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City charges

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:25 pm

Are they going to get away with it?

If they do maybe they will get sued by Everton et al.

What do you think?

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Re: City charges

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:27 pm

Everton threatening to sue anyone is irony at its finest.

I hope they get punted into non-league.
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Re: City charges

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:35 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:27 pm
Everton threatening to sue anyone is irony at its finest.

I hope they get punted into non-league.
It will make the prem much more interesting if they are relegated a few divisions. Can’t stand them.

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Re: City charges

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:36 pm

Manchester City Will imo remain permanently in the Premier Division — maybe a fine that will not affect their super rich owners

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Re: City charges

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:37 pm

Likely to go on for years without a conclusive result.

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Re: City charges

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:39 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:37 pm
Likely to go on for years without a conclusive result.
This is what will happen, the appeal for anything will take years, then the appeal to the appeal will be taken to a higher body and that will take years etc etc etc

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Re: City charges

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:42 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:39 pm
This is what will happen, the appeal for anything will take years, then the appeal to the appeal will be taken to a higher body and that will take years etc etc etc
A bung will happen long before then.
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Re: City charges

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:44 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:42 pm
A bung will happen long before then.
This independent secret panel will never get bought :lol:

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Re: City charges

Post by taio » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:03 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:39 pm
This is what will happen, the appeal for anything will take years, then the appeal to the appeal will be taken to a higher body and that will take years etc etc etc
It seems it can't be taken to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. They would have the right to appeal to an independent panel, so it shouldn't drag on for years because there are limitations to where it can be escalated.

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Re: City charges

Post by MT03ALG » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:07 pm

Many people will make loads of money including, of course, the FA, the Premier League, etc.
Wembley will paid off in an instance, if not already paid off

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Re: City charges

Post by bobinho » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:14 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:25 pm
Are they going to get away with it?

If they do maybe they will get sued by Everton et al.

What do you think?
Yes. They will throw BILLIONS at it and walk away.

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Re: City charges

Post by MT03ALG » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:24 pm

Alledegly/Apparently the City Barrister is their highest paid 'Player' :roll: :roll:

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Re: City charges

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:24 pm

On the face of it it is difficult to see how city are going be exonerated. I think most people are expecting some, if not all, charges will be proven. I hope that they are and we can all watch them struggle to equate cheating with success.

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Re: City charges

Post by Shaggy » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:50 pm

The thing most people are confusing is the nature of the charges are completely different to the likes of Everton.

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Re: City charges

Post by claretburns » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:53 pm

When City start bringing issues such as the Premier League are being racist against their owners it shows they don't have much hope in being found not guilty on the charges.

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Re: City charges

Post by Woonderbah » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:55 pm

If the charges are proven then I hope the punishment is well thought through.. as I see it, relegation just punishes other teams in whatever division they end up.. it effectively creates one less promotion place to play for.. so I hope any punishment is based on exclusion from the Champions League but expect it will be a pointless fine and points deduction

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Re: City charges

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:56 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:50 pm
The thing most people are confusing is the nature of the charges are completely different to the likes of Everton.
Am I right in thinking that they were paying players and Mancini off the books or something in the early days of this takeover and inflating money gained from sponsorship deals through sister companies?

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Re: City charges

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:00 pm

Woonderbah wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:55 pm
If the charges are proven then I hope the punishment is well thought through.. as I see it, relegation just punishes other teams in whatever division they end up.. it effectively creates one less promotion place to play for.. so I hope any punishment is based on exclusion from the Champions League but expect it will be a pointless fine and points deduction
I think if the financial doping is as wide spread as has been alledged then whatever money they showed in their books should be deducted by psr rules in whatever division they are hopefully relegated to so they have to sell all their best players to basically start again from where they were before the cheating started.

I don’t believe they will be found guilty but I’m crossing my fingers tightly.

