Sack him now

[Leyland Claret]

He’s got to go

[CnBtruntru]

Van Nistelrooy available soon?

He wants to stay at Utd, if he came to Burnley, he would be our only striker able to hit a barn door at the moment

[IanMcL]

He wants to stay at Utd, if he came to Burnley, he would be our only striker able to hit a barn door at the moment

Wanting and getting is not always the same thing.

He knows where the goal is, that's for sure.

[ClaretOfMancunia]

He can go for me. Absolutely no redeeming qualities to his management.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

That was really desperate stuff.

Need to buy some better players in January.

[Milltown1882]

Today was the breaking point for me. Those six points in the first two games cover up our league position massively. We’ll slide a lot the next few weeks.

[KRBFC]

Whilst it may be harsh to sack him now, I just don’t see him as the long term man. The football is beyond boring.

[BurnleyFC]

He’s going to see the season out, but will probably be potted in the summer.

[Aclaret]

Coaches a terrible style of football that is so boring to watch. Can't remember jumping out of my seat with excitement too often recently.
You can see why Club Brugge potted him so quick !
Buck up Mr Parker and change this dreadful football we are watching.

[burnley007]

ParkerBall
We were warned
He is proven to be schitt. He is schitt.

Seems like a decent bloke, but a hopeless manager, probably because he's a decent bloke.

[GetIntoEm]

We're not sacking a manager this early, so get over it.

[lrac]

4 more points at this time than kompany time

[kentonclaret]

ParkerBall
We were warned
He is proven to be schitt. He is schitt.

Seems like a decent bloke, but a hopeless manager, probably because he's a decent bloke.

Who, exactly, warned you?

Bournemouth and Fulham fans who both celebrated getting out of the Championship under Parker?

[Jakubs Tash]

That was really desperate stuff.

Need to buy some better players in January.

What makes you trust him to spend more money in January? Has he not already spent £40m? How many other clubs in our league have spent £40m?

He can go for me. Not enjoying watching us this season at all. In fact, it’s desperately depressing.

[Silkyskills1]

Perhaps that's the worst we're going to be this season.......... but I wouldn't bet on it. My time's running out; I want to see shots, saves,crosses from both wings, near misses. Above all something to talk about after the game. This is dire and with no sign of getting any better.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

What makes you trust him to spend more money in January? Has he not already spent £40m? How many other clubs in our league have spent £40m?

He can go for me. Not enjoying watching us this season at all. In fact, it’s desperately depressing.

I dont want to put all my chips on red just yet, Id give him a few more games, if its as hopeless as today in those next 3 games then we are going to be in trouble. Hopefully with Flemming and Foster back we are a different animal.

The chairman needs to buy some better players, I take it Parker is just there to coach them and not particulary involved in identifying them apart from Laurent, i get the frustration though after watching that today.

[Gordaleman]

4 more points at this time than kompany time

Yes, but Kompany then went on a 22 match unbeaten run. I'll bet Parker doesn't. Kompany 's side wasn't boring either.

[colne-claret]

4 more points at this time than kompany time

But under Kompany we were getting better, with Parker we are declining.

[warksclaret]

We do not have a promotion gaining group of players. Solid in defence but having seen quite a bit of Leeds and Sheff Utd this season we are well off their attacking abilities. They are purposeful on the break creating and taking chances. Just pleased we did not face either today. Millwall today without Foster and or Fleming was going to be a challenge but we were let down by quite a few key player performances today. They deserved their win. You cannot put the entire blame on Parker-he was dealt a very poor hand with big player departures. Plus I suspect he was not allowed to bring with him any backroom staff of his choice. Its clear we are devoid of any attacking coaching, with Jackson being more of a defence coach, and we lost Bellamy too on the attacking side. I could not help thinking today when looking at our two strikers and how out of touch they were in the game, that we had let Amdouini go out on loan

[CoolClaret]

We do not have a promotion gaining group of players. Solid in defence but having seen quite a bit of Leeds and Sheff Utd this season we are well off their attacking abilities. They are purposeful on the break creating and taking chances. Just pleased we did not face either today. Millwall today without Foster and or Fleming was going to be a challenge but we were let down by quite a few key player performances today. They deserved their win. You cannot put the entire blame on Parker-he was dealt a very poor hand with big player departures. Plus I suspect he was not allowed to bring with him any backroom staff of his choice. Its clear we are devoid of any attacking coaching, with Jackson being more of a defence coach, and we lost Bellamy too on the attacking side. I could not help thinking today when looking at our two strikers and how out of touch they were in the game, that we had let Amdouini go out on loan

But we do have players to come back, predominantly creative players in the final third - Ramsey, Redmond, Trésor, Benson, Foster... We will see where we're at when those lads come back.

