Parker - In or Out

[ClaretAL]

Totally agree that it’s not good to watch but I think he’s been dealt a bad hand and he needs some time. I recall people calling for Dyche’s head early in his time at Burnley.

I think it would be absolutely crazy to even consider changing manager.

This is also my current thoughts. The only niggle I have, is the Fulham and Bournemouth fans both warned us this is what we would get.

[MDWat]

Out for me. Never going to work for him here.

[Guller Bull]

It’s a bit dull isn’t it?

[NottsClaret]

I said when we gave him the job it was this generation’s Brian Laws moment. Which it is.

There were plenty at the time of his miserable tenure who defended him, largely because he wasn’t a disliked predecessor. Sounds familiar.

Also equally obvious early on it was a mistake, and things would continue to get worse. Despite the pleas to give him a chance - as if positive posts on an online fans forum would suddenly make them a good manager - there wasn’t a single person disappointed when the trigger was belatedly pulled.

It’s just history repeating, same people in the same camps and we’ll stay there until this draws to its inevitable conclusion.

[Roosterbooster]

My issue is that this is playing out exactly how Fulham and Bournemouth fans predicted it would. I'm therefore not expecting it to change. Given we've only scored 8 in our last 12 games (and i dont really think weve deserved even that many), I just can't see how it gets better from here

[BOYSIE31]

Out its getting worse every game

[CrosspoolClarets]

Silly thread and a bit insulting but I am now concerned and really the club need to be instructing him (not a choice) to explain to the fans his desires regarding attacking play and entertainment because I cannot remember a single question on this. Then we could and should give him time. As it stands the club give out these vacuous interviews with in-house "nothing questions" that although affable and open aren't very revealing because the questions are non-entities, e.g. "so tell me Scott, have you had a nice week with the squad?".

Human nature is that a vacuum must be filled by something, and these "Parker Out" threads fill it in the club's absence, and don't do the club any favours. This is where "fan engagement" really should come into its own.

[burnley007]

Hmmm.
Tricky one.
Parker came with such a high pedigree from Bournemouth, Fulham and most notably Brugge, but for some reason it doesn't seem to have worked.
No idea why.

[Leisure]

Hmmm.
Tricky one.
Parker came with such a high pedigree from Bournemouth, Fulham and most notably Brugge, but for some reason it doesn't seem to have worked.
No idea why.

You're really getting boring now!

[ksrclaret]

I said when we gave him the job it was this generation’s Brian Laws moment. Which it is.

There were plenty at the time of his miserable tenure who defended him, largely because he wasn’t a disliked predecessor. Sounds familiar.

Also equally obvious early on it was a mistake, and things would continue to get worse. Despite the pleas to give him a chance - as if positive posts on an online fans forum would suddenly make them a good manager - there wasn’t a single person disappointed when the trigger was belatedly pulled.

It’s just history repeating, same people in the same camps and we’ll stay there until this draws to its inevitable conclusion.

Spot on.

Most of those saying in are, even in so many words in some cases, only doing so because they don't feel comfortable saying out after 13 league games. There is very little to no hope that Parker will suddenly become a manager who will coach us to attack games and score some goals.

[daveisaclaret]

Patience is a virtue and generally that applies to football managers as much as anything else. It's just that 1) this is what we were told to expect and 2) it's getting worse as time goes on.

VK earned patience from day one because while performances were up and down at this point, it was clear what direction we were going in. It seems clear what direction we're going now, and it's not positive.

[G0foste]

Out.

[bfcjg]

Out. No excuses,it's not like today was a one off. I posted earlier we should have gone with attack minded Bellamy.

[helmclaret]

Out for me. Never going to work for him here.

Why was it never going to work?

The squad was ripped apart.

[Jakubs Tash]

Totally agree that it’s not good to watch but I think he’s been dealt a bad hand and he needs some time. I recall people calling for Dyche’s head early in his time at Burnley.

I think it would be absolutely crazy to even consider changing manager.

Except despite being dealt a bad hand he’s also spent an absolute fortune in Championship terms.

He should be getting far more of a tune out of the players he has at his disposal.

