Parker - In or Out

[burnley007]

PLEASE find a new agenda it's so so soooooooooooooo tedious

I have literally no idea why you say that?

I'm just pointing out that this is a forum, to discuss issues, I didn't give any opinion on the manager whatsoever.

People on here are a bit peculiar

[123EasyasBFC]

I have literally no idea why you say that?

I'm just pointing out that this is a forum, to discuss issues, I didn't give any opinion on the manager whatsoever.

People on here are a bit peculiar

All you have done since Parker was appointed is give a constant negative opinion about him on multiple threads

[louieollie]

I have literally no idea why you say that?

I'm just pointing out that this is a forum, to discuss issues, I didn't give any opinion on the manager whatsoever.

People on here are a bit peculiar

Non more so than the ones that constantly drill home the same negative pap and re appear when we don't win

[BigGaz]

#Fulham & #Bournemouth fans getting another shout out. Just need a mention of #Southgate for Bingo here.

I am not sure what the discourse is and can't be arsed trawling back through the thread to find out what. Is it not fair comment that three sets of clubs are reporting similar experiences?

[Mattster]

As said, couldn’t give a monkeys about their (or anybody else’s) squad, don’t know many beyond first team.

I’m just enjoying watching our team come together as the season progresses, quite a journey from where we were v Sunderland.

Right, we've established you'll duck the question because you can't justify Parker overachieving on anything other than "we've had a tough 18 months". When did the tough 18 months start / finish btw?

[kentonclaret]

He's in for me, and that is completely on merit. He deserves the chance to lead us to the Premier League, and at least a season if he gets us there. He also, barring a monumental collapse, deserves the chance to lead us again in the championship if we don't go up.

I also agree he's been dealt a shitty hand.

The one thing that I'm inclined to disagree with is that once he's got the side playing how he wants after getting them gelling and all the players he wants that we're going to finally marry our defensive mastery to some irresistible attacking. We're not. Fulham and Bournemouth fans told us what we were getting - that we would be defensively solid and give little away but we'd struggle to create chances and it would often be a tough watch. This is his football and whether you like it or not you should find ways to enjoy it as long as he's here because it's not going to change too much.

Bournemouth finished runners up to Fulham in that Championship season scoring the second highest number of goals 74 with the best defensive record conceding only 39. But Bournemouth fans now reckon that the team struggled to create chances despite them finishing the season as second highest scorers. Heaven knows what the fans of 3 of the other top 6 teams thought of their manager having scored at least 10 goals fewer than Bournemouth that season.

[Jakubclaret]

Surprised this thread is still running. With recent results & the league table where it is in most sane minds it should be beyond doubt that parkers the man. You'd expect more of a thread resurrection if things were going sh1tshaped but right now things couldn't be much better maybe above Leeds but can hardly complain.

[dsr]

Surprised this thread is still running. With recent results & the league table where it is in most sane minds it should be beyond doubt that parkers the man. You'd expect more of a thread resurrection if things were going [deleted] but right now things couldn't be much better maybe above Leeds but can hardly complain.

It's the same old problem. Some people go to Turf Moor to see how many points we get and they don't really care about the football. Some people (many fewer) want to see a good game of football and don't much care about the result. But there are a lot in the middle who want Burnley to win but also want to see a good game of football; when it is a rotten game of football, especially if Burnley don't win, then we're unhappy.

I get that we all want Burnley to win. But why? If the ambition, without end, is to draw 0-0 or win 1-0 in the most boring manner imaginable, then there comes a time (for some of us) that it isn't worth forking out the brass any more. I go to football to watch the match, not the balance sheet.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I'd be interested to hear which teams you think have stronger first elevens and squads than ourself for you to consider Parker to be overachieving?

You yourself said we will finish between 3rd and 5th as that is where you rank our squad.

Why don't you tell everyone which are the 2-4 squads that are stronger and then you can also admit that Parker is overachieving as he is higher than you think he should be and factoring the weird agenda you have with him.

[Holtyclaret]

Right, we've established you'll duck the question because you can't justify Parker overachieving on anything other than "we've had a tough 18 months". When did the tough 18 months start / finish btw?

Not ducking nothing apart from your odd agenda/trying to be clever.

Have a wonderful day UTC

[Clovius Boofus]

Some people come to this forum in order to moan, moan and moan. I suppose it serves a purpose - stops them ranting at random strangers in the street.

[Commy]

I agree with it's a hard watch, which puts you off doing a 500 mile round trip. I was thinking of going to the Stoke match but decided against it and was glad I didn't go. We are second though so he is doing the job he is paid to do. If we do go up, Premier League teams won't be sat behind the ball and, hopefully, our defence will be much better than last time.

[Mattster]

You yourself said we will finish between 3rd and 5th as that is where you rank our squad.

Why don't you tell everyone which are the 2-4 squads that are stronger and then you can also admit that Parker is overachieving as he is higher than you think he should be and factoring the weird agenda you have with him.

I said I think we'd finish 3rd - 5th. I never said our squad strength was that, I've consistently said we're equal of Leeds as the strongest squad and stronger than Sheffield United. I can link the posts if you'd like.

