Sheffield Wednesday - Player Ratings

[helmclaret]

Seem to recall that when we signed THB and CJER , think it was quite close together, that City would have rather loaned CJER and sold us THB. Think City rated CJER more highly than THB, will be interested to see how how he develops now given the opportunity at 1st team level.

CJER needs to play as many games as possible. I think he looks fine and can build on these performances.

[Goliath]

What about his through ball for our first goal?

What through ball?

[Burnley1989]

Really!

I've been a critical but he's really grown on me, really love what he's about.

[Goliath]

No clue what game you watched - you are entitled to your opinion but I thought he was fantastic today.

He will only get better too

I think it's the difference between watching from.the stands and watching a stream. I had the benefit of replays which helped to emphasise his errors in the first half. We should have conceded 2 goals at least as a direct consequence of his mistakes. That isn't a rare occurrence this season from him, I don't think he's at the level he needs to be for a team that wants to finish top 2.

I think watching live you get a better feel for general performance of the team but you can miss or overlook individual moments, mistakes or good pieces of play which you would pick up on 2nd or 3rd viewing.

[Vintage Claret]

From TV stream, all 7 except Koleosho who was average so a 6.

With regards to CJER, I think he has real potential, the kind of player who could develop into a top class defender playing alongside a Ben Mee/ Tarks/John McGreal type mentor (no sleight on 'Steve' intended of whom I think the same)

[Leisure]

What about his through ball for our first goal?

Steady on, apparently he only looks at negatives!

[boatshed bill]

I think it's the difference between watching from.the stands and watching a stream. I had the benefit of replays which helped to emphasise his errors in the first half. We should have conceded 2 goals at least as a direct consequence of his mistakes. That isn't a rare occurrence this season from him, I don't think he's at the level he needs to be for a team that wants to finish top 2.

I think watching live you get a better feel for general performance of the team but you can miss or overlook individual moments, mistakes or good pieces of play which you would pick up on 2nd or 3rd viewing.

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[Big Vinny K]

Trafford- 7 : nearly cost us a goal at the end with a flap but looked solid otherwise

Roberts- 7 : we are just a better team with him in this league

CJ ER - 7 : wasn’t sure he had this performance in him tbh. Best I have seen him play. Scoring him a 4 whether it’s watching live like I did or on TV is ridiculous.

Esteve- 7 : not his best performance but he’s the main reason behind our clean sheets this season

Humphries- 7 : not a left back and offers us little going forward but he’s a good versatile defender.

Cullen- 7 : not the best first half but really good second

Brownhill- 8 : again sloppy first half but very good second

Laurent- 8 : nearly a 9 but he should have scored. Thought he had a great game though.

Koleosho- 7 : far from his best but he occupies multiple players and opposition scared stiff of his [ace.

Flemming- 9*: brilliant game….just needed a goal to top it off.

Anthony- 7 : cool finish and decent game

Subs:

Sarmiento- 6 : unlucky not to score but he should have lifted his head up when he blazed over as Flemming was waiting at the back for an easy tap in.

Thought we were average in first half and they should have gone in level. We stepped it up in second half and we were much better.

I’ve never seen us get beat at Sheff Wednesday and seen us win now 3 or 4 times at least.

[Goliath]

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What an interesting contribution

[boatshed bill]

What an interesting contribution

Basically I think you are missing the point of what live football really is.

[Anonymous Claret]

Trafford 7
Roberts 7
Egan-Riley 7
Esteve 7
Humphreys 7
Cullen 8
Brownhill 7
Laurent 7
Koleosho 6
Anthony 7
Flemming 7

Subs:
Sarmiento 6

[Goliath]

Basically I think you are missing the point of what live football really is.

I don't think so at all. I think you are stuck in the past if you think watching live always gives you a better viewpoint.

I've been about half and half this season and I always think my ratings are less clouded by the emotion of it all when I watch on the tv.

[boatshed bill]

I don't think so at all. I think you are stuck in the past if you think watching live always gives you a better viewpoint.

