Pace on Tresor

[fidelcastro]

Unfortunately none of the reporters at the press conferences seem to have the bottle to pin SP down so we get a bit of a none reply off him

SP was asked about him today at the press conference and said he had a "dead leg".

Unless you think he was lying, I'm not sure what else they could ask.

[Casper2]

SP was asked about him today at the press conference and said he had a "dead leg".

Unless you think he was lying, I'm not sure what else they could ask.

Thought they weren’t giving out any information on injuries?

[fidelcastro]

Thought they weren’t giving out any information on injuries?

Well, he did today.

Not always the case though.

[dougcollins]

'Dead leg' is obviously the contemporary version of 'Toe injury'.

[Casper2]

Well, he did today.

Not always the case though.

When it’s suits / bullshit

[Stonehouse]

SP was asked about him today at the press conference and said he had a "dead leg".

Unless you think he was lying, I'm not sure what else they could ask.

It always seems like a last minute afterthought when the question arises,not lying but a bit economical with the truth.

[Ric_C]

Said a few months ago in the other chat about this, that we would be strung along until they run out of excuses, then Tresor will pick up a niggle, just to keep him out of contention long enough for the January window to open.

It's all been pretty textbook so far

[Jakubclaret]

Said a few months ago in the other chat about this, that we would be strung along until they run out of excuses, then Tresor will pick up a niggle, just to keep him out of contention long enough for the January window to open.

It's all been pretty textbook so far

It's never been any different to be fair. It comes as no real great surprise how gullible some people are. You wouldn't get somebody of his calibre & pedigree not featuring in a side beset with injuries & lacking creativity on a forward front it just wouldn't happen hell or high water you'd find a way for inclusion.

[KlyBfc]

The man has a dead head

[Steddyman]

Dead Leg. Isn't that what you used to get at school if someone punched you in the thigh and you fixed it by walking it off for 5 mins?

[DCWat]

I’m not ITK, far from it in fact but my take on it is simply he’s not playing because of the cost of his wages. The stall when he signed was indeed his wage demands and I bet he’s on the higher side of appearance money etc.

Best bet would just to get him gone in Jan, more likely a loan, free up a wage or two or three given his wedge and crack on.

Looked like an unrealistic signing initially and one that’s clearly not worked. Like most have said, he does not want to be here, he did not want to sign for us.

Will never be accepted by the fans now so just move him on and take the hit !

He was brought into the Longside lounge before a game, soon after signing. He certainly didn’t look delighted to be with us, from that fleeting introduction.

That’s a very harsh judgement of someone, who might just be a shy / reserved character, but everything since then; his performances on the pitch, his Instagram post, his absence this season when apparently fit, all point to him not wanting to be here.

Ultimately, it needs resolving quickly for the benefit of both parties.

[Jakubclaret]

With some of the bad eggs we've had (pardon the pun) it's been a rapid recruitment transition from dychey cooking omelettes to more or less interviewing people in pubs you can easily draw that. Drinkwater & dale Stephens weren't great but a damn sight of an improvement on WW & MT with the outlay & productivity output. FFS research people or employ people that can!

[NewClaret]

With some of the bad eggs we've had (pardon the pun) it's been a rapid recruitment transition from dychey cooking omelettes to more or less interviewing people in pubs you can easily draw that. Drinkwater & dale Stephens weren't great but a damn sight of an improvement on WW & MT with the outlay & productivity output. FFS research people or employ people that can!

Hard to draw a conclusion Drinkwater & Stephens delivered any more productivity than WW & MT - they’ve all been bad signings. If you mean at least we didn’t pay for the former I take your point.

[Jakubclaret]

Hard to draw a conclusion Drinkwater & Stephens delivered any more productivity than WW & MT - they’ve all been bad signings. If you mean at least we didn’t pay for the former I take your point.

Hard on your luck we must be 1 of the favorite destinations going. In wages we did regarding the former & won't recoup much on the last 2 mentioned.

[NewClaret]

He was brought into the Longside lounge before a game, soon after signing. He certainly didn’t look delighted to be with us, from that fleeting introduction.