[Mattster]

Not ducking nothing apart from your odd agenda/trying to be clever.

Have a wonderful day UTC

He says, ducking another question.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I said I think we'd finish 3rd - 5th. I never said our squad strength was that, I've consistently said we're equal of Leeds as the strongest squad and stronger than Sheffield United. I can link the posts if you'd like.

Ah right I get you, we have the joint best squad but will finish between 3rd and 5th. So it is because of Parker we will finish lower than where we should is that it ?

[Mattster]

Ah right I get you, we have the joint best squad but will finish between 3rd and 5th. So it is because of Parker we will finish lower than where we should is that it ?

Yes, that's what I think.

[Blyclaret]

As Burnley are 2nd in league means Parker is doing better than your prediction. Well done Scott Parker.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Yes, that's what I think.

Good to see you admit then he is overachieving in your eyes, despite trying hard to claim he isn't.

[Spijed]

Yes, that's what I think.

So to finish 5th Boro would have to make up 11 points. You really think that's even remotely possible from what you've seen this season from either side?

[Mattster]

Good to see you admit then he is overachieving in your eyes, despite trying hard to claim he isn't.

It means he's either achieving as would be expected with the squad he has available (or underachieving if you consider Sheffield United's point deduction).

But nice try.

[Mattster]

So to finish 5th Boro would have to make up 11 points. You really think that's even remotely possible from what you've seen this season from either side?

3rd to 5th was my early season prediction. I don't think 11 points is insurmountable given how narrow our margins are in our results though it is unlikely. But you've gone for the extreme there anyway - if you consider the Sheffield United points deduction we've earned the 3rd greatest total of points. Which would put us slap bang in that predicted range (and if we extrapolate points/results over the season that is where we would end up even including the points deduction)

[dandeclaret]

3rd to 5th was my early season prediction. I don't think 11 points is insurmountable given how narrow our margins are in our results though it is unlikely. But you've gone for the extreme there anyway - if you consider the Sheffield United points deduction we've earned the 3rd greatest total of points. Which would put us slap bang in that predicted range (and if we extrapolate points/results over the season that is where we would end up even including the points deduction)

Is form consistent throughout a season? Can it just be straight line extrapolated? Is that how league's have worked out historically?

[Mattster]

Is form consistent throughout a season? Can it just be straight line extrapolated? Is that how league's have worked out historically?

Did I say it was?

I didn't bring up my predicted finish, I was asked it, criticised for it, questioned about it and asked to justify it. I was just explaining we've earned the 3rd greatest total of points out of sides in the league for that reason.

[CaptJohn]

He's being pragmatic with the players at his disposal and getting results. In fact if the players were slightly steadier in front of goal we'd be six points better off. Anthony at Hull, Brownhill at Boro and more recently Laurent at home to Stoke all missed good chances to secure wins. Plus if the ref away at WBA hadn't disallowed a perfectly good goal from Anthony we'd be two points better off. So we could be six points clear at the top with no one questioning Parker's ability at all.

[brexit]

Surprised this thread is still running. With recent results & the league table where it is in most sane minds it should be beyond doubt that parkers the man. You'd expect more of a thread resurrection if things were going sh1tshaped but right now things couldn't be much better maybe above Leeds but can hardly complain.

This is thread is still running because the "prepare for the second coming of the ginger messiah" cultists are still posting.
And as it Thursday, and it is apparently freezing in Burnley most of them can't get out to collect their pensions and then go to a local supermarket, stare into space and block the aisles.

[Mattster]

He's being pragmatic with the players at his disposal and getting results. In fact if the players were slightly steadier in front of goal we'd be six points better off. Anthony at Hull, Brownhill at Boro and more recently Laurent at home to Stoke all missed good chances to secure wins. Plus if the ref away at WBA hadn't disallowed a perfectly good goal from Anthony we'd be two points better off. So we could be six points clear at the top with no one questioning Parker's ability at all.

Every team misses chances. Every team in the league will have "if that goes in / wasn't disallowed" moments.

Statistically we have overperformed on our chances more than Sheffield United and Leeds (who have underperformed on the chances created). We're the better finishers of the top 3, expecting us to overperform more is a stretch.

[burnley007]

This is thread is still running because the "prepare for the second coming of the ginger messiah" cultists are still posting.
And as it Thursday, and it is apparently freezing in Burnley most of them can't get out to collect their pensions and then go to a local supermarket, stare into space and block the aisles.

I literally had no idea what you were rambling on about, then I saw your user name and suddenly it all made sense...

[brexit]

I literally had no idea what you were rambling on about, then I saw your user name and suddenly it all made sense...

we must be twins because that is my usual response to your posts

[Guller Bull]

The way I see this thread is that you have RowX on the far side of the pro SP cheerleaders and 007 way out on the sack him now side.

Everyone else is just rumbling around In their respective hinterlands.

It doesn’t make you a “thicko” or a happy clapper it just means you have varying opinions on a subject.

