Turf Moor sensory room

[ksrclaret]

Gender dysphoria? This is just deliberate trolling now.

It’s just incredible that someone would wish to do this to a thread to celebrate something so positive.

[ClaretAndJew]

Hi again Stevie

I'll be delighted if, in 10 - 15 years time the children with SEN who had access to initiatives like the sensory room turn out to be the happiest and most socially adept generation of autistic people ever because of all the allowances made to them as children.

My fear is that if too many allowances are made for them, and expectations are not set high enough for them, that the opposite will be true.

You talk of "experts" but just how long have 'sensory rooms' even been around? Are there any studies on the long term effects these have for their users?

It's not long ago that "experts" were saying that SSRIs were a "cure" for depression. Depression was when your brain "went wrong" with a chemical imbalance. SSRIs cured this. We now know this is codswollop. They can provide relief for depression but they are completely inefffective in terms of providing any long term help.

Ditto the "experts" on treating adolescents with gender disphoria. Not that long ago the "experts" were saying that "gender-affirming" care was the solution to this. We now know from the Cass report there was no robust evidence for this whatsoever and it had been pushed forward by political gender activists, resulting in the sterilisation and chemical castration of many gay adolescents who will suffer the consequences (eg. infertility, lack of sexual function, invasion surgical procedures including genital mutilation and unnecessary breast removal and osteoporosis etc) for the rest of their lives.

I will genuinely change my opinion if and when we have real and genuine data to show that this approach to nurturing autistic children / children with SEN is working well.

You cite that sensory rooms won’t work then suggest there’s no evidence or studies been done to know either way. Which is it?

[Rowls]

I’ll repeat that you have railroaded and ruined this thread. You just didn’t have the common decency to stay away from it.

I read tonight about the lady Bev sending some shirts and how that is such a positive for this board. Your contribution to this thread is just the opposite.

I'll repeat one final time too - This is only "positive" if you believe it will help the children in question.

For those of us who believe it will inhibit these children it is "negative".

The thread about Bev and the shirts was fantastic. Wouldn't it be lovely if the world was a simple place where all actions were are easily "positive" or "negative" as that. Sadly the world isnt like that.

Google informs me that the phrase, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" was first used in the 12th century. There is a good reason that certain truisms stay around for so long - it's because they're true.

[Pearcey]

What a great thing for the club to do. We adopted our kids and my lad has sensory issues, which we believe was due to pre birth trauma. Every case is different but if this enables kids or adults to enjoy a game of football without harm or upset then it should be celebrated. Well done BFC!

[Rowls]

You cite that sensory rooms won’t work then suggest there’s no evidence or studies been done to know either way. Which is it?

I don't "state" that at all.

I've said that raising children with SEN is a balancing act between the allowances we give them and the standards and expectations we set them.

I've stated that putting a sensory room in an environment like a high level football ground is leaning far too far towards coddling children with SEN. This is *my opinion*. The vast majority will grow out of the distress that makes attending overwhelming, so the point of people like myself is that the provision of this room will simply inhibits the development of the children in question.

[ClaretAndJew]

I don't "state" that at all.

I've said that raising children with SEN is a balancing act between the allowances we give them and the standards and expectations we set them.

I've stated that putting a sensory room in an environment like a high level football ground is leaning far too far towards coddling children with SEN. This is *my opinion*. The vast majority will grow out of the distress that makes attending overwhelming, so the point of people like myself is that the provision of this room will simply inhibits the development of the children in question.

How does a room that allows for emotional regulation inhibit the development of someone? And also, those who are already fully developed, what is wrong with them using it to regulate?

[Enola Gay]

Never mind wondering about whether there'll be enough demand for the sensory room - if it's the one place in the ground you can be guaranteed not to sit next to Rowls there'll be a waiting list.

[Rowls]

Anyway, I'm off to bed now so those of you who don't like my opinion can breathe a sigh of relief.

Thank you to everybody who has engaged on this topic in good faith. Thank you to those who haven't wilfully misrepresented me or even misquoted me.

It's good to recognise the clubs intentions on this but I'll keep repeating - my fear is that this will only inhibit children's development and risk exposing them vulnerable children to an experience they might find overwhelming.

