January Transfer Window Rumours

[CrosspoolClarets]

Houtindji more than any of our other players makes clever runs into space, runs that up till now are never found (apart from the Oxford miss). I feel there is a player there, one a mid table team could develop, but whether we can afford to spend minutes doing it is the big question, given what we have at stake.

[Sapperclaret73]

Would like to see him used off the bench. Not afraid to get a shot off. Until flemming’s goal, i cannot remember the last time a striker tested a keeper.

[NewClaret]

Houtindji more than any of our other players makes clever runs into space, runs that up till now are never found (apart from the Oxford miss). I feel there is a player there, one a mid table team could develop, but whether we can afford to spend minutes doing it is the big question, given what we have at stake.

I’d have liked us to have some comfortable leads this season to give him some good opportunities to come on with no pressure.

Sadly that’s not been possible.

[Guller Bull]

Ferguson a no go?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/burnl ... n-striker/

[NewClaret]

Ferguson a no go?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/burnl ... n-striker/

I really hope we don’t waste our time chasing this all window.

[DCWat]

I really hope we don’t waste our time chasing this all window.

Be well worth the chase if we managed to get him.

[ecc]

There's no way Brighton will loan him to a Championship club if they can get some sort of guarantee he'll play in the PL.

[NewClaret]

Be well worth the chase if we managed to get him.

Possibly but he’s also out of form and whilst that’s probably going to be true of anyone we sign, we’d have to in effect give him game time to play his way back in to form.

If he signs and does it quickly for the tough games in Jan then I’ll be happy like everyone else but I’m not so enthusiastic about chasing him all Jan and in doing so miss a possible month of someone else (and maybe miss out completely).

[Dark Cloud]

There's no way Brighton will loan him to a Championship club if they can get some sort of guarantee he'll play in the PL.

And that might end up being our trump (not Trump!) card. We are in a far better position to promise minutes on the pitch and it still be a very, very high standard. Clubs in the PL are less likely to be able to make or keep such assurances with more options floating around.

[Burnley Ace]

He might prefer to be the main striker in a promotion race rather than taking the responsibility (and the flak) ina relegation dog fight!

[maidenover]

Marc Guiu looks sharp - only playing for a seriously weakened Chelsea side against Shamrock Rovers I know but very aggressive and scored a first half hat trick. 18 years old bought from Barcelona for 6million. Maybe Scott has Chelsea contacts from his time there

[Steddyman]

And that might end up being our trump (not Trump!) card. We are in a far better position to promise minutes on the pitch and it still be a very, very high standard. Clubs in the PL are less likely to be able to make or keep such assurances with more options floating around.

Brighton probably don't want to loan him to a rival.

[BigGaz]

He and his agent will do as they like of course but in my eyes for a non scoring striker, which is what he is at the moment, what better way to get your confidence back up than having 6 months in a league where hw should theoretically be banging them in.

As unfortunate as it is, Leeds have a better sell than us at the moment in that regard.

They top big chances created, chances, shots on target and second in big chances missed. "It's all on a plate for you lad, you just have to knock them in".

Could also go the other way, if he does do that and has 6 months like the last 6 then that is probably the end of him being talked about as one of Europe's most promising talents and he can say cheerio to that big move.

[Walt]

He and his agent will do as they like of course but in my eyes for a non scoring striker, which is what he is at the moment, what better way to get your confidence back up than having 6 months in a league where hw should theoretically be banging them in.

As unfortunate as it is, Leeds have a better sell than us at the moment in that regard.

They top big chances created, chances, shots on target and second in big chances missed. "It's all on a plate for you lad, you just have to knock them in".

Could also go the other way, if he does do that and has 6 months like the last 6 then that is probably the end of him being talked about as one of Europe's most promising talents and he can say cheerio to that big move.

Cullen might have a word with him, could swing it in our favour. Having said that, I can't see him dropping to the Championship.

[NewClaret]

Marc Guiu looks sharp - only playing for a seriously weakened Chelsea side against Shamrock Rovers I know but very aggressive and scored a first half hat trick. 18 years old bought from Barcelona for 6million. Maybe Scott has Chelsea contacts from his time there

That is a brilliant shout.

Would bring a future superstar to the Turf for a few months.

[hoosier-daddy]

For those who have seen him play, what are people's thoughts on Sonne? As he appears to be signing once the window opens.