That’s a very harsh judgement of someone, who might just be a shy / reserved character, but everything since then; his performances on the pitch, his Instagram post, his absence this season when apparently fit, all point to him not wanting to be here.

Ultimately, it needs resolving quickly for the benefit of both parties.

I thought Pace came across well in the Fan Forum as a general rule but the whole “lessons learned from the relegation season” is an area I’d have hoped to see more honesty and detail on what he’d do differently.

One of them would be not trying too hard to sign players. If you have to work too hard for their signature, as Tresor’s interview suggested, it’s probably not a healthy start.

That said, Kompany had just had a season where everyone he signed had been fantastic and he had the golden touch. Everyone was buoyant so probably thought they could overcome any reservations once he was through the door.

It’s his agents problem now though. He’s the one who has to find him a move at terms we’ll accept.

[KRBFC]

I’m not ITK, far from it in fact but my take on it is simply he’s not playing because of the cost of his wages. The stall when he signed was indeed his wage demands and I bet he’s on the higher side of appearance money etc.

Best bet would just to get him gone in Jan, more likely a loan, free up a wage or two or three given his wedge and crack on.

Looked like an unrealistic signing initially and one that’s clearly not worked. Like most have said, he does not want to be here, he did not want to sign for us.

Will never be accepted by the fans now so just move him on and take the hit !

Non of that is true, Matt Williams cleared it up.

[Bowclaret]

Non of that is true, Matt Williams cleared it up.

“Non of that is true”

OK then !!

[Nonayforever]

SP was asked about him today at the press conference and said he had a "dead leg".

Unless you think he was lying, I'm not sure what else they could ask.

I hope it was SP that gave it him.

[Ampth7]

He signed the contract when the going was good in the top flight that landscape changed upon relegation & now he's not interested but stuck.

Yes, I agree, but he must have known there was a high chance of relegation! I mean, it’s not as though lots of promoted teams stay up!!

Unfortunately for him, he was utter garbage when he did play, which essentially nullified the ‘shop window’ effect that players like Odobert and O’Shea benefited from.

It’s all very well him spitting his dummy out when the move in the summer collapsed, but if I was him, or if I was advising him, I think he would be wise to grow a pair, knuckle down and earn the right to move on to pastures new! Who’s going to buy/loan him in January based on his ‘efforts’ for the past 12 months?

I do appreciate that I am presuming this is the reason for his absence, but as others have pointed out, unless someone higher up at the club tells us otherwise, you do have to wonder!

[Rileybobs]

Yes, I agree, but he must have known there was a high chance of relegation! I mean, it’s not as though lots of promoted teams stay up!!

Unfortunately for him, he was utter garbage when he did play, which essentially nullified the ‘shop window’ effect that players like Odobert and O’Shea benefited from.

It’s all very well him spitting his dummy out when the move in the summer collapsed, but if I was him, or if I was advising him, I think he would be wise to grow a pair, knuckle down and earn the right to move on to pastures new! Who’s going to buy/loan him in January based on his ‘efforts’ for the past 12 months?

I do appreciate that I am presuming this is the reason for his absence, but as others have pointed out, unless someone higher up at the club tells us otherwise, you do have to wonder!

I’m pretty sure he’ll have something lined up.

[Aclaret]

Yes, I agree, but he must have known there was a high chance of relegation! I mean, it’s not as though lots of promoted teams stay up!!
....or he must have had a very good, persuasive agent on big commission at the time !

[Jakubclaret]

Yes, I agree, but he must have known there was a high chance of relegation! I mean, it’s not as though lots of promoted teams stay up!!

Unfortunately for him, he was utter garbage when he did play, which essentially nullified the ‘shop window’ effect that players like Odobert and O’Shea benefited from.

It’s all very well him spitting his dummy out when the move in the summer collapsed, but if I was him, or if I was advising him, I think he would be wise to grow a pair, knuckle down and earn the right to move on to pastures new! Who’s going to buy/loan him in January based on his ‘efforts’ for the past 12 months?