I've been about half and half this season and I always think my ratings are less clouded by the emotion of it all when I watch on the tv.

Lets just watch football on TV, it gives the armchair analyst expert status

[fatboy47]

Dont feed the troll bill.

[boatshed bill]

Dont feed the troll bill.

Cheers, thanks for the heads up

[Goliath]

Amusing that anyone would think watching from that lower tier for example would give you a better view of the action than watching a live HD stream with multiple replays of each talking point

[Scott Arfield's Swag]

Trafford 7
Roberts 7
Egan-Riley 8
Estève 6
Humphreys 7
Cullen 8
Laurent 9
Koleosho 6
Brownhill 8
Anthony 7
Flemming 7

[boatshed bill]

Amusing that anyone would think watching from that lower tier for example would give you a better view of the action than watching a live HD stream with multiple replays of each talking point

You are really missing the point here. Football should be a live spectacle where all those watching form there opinions without the benefit of retrospect,
go to some games, you get the point of it

[CrosspoolClarets]

I reckon some of the ratings on here (not many tbf) must be what the bookies are looking at when they have dropped us to 5th favourites to win the league. 9/1 with Skybet now.

No, me neither.

[The Shire Claret]

I reckon some of the ratings on here (not many tbf) must be what the bookies are looking at when they have dropped us to 5th favourites to win the league. 9/1 with Skybet now.

No, me neither.

I think not being fancied will suit us

[ClaretTony]

You are really missing the point here. Football should be a live spectacle where all those watching form there opinions without the benefit of retrospect,
go to some games, you get the point of it

Football will always be about being there for me. I never look at anything on the tv afterwards before posting my ratings.

[fatboy47]

It'll be money on the Mackems,Leeds and Blades that puts us down there.

[Goliath]

You are really missing the point here. Football should be a live spectacle where all those watching form there opinions without the benefit of retrospect,
go to some games, you get the point of it

I've done 15 years as a season ticket holder and now have other interests so I go to games where I can and stream the others.
I get a better view from a stream than a dodgy away end with a bunch of coked up pillocks around me chanting about burnerly being wonderful.

Again, it is you that's missing the point. I'm fully aware that the whoe experience is greater watching live but in terms of giving unbiased ratings without emotion clouding opinion then watching via a stream is better for that purpose.

[Hbclaret007]

Trafford..7 - solid, but poor distribution. Better when he choses to catch.
Roberts..7 - used his experience and some good long balls
Esteve..7 - not at his best today
CJ Riley..7 - he has a mistake in him, but did well second half. Tried to move things forward.
Humph...7...solid with some good blocks
Cullen...6 - sorry but I thought he was poor today. Passed backwards far too many times. I'd swap him for Hannibal. Controversial I know
Brownhill...7 - one for the goal. Still goes missing at times
Laurent...7 - did pretty well overall. Let's not get carried away, however.
Kolo...6 - didn't work for him today, but he occupies 2 men and leaves room for others.
Anthony...7 - good finish, but also goes missing at times
Flemming...7...did ok. A bit rusty, understandably. Good physicalpresence.

A good professional performance. Goals gifted by poor sw defending. We're top of the league and I think there's loads of opportunities for improvement. Looking forward to going to Hull. UTC.

[AlargeClaret]

Trafford 7 not much too to do though steady enough
Roberts 7- stuck at it got it upfield
Egan-Riley 7 steady away
Estève 7 not his best but decent
Humphreys 7 still not sure of his best position but has quality
Cullen 6 busy but just looks a shade off
Laurent 8- good game enjoyed himself
Koleosho 6 didn’t really cone off today but drags players out
Brownhill 7 day at the office for the “ 1st Josh”
Anthony 7 drifts in and out of games but quality
Flemming 7- good energy and hold up

[taio]

Trafford 7
Roberts 6
Egan-Riley 7
Esteve 7
Humphreys 6
Cullen 6
Laurent 8
Koleosho 5
Brownhill 7
Anthony 7
Flemming 8

[taio]

I've done 15 years as a season ticket holder and now have other interests so I go to games where I can and stream the others.
I get a better view from a stream than a dodgy away end with a bunch of coked up pillocks around me chanting about burnerly being wonderful.