[billyhamilton82]

After today's game I remembered a phrase from a Fulham / Bournemouth fan, can't remember which but as follows:

"Parker will coach the indivuduality out of every player in a stifling structure that restricts any flair or creativity"

So far my assessment is the same.

Without "a Mitrovic" this system is unsustainable, and quite obviously won't work with our current personnel.

We haven't scored in a third of the games this season, 8 goals in 11 games, our results look like a series from the binary system.

Parker has now to step out of his comfort zone and create an attacking side that uses the undoubted quality to its full potential.

If not it, then it will be game over.

[warksclaret]

But we do have players to come back, predominantly creative players in the final third - Ramsey, Redmond, Trésor, Benson, Foster... We will see where we're at when those lads come back.

Granted but how many goals do you see this group of players getting, bearing in mind because of the nature of the injuries to Ramsey and Redmond, it could be the new year when we see these two, and Benson is the "next injury waiting to happen".

[Mattster]

4 more points at this time than kompany time

Wrong.

[ClaretPete001]

After today's game I remembered a phrase from a Fulham / Bournemouth fan, can't remember which but as follows:

"Parker will coach the indivuduality out of every player in a stifling structure that restricts any flair or creativity"

So far my assessment is the same.

Without "a Mitrovic" this system is unsustainable, and quite obviously won't work with our current personnel.

We haven't scored in a third of the games this season, 8 goals in 11 games, our results look like a series from the binary system.

Parker has now to step out of his comfort zone and create an attacking side that uses the undoubted quality to its full potential.

If not it, then it will be game over.

Give us a clue? His one quality forward is injured. What is your plan?

[Quicknick]

Don't sack him. Delete the thread.

[beddie]

Talk of these players currently injured is okay but I’d imagine it will take several games for them to get up to speed by which time we could be out of the top six. Unless there is a dramatic improvement in our current play and goal ratio we’ll have to accept its championship football again next season, If Parker’s still with us it’s an opportunity for him to upgrade the squad.
I still think he should be given this full season.

[hoosier-daddy]

I think he has to be given the January window.

Get 5-6 of the 11(?) players out injured back and bring in a forward in January. There must be Premier League club players who are simply not getting game time and will be wanting a shop window to display their talents in time for the summer.

[mkmel]

I think it was 12 out injured and Flemming unavailable.

Just crazy the number of our players not available for selection for one reason or another.

[OakSmokedClaret]

For me, I’d let him go.

Whatever hand he has been dealt, the tactics and style of play are determined by him.

IMO, all the play is in front of the opposition. There is zero breaking lines, or through passes.

Regardless of whether we think the players at his disposal are good enough or not, we do have the personnel and pace to run beyond and for the midfielders to play those type of passes.

I can accept bad results even if I don’t like to lose, but I can’t stand being bored witless with seemingly no attacking desire.

I want to be entertained regardless of the result.

[warksclaret]

I was dreading the Millwall game once we knew of Foster's injury and Fleming's ineligibility. Lets see Parker's reaction to a loss yesterday, and how we shape up at WBA. The one thing Parker needs is for a number of players to step up-Brownhill in his last couple of games has been very poor-too poor for a captain. Cullen, Koleosho, Jordan,Roberts (except for QPR) are much better than they have been playing. Do we have the right back room coaching to motivate these guys and get improvements. I saw Parker ask Jackson a question yesterday shortly before the substitutions and there was absolutely nothing came back from Jackson for what seemed an eternity

[Offaly_Clarets IRE]

Bit of a pointless thread as the board are never going to sack him at this point, regardless of the fan's opinions. Until we hit mid-table in the second half of the season, they won't consider it.

[Walton]

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Any manager with a coaching badge could have won the games we've won with the squad and budget we've got.

The least convincing flat-track bullies in existence. Heaven help us when we start playing the proper teams in the division.

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Who, exactly, warned you?