These aren’t one off performances. It’s like watching the same game every single week - and against bang average teams (who have spent a pittance compared to us/Parker).

It’s dreadful.

[Goody1975]

Totally agree that it’s not good to watch but I think he’s been dealt a bad hand and he needs some time. I recall people calling for Dyche’s head early in his time at Burnley.

I think it would be absolutely crazy to even consider changing manager.

In some ways he's been dealt a bad hand but in others he hasn't, he has better quality players than the majority of other managers.

The real concern is the lack of improvement, we aren't expecting to be the finished article but to see us moving towards it would be a comfort.

Teams were frightened of us two years ago, even early on in the season, they certainly aren't now.

This is where he has to show what he is made of, he's under pressure and in my opinion, quite rightly so.

[The Shire Claret]

100 percent in

[ClaretTony]

This is also my current thoughts. The only niggle I have, is the Fulham and Bournemouth fans both warned us this is what we would get.

Do you know, I’m not bothered what they have to say, I’ll judge him on what happens with us. It’s not a good watch just now but I don’t think he’s got a good enough squad right now. Whether that changes when some of the injured players finally get fit we’ll have to see. But I’m not judging a manager on thirteen games. As I posted last week, that’s all that’s wrong in the game.

[Vegas Claret]

Staggering if correct

[mikeS]

Its not been attractive or entertaining that's for sure.
But given that we started well, then had match winning players sold in the window, we've lost twice in 13.
We're fourth.
We've a team of players out injured.
Back the guy he's trying his best. Give him a break.

[KefkaClaret]

If we had atleast a playstyle it would be easier to justify. It just seems to be keep it tight and rely on individual brilliance to score.

[Billyblah]

It's a bit unfair on the guy. He probably finds managing a toothless team as frustrating as the fans.
As has been said, the rug was pulled from under him as he walked in through the door. Alan Pace had a fire sale of major assets, leaving only a fortnight to assess team and bring in fresh players. Absolutely crazy situation.
If Pace was banking on a quick return to the PL without having to scrape the bottom of the parachute payments, that was the wrong way to go about it.
'Parker in'....but i fear we will end the season some way outside the play offs.

[Devils_Advocate]

I've been really disappointed with the lack of idenity this team has and the cautious tactics Parker has taken however we've got a good squad and Parkers succeeded before so I think we should give him more time and I wouldn't advocate for making such a quick change

The one thing I do object to is this idea that Parker has been dealt a bad hand as despite the sales he's inherited the best squad any Bunley manager has for at least 40 years.

Teams always have to sell following relegation and when you take away the players both Kompany and Parker lost after taking over then I know which one I think had the harder task

Kompany starting squad 22/23

GK: Peacock-Farrell
Def: Lowton. Taylor, Roberts
Mid: Cork, JBG, Brownhill, Costello
Att: Rodriguez , Barnes

Parker starting squad 24/25

GK: Trafford
Def: Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Egan-Riley, Roberts,
Mid: Cullen, Brownhill, Benson, Massengo, Koleosho
Att: Foster, Rodriguez

[Bordeauxclaret]

Do you know, I’m not bothered what they have to say, I’ll judge him on what happens with us.

Yeah that’s the problem.

[Silkyskills1]

I've usually been one for erring on the cautious side. However, the sort of performance we have seen today has now become the norm. I'm convinced that SP has lost his way in management somehow since his 'heady days'. It's only summise on my behalf but his football could not have been as uninspiring and soul- destroying as this. So, in answer to the question I will say 'yes'. The 'diehards' will continue to attend but the younger generation will be lost to the club if this continues. There are two attend with us but I wouldn't be surprised if they chose not to bother sooner than later.

[Guller Bull]

So for you guys that are saying “ in” , what is it that you are seeing that makes you say that?

[RalphCoatesComb]

IN

Not his fault.

As for Pace, that's a different question

[Hedontplayforyou]

Those saying it’s not his fault, you do realise that he can set the side up to attack more despite who may have been sold etc?

His tactics are setting us up to fail at the moment .