Again, it is you that's missing the point. I'm fully aware that the whoe experience is greater watching live but in terms of giving unbiased ratings without emotion clouding opinion then watching via a stream is better for that purpose.

Your view obviously wasn't good - imagine thinking Egan-Riley was a 4

[billyhamilton82]

Yes. Gave a pass really short to Roberts early on. Was at fault for their big set piece chance where he just didn't drop for some reason and left them with a free header that they should have scored. And gave away another couple of dreadful passes that could have been punished.

If we concede 2 from those mistakes everyone would be marking him differently. For me the outcome doesn't make up for the mistakes.

A 21 year old centre half just 6 games into the season/Burnley career will make mistakes and he did make a couple but as a caveat to that his overall performance was excellent including an assist.

Its also worth pointing out that Esteve also made a number of mistakes, possibly more than ER but they are both very young.

Its no disgrace beacuse Sheff Wed have good forwards and proved what they can do with their front players against West Brom and our defence as a whole including Trafford were nothing short of excellent.

I remember Brian Laws struggling at first but once a young player settles in his rate of improvement will accelerate dramatically.

Lets remember he has stepped in place of a seasoned Premier League captain and actually proved to be just as good if not a better fit for our style of play IMO.

[ClaretTony]

I've done 15 years as a season ticket holder and now have other interests so I go to games where I can and stream the others.
I get a better view from a stream than a dodgy away end with a bunch of coked up pillocks around me chanting about burnerly being wonderful.

Again, it is you that's missing the point. I'm fully aware that the whoe experience is greater watching live but in terms of giving unbiased ratings without emotion clouding opinion then watching via a stream is better for that purpose.

Totally disagree with you. I don’t think you have understood what the ratings are really about.

[Elizabeth]

Totally disagree with you. I don’t think you have understood what the ratings are really about.

There is no problem with rating from TV. The issue here is the excessive low mark given for the player which is at odds with the many other TV ratings for the same player

[claretgimmer]

Trafford 7 Getting better and more confident but still a little error prone
Roberts 6 Best option we have at right back but just a bit too quick to turn backwards
Egan-Riley 7 Not perfect but steady away, don`t understand a lot of the criticism
Humphreys 6 defended well but needs to support the winger going forward, Anthony told him during the second half
to push on when he came inside
Cullen 8 Looked a lot more comfortable and contributed more in this system with Laurent
Brownhill 6 In the right place to score which is what we need but has to do more, !st half anonymous
Laurent 8 MoM Excellent performance, gives us a physical presence in midfield but popped up in their box more
than previous games, probably a new tactic to increase our goalscoring options which we desperately
needed
Koleosho 6 As previously mentioned puts the opposition on the back foot but has to vastly improve his end
product, lost possession to often by trying to do too much
Anthony 7 Looked more confident when taking on his man and the goal won`t do him any harm
Flemming 8 Gave us a physical presence up front and held the ball up well, his persistence and physicality led to
the Brownhill goal

Sarmiento 7 Got straight into the game and yes he should have done better with his two chances but carried a
threat
Obviously during the international break one of the things they have worked on is the pace of which we move the ball and get it forward quickly and for me it made watching a far better experience the previous few boring predictable games.

[warksclaret]

Great team performance
Trafford 7-has got his confidence back with one very good and brave save first half
Robert’s 6
Egan Riley 7
Esteve 7
Humphreys 7
Brownhill 7 -good second half
Laurent 8 MOM-powerful performance giving us good presence at back and in attack
Cullen 7 a good performance, tenacious with some good passes
Koleosho 6 not at his best playing very deep at times
Anthony 7- got better as game went on with memorable free kick
Fleming 8 has to keep his place.He never stopped stretching a physical defence and several great runs and goal attempts. A very intelligent forward
Sarmiento 6-nearly scored with first touch

[ClaretTony]

There is no problem with rating from TV. The issue here is the excessive low mark given for the player which is at odds with the many other TV ratings for the same player

And the great lengths he's gone to in trying to explain it

[Hipper]

What about his through ball for our first goal?