Bournemouth and Fulham fans who both celebrated getting out of the Championship under Parker?

Yes, they did. Whilst acknowledging he was manager when they were promtoed, they said it was in spite of him, not because of him.

[kentonclaret]

We do not have a promotion gaining group of players. Solid in defence but having seen quite a bit of Leeds and Sheff Utd this season we are well off their attacking abilities. They are purposeful on the break creating and taking chances. Just pleased we did not face either today. Millwall today without Foster and or Fleming was going to be a challenge but we were let down by quite a few key player performances today. They deserved their win. You cannot put the entire blame on Parker-he was dealt a very poor hand with big player departures. Plus I suspect he was not allowed to bring with him any backroom staff of his choice. Its clear we are devoid of any attacking coaching, with Jackson being more of a defence coach, and we lost Bellamy too on the attacking side. I could not help thinking today when looking at our two strikers and how out of touch they were in the game, that we had let Amdouini go out on loan

Exactly that. You only have to trawl through the thread listing requirements in the next January window to see that the overwhelming majority list 1, or maybe even 2, forwards with an eye for goal as a “must have”.
We do not possess a striker at the club currently who is going to end the season with 15+ goals. I think after 13 games we do not even have a forward on 3 goals.

[bumba]

Anybody who wants him sacked I have a question, in our promotion season under VK do you think we'd have been 4th after 13 games with the best defence in the league if we'd lost 10 good players from that squad to injury?

VK didn't have the injuries and still failed to gain the points at this stage as Parker has.

10 big injuries that we could argue most could be starting, a squad ripped apart after two games and not the same backing/control as VK yet still doing better.

[willsclarets]

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Any manager with a coaching badge could have won the games we've won with the squad and budget we've got.

The least convincing flat-track bullies in existence. Heaven help us when we start playing the proper teams in the division.

Like Leeds away?

[hoosier-daddy]

Like Leeds away?

Also Sunderland was a freak game with what was going on with the transfer window. Also, the fact we beat teams means they have 3 points less than if they'd have won, so they're automatically going to be lower in the table due to that. Give them the 3 points we prevented them from getting and some of those will be in/around the top half.

[Bosscat]

Anybody who wants him sacked I have a question, in our promotion season under VK do you think we'd have been 4th after 13 games with the best defence in the league if we'd lost 10 good players from that squad to injury?

VK didn't have the injuries and still failed to gain the points at this stage as Parker has.

10 big injuries that we could argue most could be starting, a squad ripped apart after two games and not the same backing/control as VK yet still doing better.

Tbf after 14 games we were top on 25 points if memory serves in 2022/23. But yes we didn't have the injury list we have like now.

Just found that table ... yes after 14 games we were top.

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[AlargeClaret]

Yes, but Kompany then went on a 22 match unbeaten run. I'll bet Parker doesn't. Kompany 's side wasn't boring either.

You’re seriously comparing the VK squad ,spend , high end loans and highly experienced prem players as a backbone to the rabble SP inherited? He’s had to change a full team once and has little time to build anything at all . He’s been dealt a poor hand indeed , yet riding high from the word go just isn’t enough for some people .

[Stonehouse]

Anybody who wants him sacked I have a question, in our promotion season under VK do you think we'd have been 4th after 13 games with the best defence in the league if we'd lost 10 good players from that squad to injury?

VK didn't have the injuries and still failed to gain the points at this stage as Parker has.

10 big injuries that we could argue most could be starting, a squad ripped apart after two games and not the same backing/control as VK yet still doing better.

One big difference is that from the get go 2 seasons ago we were playing entertaining football even though we weren’t winning,this time we’ve stopped winning and the football is turgid.

[ClaretFelix]

Yes, they did. Whilst acknowledging he was manager when they were promtoed, they said it was in spite of him, not because of him.

Sounds like you're saying he's a lucky manager then?? I'll take that

[TheFamilyCat]

What's the obsession with comparing this team to two years ago (and Parker to Kompany)?

You either think Parker's doing a good job or not. What happened two years ago is irrelevant.

[bumba]

Tbf after 14 games we were top on 25 points if memory serves in 2022/23. But yes we didn't have the injury list we have like now.

