U21s v Hull

[ClaretTony]

Is there a big difference in level vs PL2?

Do you think we’ll be competitive at that level if we regain Cat 1?

Will be even tougher in PL2 than last time. There were two divisions then with promotion and relegation so we didn’t play the big teams but it’s all one division now.

[mkmel]

Thanks CT for the match updates

[Lord_Bob]

Richardson sure looks like a player. Hopefully we can get him a good loan come January, maybe even at Championship level. Anyone aware of any club in desperate need of a striker???

[NottsClaret]

Just seen an interview with Farrell.. how come I’ve aged well over 30 years since he played for us but he’s only aged about 10 years?

[Alanstevensonsgloves]

Wrexham seem to be struggling atm

[NewClaret]

Will be even tougher in PL2 than last time. There were two divisions then with promotion and relegation so we didn’t play the big teams but it’s all one division now.

Hadn’t realised that. Good in some ways that our lads will get to test them against the best.

I know the general consensus is that loans to play league football is in the players best interests but I’m hoping we also keep a strong team to help establish ourselves again at that level.

How did Delcroix look tonight?

[ClaretTony]

Just seen an interview with Farrell.. how come I’ve aged well over 30 years since he played for us but he’s only aged about 10 years?

Don't tell him whatever you do

[ClaretTony]

Some words on tonight's game

https://www.uptheclarets.com/big-win-fo ... place-hull

[ClaretTony]

I know the general consensus is that loans to play league football is in the players best interests but I’m hoping we also keep a strong team to help establish ourselves again at that level.

It's about developing footballers to whatever level they can attain. If that's getting them out on loan then we get them out on loan.

[Commy]

Just seen an interview with Farrell.. how come I’ve aged well over 30 years since he played for us but he’s only aged about 10 years?

Last time I saw him I couldn't believe how he looked so young. I haven't aged that well either .

[NewClaret]

It's about developing footballers to whatever level they can attain. If that's getting them out on loan then we get them out on loan.

Yes, I understand that’s what they do and will continue to do.

Just my view, but I think if we really want to attract the best young players longer term, we have to develop a competitive academy side to build up our reputation. Hopefully we’ll be well placed to cope already, but it will be interesting to see how we fare if our audit is successful. They’re doing brilliantly at the moment.

[Clive 1960]

Some words on tonight's game

https://www.uptheclarets.com/big-win-fo ... place-hull

Good report Tony as it's just about developing the lad's to a level they can play at . And happy to see Richardson playing with the amount of injuries the lad as had ..

[Andingle]

Yes, I understand that’s what they do and will continue to do.

Just my view, but I think if we really want to attract the best young players longer term, we have to develop a competitive academy side to build up our reputation. Hopefully we’ll be well placed to cope already, but it will be interesting to see how we fare if our audit is successful. They’re doing brilliantly at the moment.

In fairness , potential talent would be more attracted to join the club based on development of individuals rather than the collective.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

In fairness , potential talent would be more attracted to join the club based on development of individuals rather than the collective.

Balance of both, really isn’t it. There has to be either a clearly defined pathway to the first team if certain metrics are met or getting great loans out because we have previously developed good players and are respected.

Otherwise no one will want to come.

We don’t do either currently, I don’t think.

[Quicknick]

What a good win. UTC

[ClaretTony]

Yes, I understand that’s what they do and will continue to do.

Just my view, but I think if we really want to attract the best young players longer term, we have to develop a competitive academy side to build up our reputation. Hopefully we’ll be well placed to cope already, but it will be interesting to see how we fare if our audit is successful. They’re doing brilliantly at the moment.

It’s not about having a successful team but about developing young footballers. Yes, winning is good and it’s been a pleasure to watch this team so far this season but the results won’t come from league position or games won but from the progress of the players be that at Burnley or elsewhere.

[NewClaret]

In fairness , potential talent would be more attracted to join the club based on development of individuals rather than the collective.

Quite possibly and there’s a fair argument to say as a player or parent you’d be more attracted to a club who you know have great links in the football league anyway.

And agree the main focus should be on the individuals and not the team at that level. My only point was I hope next season we retain a squad that can be competitive in the PL2 (assuming we get in) so that we can showcase how far we’ve come, which seems considerable to me from the outside but I’m not sure if that’s because we’re now playing at a much lower standard.

[Clive 1960]

Quite possibly and there’s a fair argument to say as a player or parent you’d be more attracted to a club who you know have great links in the football league anyway.

And agree the main focus should be on the individuals and not the team at that level. My only point was I hope next season we retain a squad that can be competitive in the PL2 (assuming we get in) so that we can showcase how far we’ve come, which seems considerable to me from the outside but I’m not sure if that’s because we’re now playing at a much lower standard.

player's will stop there if they are treated right, when my lad played down at the school of excellence you could only play if you were local area , don't know if that as changed now ..

[NewClaret]

Some words on tonight's game

https://www.uptheclarets.com/big-win-fo ... place-hull

Thanks Tony. Think the article may have missed a paragraph or two about the first half - just below the photo of Brandon Ly.

[ClaretTony]

Thanks Tony. Think the article may have missed a paragraph or two about the first half - just below the photo of Brandon Ly.