For the goal I guess. It came from Egan-Riley but it should have been intercepted. It wasn't a defence splitting pass but an attempt at one.

[Hipper]

Totally disagree with you. I don’t think you have understood what the ratings are really about.

Are TV/Clarets+ ratings on this thread wanted or not?

It's obvious that there could be different view points from the two ways of viewing, a lot more emotion and immediacy from the former; more analytical for the latter (possibly even influenced by commentators/pundits if you listen to them). The manager will surely use analytical to make his decisions.

Of course on the Rate the Ref thread, only live in puts are asked for for these reasons.

I can only offer TV ratings.

As for Goliath's 4 for Egan-Riley I can't comment on the rating but if he feels he was 'Poor' then so be it. I welcome all views.

[FCBurnley]

I always watch on TV and marked ER an 8. I noticed yesterday that he was playing in the THB role of playing the forward passes linking defense to attack. Yesterday was first time he appeared to have that role. I could have marked him a 7 but certainly no lower and not in my wildest hallucinations was it a 4

[Stonehouse]

For the goal I guess. It came from Egan-Riley but it should have been intercepted. It wasn't a defence splitting pass but an attempt at one.

You need to buy a ticket to win the raffle and how many times have we seen forwards making a run and there’s no one at the back with their head up its not CJ’s problem if their defender is crap.

[Goliath]

Totally disagree with you. I don’t think you have understood what the ratings are really about.

Feel free to disagree. It doesn't mean you are right, unless the ratings are only people who physically attended.
There's a reason analysts all watch games through a screen and managers watch all games back on a screen.

[Goliath]

And the great lengths he's gone to in trying to explain it

Because people decided to challenge me on it which is fine. I gave my explanation for it, he made at least 2 dreadful first half errors including one from the set piece.
Funnily enough I remember Beyer getting similar marks on here for not defending a set piece well at home to Everton last season.

The big difference? Everton scored. As i said earlier, I don't think the outcome alters how we should view an error personally.

[Robbie_painter]

Had it in for him? Seriously?
I just don't think he's on the level the rest of the squad is and it nearly cost us today. We have a solid team which is protecting him, similar to when we had Kevin Long filling in in the Premier League.

Ridiculous comparison

[NL Claret]

Not sure why some posters only mention the negatives but don’t mention the positives.

Egan-Riley started the moves for 2 goals.

The other day someone mentioned a stat that Egan-Riley had the highest pass success in the league. The know it alls come on here giving it he only passes to Trafford and Esteve, yet when he distributes the ball well the same posters find something else to criticise him and ignore the positives.

I guess he’s not one of their favourites. If only he could be Ekdal, Beyer or THB.

[warksclaret]

Not sure why some posters only mention the negatives but don’t mention the positives.

Egan-Riley started the moves for 2 goals.

The other day someone mentioned a stat that Egan-Riley had the highest pass success in the league. The know it alls come on here giving it he only passes to Trafford and Esteve, yet when he distributes the ball well the same posters find something else to criticise him and ignore the positives.

I guess he’s not one of their favourites. If only he could be Ekdal, Beyer or THB.

You have to respect the guy-I watched him yesterday alongside the likes of Esteve, Laurent and some of the big Wednesday players, and he distinctly looks on the small side. However he has resilience and determination and is making the position his-Parker obviously saw his potential maybe even as long ago as in pre season. He never stops wanting the ball and is exceptionally young.He also has a major advantage over Ekdal, Beyer and Lecroix who are in the treatment room more than on the pitch. I suspect he lER will get a suspension soon as I believe he may have 4 yellows, and if Worrall is not fit be interesting to see if Parker goes Egan or Humphreys

[ClaretTony]

I don't think he's at the level he needs to be for a team that wants to finish top 2.