Just found that table ... yes after 14 games we were top.Screenshot_20241104_090034_Chrome.jpg

So if we win our next game we'll have more points after 14 games than that season, all.that proves is that the championship two seasons ago was easier than this season which should be another positive for Parker

[bumba]

One big difference is that from the get go 2 seasons ago we were playing entertaining football even though we weren’t winning,this time we’ve stopped winning and the football is turgid.

It wasn't all entertaining after Huddersfield, we showed glimpses in a few games but Hull, PNE, Luton, Watford were all dire performances off the top of my head

[pushpinpussy]

This thread will take some beating. We have the most moronic fans in the country.

[Bosscat]

This thread will take some beating. We have the most moronic fans in the country.

Self praise is no praise

[warksclaret]

Contemplating sacking the manager for me is not an option.It would make us the laughing stock of the Championship. We are over a quarter of the way through the season and I am starting to think that Sheff Utd and Leeds are the best equipped to ensure auto promotion. We can all pick flaws in how they play, but they have goals in both teams, and can grind out a result, even when outplayed. I think Sunderland will fade but in any case finishing third is a lottery. Will we get in the play-offs, maybe as the standard of teams below third would appear to be much lower, and more inconsistent.

The thought of us getting promoted however petrifies me, with our current financial restrictions, and short term thinking. I have been to Leicester a few times this season, and the impact of the way teams set up and play is light years ahead of us and the Championship, and I include even Leeds & Sheff Utd. I look at Wolves with some fabulous footballers with 3 points out of 30 and no wins. Ipswich with a decent set of players yet to get a win in 10 games.

Personally I would prefer a two year target to work through our issues. When we have everyone fit we will have 8 centre halves, yet one serious striker who is possibly our most inconsistent player (Foster) and a decent number 10 (Fleming)-thats the extent of our strike force . We have endless long term injuries-no one can tell us when any of the creative ones will be back (if at all)-ie Tresor, Ramsey, Redmond, and I include Beyer as a "creative" player.

Two years gives us time to address the make up of our squad, bed in those returning, and moving on the surplus, at the same time getting in some proper targeted strikers to avoid a situation like this weekend.. Its possible Parker may need more help in term of an attacking coach, as I don't currently see the improvement in players like Koleosho, Brownhill, Anthony and Foster. It gives Parker time to fine tune his squad and build on some of the positives we have, such as our defensive qualities.

These are just my thoughts. Last season in the PL was torrid, and I think I am not on my own thinking this. Returning to the PL in May would for me a bigger nightmare. I may of course be wrong and we go up, in which case that is really going to test the club and the Board on many fronts

[NewClaret]

Warks, I won’t quote you as it’s a long one, but I agree that we are a million miles off being a premier league team and I’m beginning to lose any hope we will ever be able to call ourselves one again.

People say we wasted huge sums in our promotion season but look at how much Wolves have spent over a number of years, or Ipswich and Southampton this summer, and they can’t scrape a win (bar the result for the latter this weekend). It looks like you’d have to spend £200m+ to compete even at the bottom end of the table.

What I don’t think your post covers is the consequences of not getting immediate promotion. We’ll lose a number of our best players. Plus you lose a big chunk of parachute money and have the Wolves, Southampton’s and Ipswich’s coming down with bigger budgets than us and better players, all but ruling out the auto places.

I think if we don’t get promoted this year we’ll be in some real financial trouble and the promotion dream will become a quite distant one, unfortunately.

I think we’ll see that pressure both in how Alan Pace responds now to any continued under performance and also how the club approach the January window.

[warksclaret]

Newclaret-some very valid points, and I am sure many others share our thinking and fears, or should I say reality. Its very much a CATCH-22 situation in terms of the club's financial viability

[TsarBomba]

You’re seriously comparing the VK squad ,spend , high end loans and highly experienced prem players as a backbone to the rabble SP inherited? He’s had to change a full team once and has little time to build anything at all . He’s been dealt a poor hand indeed , yet riding high from the word go just isn’t enough for some people .

Despite being relegated, VK inherited a club that had the solid foundation of 6 straight years of PL football behind it. Barnes, Taylor, Brownhill, and JBG were integral, with Cork and J-Rod also playing their part. The standards that Dyche set were still running through the playing squad and club as a whole.

Parker inherited the complete opposite. A hugely imbalanced squad, a host of players wanting away, and a transfer window that was utterly shambolic.