[hoosier-daddy]

A bit about Trafford:

According to journalist Craig Hope of The Daily Mail, the Magpies could make a renewed attempt to sign Burnley goalkeeper James Trafford in 2025.

Newcastle were heavily linked with a move for the 22-year-old goalkeeper during the summer window, but the two sides couldn’t reach an agreement.

Hope writes that “sources say” the interest in Trafford from Newcastle remains strong, but they probably will not be able to strike a deal in January.

He is a key player for Burnley, and they are in the hunt for promotion back to the Premier League. As a result, they may not be willing to do business next month.

[warksclaret]

Not being funny but for me his value should have gone up as a result of a great first half season

[bumba]

A bit about Trafford:

According to journalist Craig Hope of The Daily Mail, the Magpies could make a renewed attempt to sign Burnley goalkeeper James Trafford in 2025.

Newcastle were heavily linked with a move for the 22-year-old goalkeeper during the summer window, but the two sides couldn’t reach an agreement.

Hope writes that “sources say” the interest in Trafford from Newcastle remains strong, but they probably will not be able to strike a deal in January.

He is a key player for Burnley, and they are in the hunt for promotion back to the Premier League. As a result, they may not be willing to do business next month.

He's improved this season due to the lower level and not having as much to do but feel Hladky and Green would be fine until the summer if we get the right money and a sell on clause then I'd be tempted so we can strengthen in other areas.
Sometimes selling one players gives you a stronger squad if the money is spent wisely

[NewClaret]

For those who have seen him play, what are people's thoughts on Sonne? As he appears to be signing once the window opens.

Whilst you’re waiting for all the Silkeborg/Peru fans to arrive, this is worth a watch:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UTDlnobmOa4

10 minutes of his every touch vs Chile.

My observations:

- Skillful. Some great flicks. Not everyone’s cup of tea but personally I pay to see a bit of skill so that’s exciting. Sits a defender down at one point.
- Seems hard working although not sure what position he was playing in this game as doesn’t look very disciplined if it was right back - looks more midfield at times.
- Looks very comfortable on the ball, good in the build up.
- Gets forward and supports really well.
- Likes to dive in to tackles.

My question marks would be around his pace and acceleration. The games I’ve seen him in almost look like walking football so hard to know what pace he has. On the face of it looks a really positive and exciting signing for our current level.

[hoosier-daddy]

My question marks would be around his pace and acceleration. The games I’ve seen him in almost look like walking football so hard to know what pace he has. On the face of it looks a really positive and exciting signing for our current level.

True, but I guess Roberts has never been quick.

[NewClaret]

He's improved this season due to the lower level and not having as much to do but feel Hladky and Green would be fine until the summer if we get the right money and a sell on clause then I'd be tempted so we can strengthen in other areas.
Sometimes selling one players gives you a stronger squad if the money is spent wisely

Agree with your post but also feel he’s pulled off a few top saves that others wouldn’t and those fine margins will be important at the end of the season.

I also think his value will only increase, especially if we are promoted, so I wouldn’t sell early.

ALK need to find a way to support Parker with what he needs without selling our best players this window, in my view.

[NewClaret]

True, but I guess Roberts has never been quick.

And that’s why I don’t think he’s ever become an established premier league player.

If I’m honest, in that division I think we need 4 rapid and incredibly strong athletes across the back line with less focus on their attacking or creative abilities.

[kaptin1]

He's improved this season due to the lower level and not having as much to do but feel Hladky and Green would be fine until the summer if we get the right money and a sell on clause then I'd be tempted so we can strengthen in other areas.
Sometimes selling one players gives you a stronger squad if the money is spent wisely

Given Pickford went to Everton for £25m in 2017 having not previously played in the Prem but having had a similar background to Trafford at England youth and under 21 level, you'd hope we would want at least that much for Trafford. He's clearly highly rated, even if he did have a tough time last year, and is doing a lot better this year (albeit agree the lower level is a major contributing factor). That said, I was particularly impressed with his performance at Norwich with the two successive punched clearances and save which he probably would have got nowhere near last year. If we do sell in January then maybe we could loan him back until summer?

[Big Vinny K]

There's no way Brighton will loan him to a Championship club if they can get some sort of guarantee he'll play in the PL.