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Re: City charges

Post by Woonderbah » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:02 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:50 pm
The thing most people are confusing is the nature of the charges are completely different to the likes of Everton.
I think most of the charges relate to City being uncooperative and not providing relevant accounts.. the truth must be much worse if they're concealing it

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Re: City charges

Post by GetIntoEm » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:37 pm

The premier league are not going to kick out the reigning champions and our most recent champs league winners. Not gonna happen

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Re: City charges

Post by Spike » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:15 pm

City have a track record for having the best lawyers

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Re: City charges

Post by Bosscat » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:45 pm

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Re: City charges

Post by MT03ALG » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:52 pm

Looking forward to Barnoldswick Town v Manchester City. Should be a sell-out :) :)
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Re: City charges

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:08 pm

Not sure the Premier league can relegate clubs as they don't own the lower leagues, so would have to get their permission.

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Re: City charges

Post by ICL » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:08 pm
Not sure the Premier league can relegate clubs as they don't own the lower leagues, so would have to get their permission.
Yes. PL can expel City from the league, but not put them in the EFL. City would have to apply for entry in to the EFL. Can’t see either scenario personally.

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Re: City charges

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:53 pm

I reckon the reason that it's taken so long to be heard is
their lawyers can claim that the prosecution is "time barred"
and therefore there is no case to answer.

Mind you, they will drag it out a while and pretend to suddenly
discover this "flaw" !!!!!! The stench around this case is unpalatable
at the very best.

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Re: City charges

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:01 pm

Certainly be interesting. Either City get the rule book thrown at them or the Premier League may as well pack up pretending it’s a sporting competition and concentrate on being the Harlem Globetrotters equivalent of a football league.

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Re: City charges

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:38 am

taio wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:03 pm
It seems it can't be taken to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. They would have the right to appeal to an independent panel, so it shouldn't drag on for years because there are limitations to where it can be escalated.
I believe so for CAS, they will tie it up somewhere somehow for sure. They've hardly acted out the 'not guilty' in a way that suggests their innocence, it's going to be an interesting watch for sure.

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Re: City charges

Post by Guppyspotter » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:01 am

A deal will be done to avoid dragging it out for years.

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Re: City charges

Post by California Colner » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:38 am

Let’s face it!
City will not be found guilty of any charges🤦‍♂️
They will be found guilty of lesser charges and after appeal will be fined 500 pounds 😵💫

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Re: City charges

Post by clarets1978 » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:47 am

GetIntoEm wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:37 pm
The premier league are not going to kick out the reigning champions and our most recent champs league winners. Not gonna happen
They said that about Rangers and Juventus.......
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Re: City charges

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:54 am

Funkydrummer wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:53 pm
I reckon the reason that it's taken so long to be heard is
their lawyers can claim that the prosecution is "time barred"
and therefore there is no case to answer.

Mind you, they will drag it out a while and pretend to suddenly
discover this "flaw" !!!!!! The stench around this case is unpalatable
at the very best.
It’s not a prosecution it’s a private hearing.

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Re: City charges

Post by Plissken » Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:01 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:38 am
I believe so for CAS, they will tie it up somewhere somehow for sure. They've hardly acted out the 'not guilty' in a way that suggests their innocence, it's going to be an interesting watch for sure.
The reason it has taken so long is because City have been tying it up for as long as possible. The CAS stuff was one of their arguments, that the PL isn't the final arbiter.

And City haven't necessarily acted this way because they are innocent, they've acted this way because they can. The PL is about to find out for a second time that some clubs consider themselves above the league and out of any rules.

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Re: City charges

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:41 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:53 pm
I reckon the reason that it's taken so long to be heard is
their lawyers can claim that the prosecution is "time barred"
and therefore there is no case to answer.

Mind you, they will drag it out a while and pretend to suddenly
discover this "flaw" !!!!!! The stench around this case is unpalatable
at the very best.
Premier league doesn’t have a time limit
UEFA did, of 5yrs I think it was
The evidence uefa couldn’t use will be used by the premier league

All city are doing is trying to discredit the evidence etc

They haven’t denied what they’ve allegedly done

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Re: City charges

Post by morninbob » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:02 pm

If Leicester can get off , then so can city.

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