[xxmunkyennuixx]

In. Pace and the transfer window is to answer for a fairly substantial element of what we are seeing. However, the squad definitely is underperforming as well. It is horrible to watch. I can understand the Laws comparison that people are making above. It also comes off the back of the disgrace we had to tolerate last season so I'm not exactly surprised that some want this sorted quickly. It is becoming apparent that we have terrible owners.

[helmclaret]

As expensive as the squad was to assemble, I don’t think the forwards are good enough. Bring in a new manager all you want, but who’s going to get a tune out of Anthony, Koleosho, Foster, Jayrod or Hountonji?

The jury is still out on Fleming as we have no idea what his best position is yet for us, but it’s clear he’s not an out and out striker.

[Goody1975]

As expensive as the squad was to assemble, I don’t think the forwards are good enough. Bring in a new manager all you want, but who’s going to get a tune out of Anthony, Koleosho, Foster, Jayrod or Hountonji?

The jury is still out on Fleming as we have no idea what his best position is yet for us, but it’s clear he’s not an out and out striker.

Surely Anthony was a Parker signing though.

[helmclaret]

Yes, probably a last minute desperation one.

Anthony has shown glimpses of what he can do but he’s been far too timid for me overall.

[KRBFC]

For goodness sake, give the bloke a chance

Why?

Why give him a chance but we can ask for Kompany out after 13 PL games? Kompany had achieved something Parker could only dream of for this club yet that wasn’t even enough credit in the bank.

[Silkyskills1]

My 'yes' earlier was for out. Not clear in the post.

[KRBFC]

I like Parker when he speaks, think he’s a nice fella and I want him to succeed but I just don’t see him as the long term man.

I don’t see us getting promotion like this but I think it’s probably too early and harsh to sack him now.

So do we just tread water for the sake of giving him time? Probably

[Walt]

I've been really disappointed with the lack of idenity this team has and the cautious tactics Parker has taken however we've got a good squad and Parkers succeeded before so I think we should give him more time and I wouldn't advocate for making such a quick change

The one thing I do object to is this idea that Parker has been dealt a bad hand as despite the sales he's inherited the best squad any Bunley manager has for at least 40 years.

Teams always have to sell following relegation and when you take away the players both Kompany and Parker lost after taking over then I know which one I think had the harder task

Kompany starting squad 22/23

GK: Peacock-Farrell
Def: Lowton. Taylor, Roberts
Mid: Cork, JBG, Brownhill, Costello
Att: Rodriguez , Barnes

Parker starting squad 24/25

GK: Trafford
Def: Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Egan-Riley, Roberts,
Mid: Cullen, Brownhill, Benson, Massengo, Koleosho
Att: Foster, Rodriguez

In terms of a core squad he has got a lot to work with and there's absolutely no doubt the football should be better with what he has.

In terms of the bad hand. In my view it's not about comparing what's gone before and who would do a better job. Parker has had to contend with pre-season being of little value given how the end of the window went.

Yes we had to sell but the way we went about it is clearly an ongoing challenge. It's his job to solve this obviously, but a very unsettling period when he's new to role isn't ideal.

Despite that I do expect much better, but I believe he deserves cutting slack under the circumstances.

[Jakubs Tash]

As expensive as the squad was to assemble, I don’t think the forwards are good enough. Bring in a new manager all you want, but who’s going to get a tune out of Anthony, Koleosho, Foster, Jayrod or Hountonji?

The jury is still out on Fleming as we have no idea what his best position is yet for us, but it’s clear he’s not an out and out striker.

Those forwards aren’t good enough. But Parker had enough time (and money) to recruit who he wanted.

Also, it’s the manager who keeps on picking the same players in the same positions every week when it’s clearly not working. He never even switched his wingers over for 20 minutes.

It’s stale and it’s only heading in one direction to an inevitable end when it’s too late for this season.

[KRBFC]

Parker ball is a serious downgrade in Dycheball both in entertainment and effectiveness.

Got to give him the chance but I don’t think he is the man to turn us around. Kompany has screwed us over with Al his stupid signings, and that is the real issue

If we don’t go up in the next 2 years then we are going to be bang in trouble.

How did Kompany screw us over with his signings when we’ve made profit on most of them?

[BabylonClaret]

Frankly we have been on the whole worse rather than better unde our new owners. We've often relied on moments of brilliant e and since we flogged all the brilliant moment creators we've struggled.

