstructed by a huge concrete pillar.

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

I'm sure and hope he'll continue for at least a couple of years. By far our best striker.

We’ll just have to disagree I’m afraid. He’s as slow as an oil tanker these days.

Much rather have Toney or Watkins. Much more mobile.

My prime example would be where kane did nowt in 95 mins. Toney comes on and we’re 2-1 up in 120 seconds. Goa and assist was it?

He’s absolutely finished. Too many don’t realise the team is more important than the individual.

We won the world cup without our best striker at the time.

I could argue that Gordons a better player than Foden if you look at how the team played on Sat.

We may both agree (or not) that Foden is the better player. But Gordon is undoubtedly the best fit. Therefore the ‘better’ player to be in the team

Its the same in reverse for Kane. No matter how good you want to tell me he is, he’s sadly as much use as a chocolate fireguard in this side

[MT03ALG]

It seems a little like the Ronaldo at Portugal situation, has been a great player but probably needs to pass the torch but nobody dare tell him.

Ronaldo of the 901st. goal v Scotland fame ? (N.B. Not all 901 goals were against Scotland )

[CoolClaret]

We’ll just have to disagree I’m afraid. He’s as slow as an oil tanker these days.

Much rather have Toney or Watkins. Much more mobile.

My prime example would be where kane did nowt in 95 mins. Toney comes on and we’re 2-1 up in 120 seconds. Goa and assist was it?

He’s absolutely finished. Too many don’t realise the team is more important than the individual.

We won the world cup without our best striker at the time.

I could argue that Gordons a better player than Foden if you look at how the team played on Sat.

We may both agree (or not) that Foden is the better player. But Gordon is undoubtedly the best fit. Therefore the ‘better’ player to be in the team

Its the same in reverse for Kane. No matter how good you want to tell me he is, he’s sadly as much use as a chocolate fireguard in this side

Totally agree with all of this and for me, Kane has always gone missing once the level steps up against better teams/players.

My unpopular opinion is that England would have been a better side with Vardy leading the line, now it's Watkins/Toney for sure.

[Vegas Claret]

Ronaldo of the 901st. goal v Scotland fame ? (N.B. Not all 901 goals were against Scotland )

yeah, came on as a sub. Can't start every game - same should apply to Kane for England imho

[Tribesmen]

Ahhh well , not much i can say really as we were outclassed .
The first 10 mins was a great atmosphere but once England scored it was game over .

Talking to a lad from Sheffield before the game in a pub lots of English mixed with Irish which was great to see .

Hummm roll on Tuesday at Lansdowne

[derryclaret]

Ahhh well , not much i can say really as we were outclassed .
The first 10 mins was a great atmosphere but once England scored it was game over .

Talking to a lad from Sheffield before the game in a pub lots of English mixed with Irish which was great to see .

Hummm roll on Tuesday at Lansdowne

Sobering 90 minutes wasn't it Tribesmen, back down tomorrow for Greece, should have a better idea where we are then

[Tribesmen]

Sobering 90 minutes wasn't it Tribesmen, back down tomorrow for Greece, should have a better idea where we are then

I agree with you on Greece .