For the life of me I can't work out how that's happened but it's back in now.

[NewClaret]

player's will stop there if they are treated right, when my lad played down at the school of excellence you could only play if you were local area , don't know if that as changed now ..

Not sure how it works myself, but given we bought Julian Vetro and Oluwaseun Adewumi in over summer, I’m guessing we can recruit overseas and national talent at some age groups now (over 18?).

My point was less about where people will stay and more about what will attract them here as the top top talent will always have choices. I agree with the earlier poster that a culture of individual development over team success and if potential players and their parents research that enough (as you’d expect) then that may be a pull. But I also think in reality, there will always be a perception amongst some that feel the strength of the Academy side reflects its quality.

That’s not to say you should change your strategy, I was just saying that I hope we can manage to do both - get the lads playing mens football that need to… and have a strong U21’s side that can develop the clubs reputation too. I think there has to be a balance to an extent, not least because I don’t think it helps the retained players development if they’re vastly uncompetitive.

That said, I’ve just looked at the PL2 and Brighton are 3rd and we beat them, so think on our day we should be able to compete which is very positive!

[Andingle]

One of the questions most parents of potential players will want to know , is the pathway as Charlie in Mexico referred.
Winning breeds confidence and a better progressive environment but the pathway to being a Pro Footballer is the priority, clubs that have a proven track record have pictures of successful Academy players posted everywhere and thats an impressive sell point.
Most of the Cat 1 clubs regularly attend Cat 2 & 3 fixtures looking for potential talent to buy and for me this is a route Burnley should be looking at , as I don't believe it's something the club does at this point , plenty of potential is to be found at the lower category clubs and a lot of lower Cat clubs encourage selling as the cash received helps them with their own Academies.

[ecc]

There are a significant number of lads in the squad who are 20 or 21 and you really want them to be out on loan. The club will be doing its best to get deals sorted for January but it's far from easy.

[ClaretTony]

One of the questions most parents of potential players will want to know , is the pathway as Charlie in Mexico referred.
Winning breeds confidence and a better progressive environment but the pathway to being a Pro Footballer is the priority, clubs that have a proven track record have pictures of successful Academy players posted everywhere and thats an impressive sell point.
Most of the Cat 1 clubs regularly attend Cat 2 & 3 fixtures looking for potential talent to buy and for me this is a route Burnley should be looking at , as I don't believe it's something the club does at this point , plenty of potential is to be found at the lower category clubs and a lot of lower Cat clubs encourage selling as the cash received helps them with their own Academies.

Our youth set up (not then an academy) was progressing as well as it could given the financial constraints up to around a dozen years ago but then came the destroyer who came close to getting it closed down. Then it progressed again and reached Cat 1 but it does, in a number of ways, seem to have gone backwards a little bit in the last two or three years. I'm hopeful that we've got the right man in now in Chris Casper to take it forwards again.

You are so right, it's about the pathway to get players through to being professionals. But we do need to be looking in all places for new players, as you also say, and that means looking at Cat 2 and Cat 3 clubs too.

[Mattster]

We've done quite well picking up players from a variety of places recently. Tom Tweedy joining from the Welsh Premier League. Joe Bevan from Scottish Lowland League. Charlie Veevers has impressed me coming via Swansea from Manchester United. Tommy McDermott was on the fringes of the first team at Port Vale but they seemingly weren't able to offer him a pathway, and now IMO he's ready for league football in January. Joao Mendes too, though I struggle to shake the impression he's something of a gimmick signing.

Then down in the U18s you've Murray Campbell from St Mirren and Benji Wetshi from Dulwich Hamlet.

I do think we cast the net pretty wide.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I liked the look of McDermott

[NewClaret]

We've done quite well picking up players from a variety of places recently. Tom Tweedy joining from the Welsh Premier League. Joe Bevan from Scottish Lowland League. Charlie Veevers has impressed me coming via Swansea from Manchester United. Tommy McDermott was on the fringes of the first team at Port Vale but they seemingly weren't able to offer him a pathway, and now IMO he's ready for league football in January. Joao Mendes too, though I struggle to shake the impression he's something of a gimmick signing.

Then down in the U18s you've Murray Campbell from St Mirren and Benji Wetshi from Dulwich Hamlet.

I do think we cast the net pretty wide.

You make excellent points.

We seem do cast the net wide, UK-wise and increasingly abroad as demonstrated by the Mendes, Vetro & Adewuemi signings. I heard we’re also doing the same in Asian markets.

How, I’m not quite sure. It’s clear our senior appointments are started by data analysis, but I can’t believe this data exists on kids… or that we employ a lot of scouts across the world in the hope they pick us a good one from time to time.

I think the points above are that we don’t seem to buy them from other cat2/3 academies. I know Brighton do that. Maybe it’s not really necessary when they only

I always feel we’re uniquely placed to have a great academy. We have four top premier league clubs in commutable distance, so picking up their released players should be easy enough. Plus they can rarely offer a path to first team with all their money. Although to be fair City & United do bring them through.

Then there’s the 5 or so Championship/League 1 clubs locally who we should really be able to attract their top talent from. You’d expect we have better facilities and coaches.