I dont neccesarily think it's Parker's fault here - in the first 2 games we scored 9 in the first two but since then we've not averaged 1 per game.

We are too solid to be in danger but sides who don't score at least 1 per game don't get promoted. And that is our necessary outcome.

I don't think changing the manager will change that. We have not got enough going forward.

[BabylonClaret]

How did Kompany screw us over with his signings when we’ve made profit on most of them?

Because games aren't won and lost ona balance sheet. We bought too many who werebl investments and either didn't give a **** about the club or felt the club didn't give a **** about them.

We are ******

[ClaretMat]

In
Although we are in a very good position from a resource point of view, being asked to pretty much rebuild the team in a couple of weeks would be challenging for anybody. He's also not had the chance to have both Foster and Flemming in the same squad, nevermind the same 11 and I think that could make a big difference. The midfield setup at the moment clearly isn't quite working without a number 10 (Hannibal clearly isn't, Sarmiento maybe could be).
We do however need to see a difference in the intent of the team. Currently it seems like we are playing to keep the ball and keep the opposition at arms length, rather than looking to hurt the opposition and win games.

[TsarBomba]

I think the chaotic transfer window, and complete mismanagement of this squad over the past 12 months, means I’m still in the ‘in’ camp.

The sad thing is that I could’ve gone today, but decided to stay at home with the kids. I predicted 0-0, and like most of us, probably expected a turgid game, but that showing was truly turgid.

If and when fans start voting with their feet, which they will if this continues, then the pressure will really start to mount. And I don’t think that time is too far off, unfortunately.

[burnley007]

Parker is doing a cracking job

[Woodleyclaret]

In we are not Watford give the guy a break

[Swizzlestick]

I think the chaotic transfer window, and complete mismanagement of this squad over the past 12 months, means I’m still in the ‘in’ camp.

The sad thing is that I could’ve gone today, but decided to stay at home with the kids. I predicted 0-0, and like most of us, probably expected a turgid game, but that showing was truly turgid.

If and when fans start voting with their feet, which they will if this continues, then the pressure will really start to mount. And I don’t think that time is too far off, unfortunately.

This is the issue - when the home fans stop turning up. Winter kicking in and a glut of games coming up. Keep serving this up and Pace will be seeing a lot more empty seats.

[burnley007]

Parker will be the next Real Madrid manager

[willsclarets]

It comes down to what kind of club we want to be. Do we want to change managers every time its not going well? Retrospectively does Dyche get the chance to take us up if we have that kind of model? Changing managers all the time is expensive, and often the grass is always greener.

Parker isn't stupid, knowing what needs fixing and fixing it are two different things. Parker wasn't my choice personally, but he's here now. And for me he at least gets the season to show progress.

[what_no_pies]

In, but I won't be buying many more tickets unless the football starts serving to entertain.

[ClaretPete001]

I've been really disappointed with the lack of idenity this team has and the cautious tactics Parker has taken however we've got a good squad and Parkers succeeded before so I think we should give him more time and I wouldn't advocate for making such a quick change

The one thing I do object to is this idea that Parker has been dealt a bad hand as despite the sales he's inherited the best squad any Bunley manager has for at least 40 years.

Teams always have to sell following relegation and when you take away the players both Kompany and Parker lost after taking over then I know which one I think had the harder task

Kompany starting squad 22/23

GK: Peacock-Farrell
Def: Lowton. Taylor, Roberts
Mid: Cork, JBG, Brownhill, Costello
Att: Rodriguez , Barnes

Parker starting squad 24/25

GK: Trafford
Def: Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Egan-Riley, Roberts,
Mid: Cullen, Brownhill, Benson, Massengo, Koleosho
Att: Foster, Rodriguez

7 of VKs starting squad were established PL players. Only Brownhill of the current squad has more than one PL season under his belt other than Jay Rod who is 35.

In VKs squad, the club added to the 7 PL players a player who was good enough to play for a team that won the Bundesliga last season and one who played in the Champions league final.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two squads. None whatsoever.

[TsarBomba]

Tella and Maatsen in the Championship was cheating.