Agreed.
Loan him to one of the teams fighting relegation and gives those teams a better chance of beating Brighton’s rivals and finishing in a European spot. Of course he would not be able to play against Brighton either. Could even go to a team as strong as West Ham who have just lost Antonio. A team that strong could take loads of points from the top 8 or 10 teams.

If he goes to the championship not really sure what that achieves. He’ll be expected to and probably will score goals. But does nothing to prove he is good enough to play in EPL or for Brighton.

[bumba]

Given Pickford went to Everton for £25m in 2017 having not previously played in the Prem but having had a similar background to Trafford at England youth and under 21 level, you'd hope we would want at least that much for Trafford. He's clearly highly rated, even if he did have a tough time last year, and is doing a lot better this year (albeit agree the lower level is a major contributing factor). That said, I was particularly impressed with his performance at Norwich with the two successive punched clearances and save which he probably would have got nowhere near last year. If we do sell in January then maybe we could loan him back until summer?

If we could sell and loan back that'd be the ideal scenario as long as we had some cash up front to strengthen the squad elsewhere

[NewClaret]

Given Pickford went to Everton for £25m in 2017 having not previously played in the Prem but having had a similar background to Trafford at England youth and under 21 level, you'd hope we would want at least that much for Trafford. He's clearly highly rated, even if he did have a tough time last year, and is doing a lot better this year (albeit agree the lower level is a major contributing factor). That said, I was particularly impressed with his performance at Norwich with the two successive punched clearances and save which he probably would have got nowhere near last year. If we do sell in January then maybe we could loan him back until summer?

Great post and comparison.

I think £25m is the absolute bare minimum. I thought that anyway but your example is the exact type of precedent/data point that we will be using to determine and justify a valuation.

I think £30-£35m would be nearer what we are looking for to let him go now. You’d be making the case to potential buyers that the market has moved on since 2017 and you’re buying a keeper with at least a 15 year career ahead of him.

If we got a loan back deal, maybe that sways it lower. If we keep hold until summer and go up though, I imagine we’ll be looking more towards the top end of that figure. Keep him for another season in the premier league and with a good season behind him & it’d be even more, I’d have thought.

I think overall Pace needs to keep these assets a bit longer if he wants to maximise their value, but as per bumbas post, may decide he can make the overall squad stronger by selling sooner.

[hoosier-daddy]

Keep him for another season in the premier league and with a good season behind him & it’d be even more, I’d have thought.

Although I can't see us keeping him for another season, there's the World Cup in 2026. He could rocket up even more if he had a good tournament.

[NewClaret]

Although I can't see us keeping him for another season, there's the World Cup in 2026. He could rocket up even more if he had a good tournament.

Good point.

The thing we have in our favour is he’s walked through the door and been #1 here basically from the get go, bar 12 or so games last year which I’m sure a young player would understand. If he went to Newcastle I doubt that would be the case straight away.

Also, being realistic, a move on from Newcastle to a top club becomes a lot harder as Newcastle won’t want or need to sell in the way we would, so maybe 18 months here and then to a top 4 side could be a better route for him.

This could all be pointless chat if the club have promised him a move in Jan to stay and stem the flow of outgoings in summer, but I really think Pace has to hold on to assets longer to maximise their value.

[hoosier-daddy]

This could all be pointless chat if the club have promised him a move in Jan to stay and stem the flow of outgoings in summer, but I really think Pace has to hold on to assets longer to maximise their value.

Somebody mentioned on here that Pace had said (maybe suggested) that we wouldn't be selling any of our best players next month.

I can't remember who posted it, but if he did say that then I guess next summer is more likely.

Selling your number 1 keeper when promotion is realistic seems a bit mad to me. We'd earn more from the promotion than we would selling him, even if it was for over the odds.

[Vegas Claret]

Somebody mentioned on here that Pace had said (maybe suggested) that we wouldn't be selling any of our best players next month.

I can't remember who posted it, but if he did say that then I guess next summer is more likely.

Selling your number 1 keeper when promotion is realistic seems a bit mad to me. We'd earn more from the promotion than we would selling him, even if it was for over the odds.

He doesn't say that mate, minute 57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-ZpdLLqvs

[NewClaret]

Somebody mentioned on here that Pace had said (maybe suggested) that we wouldn't be selling any of our best players next month.

I can't remember who posted it, but if he did say that then I guess next summer is more likely.

Selling your number 1 keeper when promotion is realistic seems a bit mad to me. We'd earn more from the promotion than we would selling him, even if it was for over the odds.