[Stevie Morgan]

Wasn't actually me talking of "experts" Rowls, but at least we have you here to explain why all these parents are wrong because of your "fear". Based on what exactly? A feeling? Your insidious world view? Your pleasure in defending a left field view whatever the subject, regardless of your lack of understanding?

Your stance is disrespectful to those with family members who would benefit from this facility and who are far more qualified than you to comment on.

[Pearcey]

I don't "state" that at all.

I've said that raising children with SEN is a balancing act between the allowances we give them and the standards and expectations we set them.

I've stated that putting a sensory room in an environment like a high level football ground is leaning far too far towards coddling children with SEN. This is *my opinion*. The vast majority will grow out of the distress that makes attending overwhelming, so the point of people like myself is that the provision of this room will simply inhibits the development of the children in question.

Do you work in this environment? Do you have SEN kids? What are you basing your opinion on? Are you saying if you keep exposing an Autistic person to the thing that stresses them, they will eventually be ok with it?

[ClaretTony]

Rowls - either stay off this thread or I’ll stop you. I have better things to do than having to deal with all the reports I’m receiving, every one relating to your posts on this thread.

Other posters - please don’t feed Rowls

[ClaretAndJew]

Just to add

Sensory rooms are in a lot of special educational provisions. They work. They allow a young person to become less overwhelmed and regulated in order to engage in lessons.

Schools are where children in the community go.

Turf Moor is part of the community.

It really is as simple as that.

[Rowls]

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[MrTechno]

I normally don’t contribute to much to this board unless it’s about the team but I thought I’d add my view on this. My 7 yr old has SEN needs. In the first few months he went to school used to wear ear defenders at school, slowly but surely he removed them and became more confident. He used to be on the periphery of everything, but slowly he became more involved and started making friends. At the start of year 1 he started getting into football and became engrossed in it, wanting to play it, watch it, know abut it, discuss it. So in the promotion season I decided to take him on his first match, stupidly I took him in lower block 3 of the longside, I thought there he could see the players and maybe get a picture with one or two as they came off from warming up. However when the match started everyone was stood up, he couldn’t see and it was pretty raucous, after about 15 mins we had to leave.

Over the years he’s become more confident, he’s recently joined a football team and has come on leaps and bounds. He wouldn’t now need the facility being offered but this can allow children to watch the game, give them a taste of turf moor and maybe allows them to go onto the next step (general admittance) then that’s a good thing surely? I understand that we need to help children develop and ‘remove’ some of the help they get but this can be a gradual process, this room might be part of that process. Rowels I think you actually made an interesting points a couple further up about the need to help develop SEN children’s skills to experience things but saying “I disagree with it entirely” OP can come across as offensive.

[MrTopTier]

I normally don’t contribute to much to this board unless it’s about the team but I thought I’d add my view on this. My 7 yr old has SEN needs. In the first few months he went to school used to wear ear defenders at school, slowly but surely he removed them and became more confident. He used to be on the periphery of everything, but slowly he became more involved and started making friends. At the start of year 1 he started getting into football and became engrossed in it, wanting to play it, watch it, know abut it, discuss it. So in the promotion season I decided to take him on his first match, stupidly I took him in lower block 3 of the longside, I thought there he could see the players and maybe get a picture with one or two as they came off from warming up. However when the match started everyone was stood up, he couldn’t see and it was pretty raucous, after about 15 mins we had to leave.

Over the years he’s become more confident, he’s recently joined a football team and has come on leaps and bounds. He wouldn’t now need the facility being offered but this can allow children to watch the game, give them a taste of turf moor and maybe allows them to go onto the next step (general admittance) then that’s a good thing surely? I understand that we need to help children develop and ‘remove’ some of the help they get but this can be a gradual process, this room might be part of that process. Rowels I think you actually made an interesting points a couple further up about the need to help develop SEN children’s skills to experience things but saying “I disagree with it entirely” OP can come across as offensive.

Excellent post. Glad to hear the perspective of the SEN community. I hope your son continues to thrive.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

I don't really understand the arguments against this. No decent person would question why the club has spent money on things like ramps, lifts and the viewing platforms in the corners of the ground, which allows wheelchair users to access the Turf.

We should not treat other disabilities differently. Make the game accessible for everyone.

