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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by It Is What It Is » Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:03 pm

Surely when the new 100,000 seater at Old Trafford is complete...we must be competing for more England internationals there.
It's just another grotesque example of the north/south devide.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by It Is What It Is » Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:11 pm

I can't be bothered doing the logistics but I would say that there are more Clubs in the EPL, Championship and leagues 1 and 2 a lot nearer Manchester than London.
So share the Internationals up North.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:27 pm

Wembley is all about the FA paying for it.
It's the sole reason semi finals were moved from neutral grounds, so that Wembleys revenue could be increased.

It stunk then, it still stinks now.

While having a Northern venue would be better, moving to any new stadia linked to Utd would have the same affect. Fans paying for their stadium.

A brand new stadium central to the country would be better for the fans, but that leaves the FA with another new stadium to pay for, and an old one that is under used.

It was a pigs ear from the beginning.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by JarrowClaret » Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:47 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:29 pm
Situation:

Playing a team where you're expected to be 50/50 with or lose the possession battle and may need to counter at pace, or get more people behind the ball out of possession and have a striker that can run the channels, compete for 50/50s and fashion half chances for themselves and their teammates.

Who are you picking?
Kane every time not a finger like him and qualified for England and I would argue not many better passes of a ball either. Clearly he hasn’t got the pace of old so he either needs players with the pace to run past him or not come as deep as he tends to do or at least not as often.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by JarrowClaret » Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:47 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:29 pm
Situation:

Playing a team where you're expected to be 50/50 with or lose the possession battle and may need to counter at pace, or get more people behind the ball out of possession and have a striker that can run the channels, compete for 50/50s and fashion half chances for themselves and their teammates.

Who are you picking?
Kane every time not a finger like him and qualified for England and I would argue not many better passes of a ball either. Clearly he hasn’t got the pace of old so he either needs players with the pace to run past him or not come as deep as he tends to do or at least not as often.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by JarrowClaret » Wed Sep 11, 2024 3:14 pm

I can categorically confirm that I know nothing about Harry Kanes finger I meant finisher!

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:31 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:47 pm
Kane every time not a finger like him and qualified for England and I would argue not many better passes of a ball either. Clearly he hasn’t got the pace of old so he either needs players with the pace to run past him or not come as deep as he tends to do or at least not as often.
Then the same problems emerge. It was Finland at home. He's a lethal finisher and a brilliant passer of the ball - no question, but when you're up against it and the level goes up imo he struggles against the top centre halves/defensive midfielders.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by Myk » Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:38 am

A lot of “fans” were waiting in line and scanning their ticket for the game then going back out of the queue to leave.

Everyone in London who wants the caps to go to tournaments seem to just buy tickets to scan at the turnstiles and not bother with the game.

On top of last train up north being about 10pm, if you aren’t driving you have to leave about half time to get back up north most times.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by Goliath » Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:46 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:31 pm
Then the same problems emerge. It was Finland at home. He's a lethal finisher and a brilliant passer of the ball - no question, but when you're up against it and the level goes up imo he struggles against the top centre halves/defensive midfielders.
It's only a couple of years since he scored 2 at City and put in one of the best centre forward displays I've seen in probably the last 20 years.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:53 am

Goliath wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:46 am
It's only a couple of years since he scored 2 at City and put in one of the best centre forward displays I've seen in probably the last 20 years.
How many performances like that? Fabulous footballer no doubt, but not as effective when up against it, imo.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by JarrowClaret » Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:58 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:31 pm
Then the same problems emerge. It was Finland at home. He's a lethal finisher and a brilliant passer of the ball - no question, but when you're up against it and the level goes up imo he struggles against the top centre halves/defensive midfielders.
Is he the problem or is he trying to make up for other player’s inadequacies? I agree he needs to adjust or the tactics need to change a bit so he doesn’t get as deep as often in games. If we had another player capable of playing the role that Kane plays even half as well it would be possible to rotate more I guess, but we don’t have any.

When he is gone we will ALL be moaning about the team not being as good without him, so I don’t see the point in speeding that up!

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by MT03ALG » Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:06 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:35 pm
Is it not better for the national team, and football as a whole in this country, that the FA generates money?


The FA might generate money but very little comes down to the Grassroots, ESFA, LSFA, etc.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:27 am

MT03ALG wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:06 am
The FA might generate money but very little comes down to the Grassroots, ESFA, LSFA, etc.
But does it not stand to reason that if the FA generated less money, then even less would trickle down to grassroots etc?
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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by MT03ALG » Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:58 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:27 am
But does it not stand to reason that if the FA generated less money, then even less would trickle down to grassroots etc?
If that might be possible.....

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by Goliath » Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:25 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:53 am
How many performances like that? Fabulous footballer no doubt, but not as effective when up against it, imo.
Most players aren't as effective against top opposition unless they are in the best team. I imagine he has as good a record against the top teams as anyone.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by Targetman » Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:19 pm

bumba wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:16 am
Have you ever done the ground tour? It's a dump inside and surrounding areas.
It's not a stadium to be proud of
Thats just silly! Yes I've done the ground tour so I'm surprised by your comment.

The surrounding areas of the stadium are anything but a dump with many high rise, upmarket appartments having been built on all sides of the stadium over the last few years.

There is also a designer shopping outlet in close proximity to the turnstiles along with various bars and eating places alongside modern or refurbished hotels.

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Re: Empty Wembley

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:33 pm

Goliath wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:25 pm
Most players aren't as effective against top opposition unless they are in the best team. I imagine he has as good a record against the top teams as anyone.
I don't agree with that at all.

Some players have the knack of carrying their team and performing in crunch games. Kane has always been in good teams with good players.

He's great at what he does, in certain situations, his lack of athleticism negatively impacts the side. He couldn't have carried Leicester to the title like Vardy did (as an example) but can also do things that Vardy cannot.

Just think when England are expected to be up against it a bit more and need someone who can win duels against defenders then he should be playing deeper or off the pitch.

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