Now we get to the crux of the matter. It would have been like me giving Brian Jensen 4 for his performance against Reading in the 2008/09 season if we are basing it on whether we think a player is good enough or not.

[Vino blanco]

From tv
Trafford 7 improving at this lower level but still made a flap late on
Roberts 7 defended well and tucked inside more when we had the ball
Egan Riley 6 poor first half hour than settled into the game well
Esteve 7 not as classy as usual but did the job
Humphreys 6 caught out of position a couple of times but much better on the left
Cullen 7 much better with Laurent alongside him, which allowed him to get forward more
Laurent 8 gives us more height and power in centre midfield, if he had a yard or two more pace he would be a real player
Brownhill 7 quiet first half but very good in the second
Koleosho 6 so frustrating, he is young and needs coaching
Flemming 8 skill plus strength in attack. I would still like to see him link up with Foster
Anthony 7 I would still like to see him more involved, though he took his goal well

Three very good away points which took us to the top of the table, though I still don’t think we played particularly well in the first half. We gave the ball away far too easily and far too often, we did however improve a lot in the second half. Wednesday had four very good chances to score and a better team would have taken those chances. I really am looking forward to us gelling in the coming weeks to see how we improve as a team.

[Big Vinny K]

Are TV/Clarets+ ratings on this thread wanted or not?

It's obvious that there could be different view points from the two ways of viewing, a lot more emotion and immediacy from the former; more analytical for the latter (possibly even influenced by commentators/pundits if you listen to them). The manager will surely use analytical to make his decisions.

Of course on the Rate the Ref thread, only live in puts are asked for for these reasons.

I can only offer TV ratings.

As for Goliath's 4 for Egan-Riley I can't comment on the rating but if he feels he was 'Poor' then so be it. I welcome all views.

Not really about that. Of course you can score the ratings from tv or from being there live. And yes I agree either may give you a different perspective.

But in terms of the rating of 4 given then it does not matter whether you were there live or watching it on TV - either way it’s a ridiculous rating. Most fans recognise that E-R has been a surprise inclusion this year after being pretty much nowhere near the first team since he joined the club. And some of his earlier performances probably illustrated why. But there is no doubt in my mind that he has improved in the last few games and yesterday was his best game. He had more of the ball than any other player on the pitch. His passing was good - and in particular some of his long passing out wide. He made a couple of very important and well times tackles where we would have been bang in trouble if he would have got them wrong.

Of course he made a couple of mistakes - but who in the defence didn’t yesterday ? Trafford’s mistake at the end left the player with an empty goal. Esteve made a number of mistakes…as did Humphries and Roberts.

There is no justification for giving him a rating of 4 yesterday. That’s the reason he has been quite rightly called out. Even if you base your ratings on big mistakes made and choose to ignore all the good stuff a player does in a game the rating of 4 still makes no sense when you are not applying the same standards to the other players you are rating.

[Goliath]

Now we get to the crux of the matter. It would have been like me giving Brian Jensen 4 for his performance against Reading in the 2008/09 season if we are basing it on whether we think a player is good enough or not.

No...it wouldn't. Jensen didn't make 2 or 3 terrible mistakes in that game

[ClaretTony]

No...it wouldn't. Jensen didn't make 2 or 3 terrible mistakes in that game

No he didn't and neither did CJ E-R yesterday. Steve almost cost us a goal in the early part of the game, have you given him a 3?

[Leisure]

No...it wouldn't. Jensen didn't make 2 or 3 terrible mistakes in that game

What's the definition of a 'terrible mistake'?

[Big Vinny K]

What's the definition of a 'terrible mistake'?

Muric versus Brighton.
Jensen versus Villa
Cornet versus Norwich

That kind of thing !

[FCBurnley]

Terrible mistake is Goliath giving ER a 4 lol