From memory he basically said he doesn’t expect a lot of outgoings or incomings and also that we don’t have a big track record of selling in January - which is true. Of course historic actions don’t necessarily dictate future ones.

For me it’s as simple as if he wants to really create capital from trading he needs to hold the assets long enough to maximise the return. Which also happens to be the best strategy for the club because turnover brings instability which impedes success on the field. For me it’s just whether our finances allow for such patience.

[hoosier-daddy]

He doesn't say that mate, minute 57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-ZpdLLqvs

Ah ok, I'd not watched that. He does seem to suggest selling in the Winter window isn't something you do.

[IWOODLOVETT]

About a month ago in one of Parker’s interviews he singled out Koleosho and Trafford as two ‘young players with enormous potential’. No one else just those two, which struck me at the time as an invitation to potential buyers.

I now think that this may have been the manager’s way of testing the market and if substantial bids came in those were the two that he could cash in on without significantly upsetting the squad and system.
Watch this space.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

About a month ago in one of Parker’s interviews he singled out Koleosho and Trafford as two ‘young players with enormous potential’. No one else just those two, which struck me at the time as an invitation to potential buyers.

I now think that this may have been the manager’s way of testing the market and if substantial bids came in those were the two that he could cash in on without significantly upsetting the squad and system.
Watch this space.

If someone comes in with a substantial bid for Kolesho I hope we snap their hand off. Much better wingers available out there.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The irony on Luca is he has the pace and balance to really panic Premier League defences but not yet the nous and experience to find his way through a packed Championship defence.

So it may well be that a £25m purchase is great value for a PL club but also great value for BFC.

But…..if we go up we could flip that on its head, we need players like him in the PL, so not an easy decision.

[Cooclaret]

If we could sell and loan back that'd be the ideal scenario as long as we had some cash up front to strengthen the squad elsewhere

That’s what Man City have done with us.

James Trafford knows where he’s going next. He knows that he’s Englands next #1.

[Woodleyclaret]

Luca is £40 m or we keep him.We sold Odebert too soon and too cheap and need to keep our top players

[bobinho]

A bit about Trafford:

According to journalist Craig Hope of The Daily Mail, the Magpies could make a renewed attempt to sign Burnley goalkeeper James Trafford in 2025.

Newcastle were heavily linked with a move for the 22-year-old goalkeeper during the summer window, but the two sides couldn’t reach an agreement.

Hope writes that “sources say” the interest in Trafford from Newcastle remains strong, but they probably will not be able to strike a deal in January.

He is a key player for Burnley, and they are in the hunt for promotion back to the Premier League. As a result, they may not be willing to do business next month.

£40m. Or do one.

No way should we be letting them take the best young English goalkeeper in England for silly money like they did with Pope.

[fatboy47]

Wasn't it mooted last year that City had a buyback option agreed?

[NewClaret]

Wasn't it mooted last year that City had a buyback option agreed?

Yes at three times the sale price apparently.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Luca is £40 m or we keep him.We sold Odebert too soon and too cheap and need to keep our top players

40 million! Pace will be laughing his way to the bank.

[1HappyClaret]

According to some credible X accounts Oliver Sonne has signed a 4 1/2 year contract after passing medical yesterday.

[hoosier-daddy]

Latest is that Kompany wants Koleosho at Bayern, but not until the summer. So if Wolves want him next month, they need to pay up, although £40 million is unlikely.

[NewClaret]

Latest is that Kompany wants Koleosho at Bayern, but not until the summer. So if Wolves want him next month, they need to pay up, although £40 million is unlikely.

Where’s that come from?

[hoosier-daddy]

Where’s that come from?

Football League World.

[NewClaret]

According to some credible X accounts Oliver Sonne has signed a 4 1/2 year contract after passing medical yesterday.

That makes 2HappyClarets!

Very impressed with how we’ve gone about that business quickly.

[hoosier-daddy]

According to some credible X accounts Oliver Sonne has signed a 4 1/2 year contract after passing medical yesterday.

How does it work with the window not yet open. Is it a pre-contract agreement?

[DCWat]

That makes 2HappyClarets!

Very impressed with how we’ve gone about that business quickly.

Hopefully one or two more missing jigsaw pieces are found, not too long after Christmas.

[Row x]

How does it work with the window not yet open. Is it a pre-contract agreement?

Just cannot play till 1st jan