Live and let live, boring old ******g world if we all felt the same about everything.

To try to keep justifying and scoring petty points is not going to change anyone else’s opinion

And lastly, peace and love man! ( Can you tell I am lying on a sun bed in Morocco by the crashing waves of the Atlantic in 24 degs).

[houseboy]

It's probably still open because this is a forum and people are discussing the team's style, entertainment and results.

Maybe we should just ask you before any threads are opened? You could vet them?

Oh it’s the old ‘it’s a forum’ thing. You miss my point entirely, well done. Why are we even discussing the idea of getting rid of a manager who has hardly put a foot wrong? Keep the thread going, that’s fine, but as an excercise in pointlessness it’s a brilliant example.

[houseboy]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I quite like some aspects of our style of play now, the slick short passing is a pleasure to watch as is the excellent defending. There's more to football than the highlights.

Agree entirely. Football as a defensive game can be interesting. Anyone who can remember the old Italian style around the late sixties and seventies will get this I think. They dominated football around then and goals were at a premium in their league. It was not that unusual for almost every game in the Italian league to end 0-0. But it was amazing to watch at times in my opinion.

[Quicknick]

Agree entirely. Football as a defensive game can be interesting. Anyone who can remember the old Italian style around the late sixties and seventies will get this I think. They dominated football around then and goals were at a premium in their league. It was not that unusual for almost every game in the Italian league to end 0-0. But it was amazing to watch at times in my opinion.

Totally agree with this. I found the Italian way enthralling.

[brexit]

Prick.

Sorry, didn't realise I was calling you out. Enjoy Aldi

[JLR81]

Is "enjoy Aldi" an insult these days?

I like Aldi, they do good stuff and the prices are decent.

Parker definitely IN, just to keep thread on track.

This style and system will serve us well against stronger teams in the Premier League.

[Bosscat]

Hmmmmmm Parker outers gone missing again

[Quickenthetempo]

Hmmmmmm Parker outers gone missing again

I only saw bits of the game due to crappy streams but wasn't yesterday's game what most Parker out fans want?
More attacking line ups and play. More chances and shots at goal etc..
3 goals scored and hitting the posts.

If he went with this style against the weaker sides in the division he would probably have a 99% backing from our fans.

[AfloatinClaret]

Some people come to this forum in order to moan, moan and moan. I suppose it serves a purpose - stops them ranting at random strangers in the street.

But isn't that exactly the point? Until only a few years ago these lads were obliged to wander around with sandwich boards and/or rant on street corners to tell us that the world was ending tomorrow; nowadays, thanks to internet forums, they can all work from home.
Also bear in mind, that someday, those 'SP Out' ranters and indeed their 'end of the world' colleagues, are going to be right and will finally get their just reward, the opportunity to finally cry 'See, I told you so!'
The SD era must have been agony for them, all those years of naysaying that they had to slog through to get their orgasm.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

But isn't that exactly the point? Until only a few years ago these lads were obliged to wander around with sandwich boards and/or rant on street corners to tell us that the world was ending tomorrow; nowadays, thanks to internet forums, they can all work from home.
Also bear in mind, that someday, those 'SP Out' ranters and indeed their 'end of the world' colleagues, are going to be right and will finally get their just reward, the opportunity to finally cry 'See, I told you so!'
The SD era must have been agony for them, all those years of naysaying that they had to slog through to get their orgasm.

Shhhhshhh now

Or Mattster will come up with yet another meaningless stat to (try) to prove you’re wrong

[burnley007]

Any thoughts after this week?

[ksrclaret]

Any thoughts after this week?

I don't know why you're doing this to yourself mate. The manager is not going to get sacked right now and the mood of the fans isn't there, yet.

All that's going to happen now is that some posters will give you very short shrift and you'll then start a post getting upset about it.

[burnley007]

I don't know why you're doing this to yourself mate. The manager is not going to get sacked right now and the mood of the fans isn't there, yet.

All that's going to happen now is that some posters will give you very short shrift and you'll then start a post getting upset about it.

Yeah.
10 0-0's is obviously fine for some i guess.

Hey ho.

[taio]

In

[Bigvince]

Any thoughts after this week?

Boring

[Row x]

Yeah.
10 0-0's is obviously fine for some i guess.

Hey ho.

They probably look at the bigger picture and see where we are in the league
They also aren't attention grabbing trolls

[Bosscat]

Yeah.
10 0-0's is obviously fine for some i guess.

Hey ho.

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[DCWat]

Yeah.
10 0-0's is obviously fine for some i guess.

Hey ho.

No one is suggesting that it’s fine.

Your views are known well enough, across numerous threads. Give it a rest!

[Bosscat]

Any thoughts after this week?

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[GetIntoEm]

Here we go again

[123EasyasBFC]

Any thoughts after this week?

Honestly, early on in the week you were crying wolf about name calling and bullying and yet you continue with the Parker agenda

[GetIntoEm]

Honestly, early on in the week you were crying wolf about name calling and bullying and yet you continue with the Parker agenda

He'll be crying again by tomorrow morning