[Walton]

Sounds like a good idea, and I'll be looking into it for my daughter.

I've taken her to a couple of the women's games because it's easier to manage in a sparse crowd, and have been hoping for a tame Saturday cup game for the kids to have their first introduction to a proper game.

This takes away that literal luck of the draw scenario I've been banking on, and as someone who wants my SEN child to experience the excitement of a day at the Turf, seems to be the perfect opportunity for her to get a taste for it.

Clearly the usual suspects think that kids like her should be experiencing games on TV from the comfort of an asylum somewhere.

[quoonbeatz]

This is brilliant. My mate has used the one at Anfield a few times with his son and it’s the difference between them staying at the match for 20 mins and 90.

[Papabendi]

Brilliant from the club.

The rest on here you can keep.

[Papabendi]

Never mind wondering about whether there'll be enough demand for the sensory room - if it's the one place in the ground you can be guaranteed not to sit next to Rowls there'll be a waiting list.

Defo

[Suratclaret]

Brilliant! This is a first class move by Burnley FC. The more inclusive the club can become can only enhance its status as a community club.

[helmclaret]

Seems like a great move by the club. TM is a place that should make people feel welcome.

There are no words for people who have a problem with something like this.

[Jakubclaret]

Be comforted that those in favour are in the significant majority and those against are Rowls and Jakub Claret. Happy bedfellows.

I'm not against it in the slightest. If it helps people it's good I just think things like that - sensory rooms are specialised environments & people seeking such environments wouldn't necessarily visit football grounds in order to access. But going off people on this thread saying they'll use it I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong if the idea is successful with a strong uptake & not a fading novelty hardly used.

[SalouClaret]

I can't tell if Rowls is really good at trolling, or just an absolute arsehole. I imagine the latter.

Great move by the club and will be a massive help to a hell of a lot of families.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Excellent from the club.

Quite telling the 2 most outspoken on this are 2 of the biggest critics against equality in life in general.

[Row x]

I can't tell if Rowls is really good at trolling, or just an absolute arsehole. I imagine the latter.

Great move by the club and will be a massive help to a hell of a lot of families.

The thing is, if he's doing it to get a reaction, he's winning when you start being abusive to him, best just to ignore.

[Boss Hogg]

There’s no doubt sensory rooms benefit some people hugely. Whilst I initially posted I thought it was an odd place to have one I think it’s also odd to suggest they don’t help some people. I am beginning to think of match day scenarios where it could help families. I’ve really seen it benefit family and friends with Dementia . At the end of the day if it’s helping people that’s the main thing.

[GetIntoEm]

another great addition to the club, well done Burnley.

Grown men/women melting over a sensory room, i've seen it all now. pathetic of the highest order.

[HurstGrangeClaret]

I have worked with adults near the top end of the Autism spectrum scale for the past 17 years so think I have a good understanding of how important community access is to them. We take them to a very special place in Preston called Space which has different rooms with various sensory activities and the effect it has on some of them is just wonderful to see.
Although the people I look after would probably not benefit from such a facility, I think the club are to be commended for their efforts in trying to increase access to football to people with sensory and other similar issues.

[CoolClaret]

There's literally no negatives to be had here, like, whatsoever.

If this is the difference between those with neurodivergence attending and not attending a (Burnley) football match and becoming proper Clarets, then surely we should all be in favour of it?

[CoolClaret]

Couldn't edit the above post:

To add - I recall my first game on the Turf as a 3 or 4 year old lad, I went home at halftime because it was 'too loud' - I can imagine there are quite a few young 'uns that are put off by crowd noise and would benefit from this?

Good stuff.

[PremierLeagueClass]

They’ll be a huge spike in applications for this room when Alan finally gets his drum…

[fatboy47]

Brilliant move from the club...great to see us in the vanguard for this kind of provision as opposed to our default position of being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

I was part of developing an in-school sensory provision for additional need children and their supporters some years ago and have witnessed the benefits since. It's not rocket science and its massively appreciated in the community by all but a handful of throwbacks and contrarians.

Well done bfc.

[ClaretTony]

Sorry but I’ve been left with no option but to lock this thread which is a downright ridiculous situation. Sadly, despite being my requests, we have a similar situation to last night because of one poster and others ignoring my request.