I do appreciate that I am presuming this is the reason for his absence, but as others have pointed out, unless someone higher up at the club tells us otherwise, you do have to wonder!

It's a mess of our making I honestly believe we don't know the first thing about people prior to signing them. He'll move on eventually & in the meantime he's quite content making life changing sums (to some people) doing absolutely nothing apart from kicking a ball about down at gawthorpe & modelling some merchandise.

[boatshed bill]

It's a mess of our making I honestly believe we don't know the first thing about people prior to signing them. He'll move on eventually & in the meantime he's quite content making life changing sums (to some people) doing absolutely nothing apart from kicking a ball about down at gawthorpe & modelling some merchandise.

I'm not sure that you are right with your "perfectly happy" assumption. He may be very unhappy for all any of us knows.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm not sure that you are right with your "perfectly happy" assumption. He may be very unhappy for all any of us knows.

He's making a lot money whichever way you look at it for not doing much. Could he make more elsewhere perhaps you are right. I don't care if he's happy or not he's leeching from the club.

[boatshed bill]

He's making a lot money whichever way you look at it for not doing much. Could he make more elsewhere perhaps you are right. I don't care if he's happy or not he's leeching from the club.

life isn't just about making money though, is it?

[billyhamilton82]

'Dead leg' is obviously the contemporary version of 'Toe injury'.

I was thinking exactly the same.

Ironically Whittaker has been out for a while and won't return until January with a "toe injury"

I personally wouldn't be surprised if the reason we didn't sign Whittaker in the last window was because the Tresor deal fell through and now its all set up for January, Tresor out - Whittaker in.

[Jakubclaret]

life isn't just about making money though, is it?

It can certainly make things more comfortable.

[boatshed bill]

It can certainly make things more comfortable.

It's not a "given" though.

[boatshed bill]

I was thinking exactly the same.

Ironically Whittaker has been out for a while and won't return until January with a "toe injury"

I personally wouldn't be surprised if the reason we didn't sign Whittaker in the last window was because the Tresor deal fell through and now its all set up for January, Tresor out - Whittaker in.

Isn't a dead leg hard to disprove?

[Hedontplayforyou]

Give them Obafemi and get Whittaker a bit cheaper . Gives us some left footed balance from the right then

[Jakubclaret]

It's not a "given" though.

It's not but if somebody was to offer me a choice where I could choose to have shedloads of cash or have next to nothing I would choose the first choice. I personally don't blame MT like I said it's a mess of our own making.

[boatshed bill]

It's not but if somebody was to offer me a choice where I could choose to have shedloads of cash or have next to nothing I would choose the first choice. I personally don't blame MT like I said it's a mess of our own making.

Strange, because if I was offered the option I'd take being happy over wealthy. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

[Jakubclaret]

Strange, because if I was offered the option I'd take being happy over wealthy. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

Can you not have both? Without 100% guarantees is it not more likely a probability that if you have wealth happiness will ensue no guarantees of course. I'm not sure why we are exploring MTs level of happiness anyway the man's on the take & I don't blame him for exploiting the favourable hand.

[boatshed bill]

Can you not have both? Without 100% guarantees is it not more likely a probability that if you have wealth happiness will ensue no guarantees of course. I'm not sure why we are exploring MTs level of happiness anyway the man's on the take & I don't blame him for exploiting the favourable hand.

I wouldn't have mentioned his assumed happiness, but you did.

[Jakubclaret]

I wouldn't have mentioned his assumed happiness, but you did.

I don't give a flying in a rolling doughnut about his state of happiness but if was to have a wild guess the guy isn't doing too bad at the moment.

[boatshed bill]

Give them Obafemi and get Whittaker a bit cheaper . Gives us some left footed balance from the right then

i'm not so sure about that.

[123EasyasBFC]

I would love Whittaker to sign for us, we are perfect club for him to find last seasons form. For me Whittaker is the sort of player who can become a prem player, like Semenyo has at Bournemouth

[Stonehouse]

Strange, because if I was offered the option I'd take being happy over wealthy. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

When your in your mid 20’s I don’t think you even consider the difference between wealth ,health or happiness,when in later life through personal experiences you realise that it’s only really health that matters and the rest isn’t worth a penny ,one day Mr Tresor may look back and think what a prat he was when he could have been doing what thousands would have loved to do if we’d have had the ability ,there’s only him who knows if he’s taken us for a ride and if he has then I hope he’ll regret it .

[Jakubclaret]

I'm not even sure why BB was arguing the toss the guys on a good number or even bringing whether he's happy or unhappy into play. He's getting paid thousands on a weekly basis for doing next to bugger all that's all there is to it.

[Billyblah]

So let's forget the "dead leg" or any other injury. During the BBC Radio Lancs broadcast for the Watford game, the BBC Lancs reporter (can't recall his name) stated that "one Burnley player is refusing to play" ....can only be Tresor. With this in mind, he can only be engineering his own exit come January.
In terms of recouping a cool £15m I'm not too sure how marketable a player is who
a( hasn't played for quite a few months and
b) is refusing to play.
That said, a player who is refusing to play is surely in breach of contract and won't be being paid by the employer

[ecc]

So let's forget the "dead leg" or any other injury. During the BBC Radio Lancs broadcast for the Watford game, the BBC Lancs reporter (can't recall his name) stated that "one Burnley player is refusing to play" ....can only be Tresor. With this in mind, he can only be engineering his own exit come January.
In terms of recouping a cool £15m I'm not too sure how marketable a player is who
a( hasn't played for quite a few months and
b) is refusing to play.
That said, a player who is refusing to play is surely in breach of contract and won't be being paid by the employer

There must be a reason why he is not in breach of contract.

[Goliath]

There must be a reason why he is not in breach of contract.

I still think it points towards him not agreeing to being fit to play after the illness.

[Commy]

He isn't doing his international chances much good either. Only got into the national team last year and has played two.

[Andreshotboots]

I starters a thread a few weeks ago after I'd attended the meeting with MW and the chairman,and MW categorically stated Tresor wasn't going anywhere.

However, in my opinion this seems to have changed. All I can possibly sumisie not is that as a club we're just trying to get him fit as a fit player is far more saleable than an unfit one, especially in January.

My views are good riddance if that's the case, we seem to have a fabulous team spirit, and bad apples are not what we need, especially with the next few games we have on the horizon.

MT could have been great for us, but he was the absolute opposite...but that's football as they say...

[Poulton-le-Claret]

That said, a player who is refusing to play is surely in breach of contract and won't be being paid by the employer

If he is smart, he will be fulfilling the wording on his contract to get paid, but doing the absolute bare minimum in terms of effort, so although technically available, Parker would be mad to pick him.

[willsclarets]

I wonder if Lyon are interested

[Conroy92]

I wonder if Lyon are interested

Since the links to Benrahma came out I've wondered the same

[warksclaret]

I starters a thread a few weeks ago after I'd attended the meeting with MW and the chairman,and MW categorically stated Tresor wasn't going anywhere.

However, in my opinion this seems to have changed. All I can possibly sumisie not is that as a club we're just trying to get him fit as a fit player is far more saleable than an unfit one, especially in January.

My views are good riddance if that's the case, we seem to have a fabulous team spirit, and bad apples are not what we need, especially with the next few games we have on the horizon.

MT could have been great for us, but he was the absolute opposite...but that's football as they say...

Guess this is very sensitive and club has to be very careful what they say about this alleged footballer to protect his future value

[BurnleyFC]

Snap Lyon’s hands off if they want to entertain a deal between this waste of space and Benrahma.

[willsclarets]

Guess this is very sensitive and club has to be very careful what they say about this alleged footballer to protect his future value

Let's be frank, if we know he's refusing to play so does every club with any interest. We've done absolutely nothing to protect his value by pretending he's injured. There might be some value in terms of keeping the conversations in pressers etc down to a minimum, but in terms of value it's already priced in by suitors.