Championship Striker

[Stonehouse]

If you remove penalties there are only 4 striker in double figures so where are we going to find a striker that will get us 10 goals until the end of the season ? They don’t exist in our league

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[Pickles]

They'd be too expensive to buy from the Championship anyway.

Kompany's transfer strategy became much maligned but our best chance of finding an affordable striker (with resale value) would be to look in a place like Belgium - for example - as Kompany did.

[Hanoverusaclaret]

on loan

[KernowHouseClaret]

Look at a lower league option or go abroad

[Bordeauxclaret]

Another league?

[123EasyasBFC]

Kone at Wycombe take a chance on him

[Vegas Claret]

need to create more chances for the ones we have, feeding on scraps.

[Murger]

Parker needs to adapt his way of playing. We are drawing far too many games, and that’s down to how Parker sets up.

[fidelcastro]

Do penalties not count then?

As we saw last night, taking a penalty is a skill in itself!

[Stonehouse]

Do penalties not count then?

As we saw last night, taking a penalty is a skill in itself!

What have I done to you ,your worse than Row X for arguing ? If we’re looking for a striker whose score 15 goals and 8 were penalties or one that’s score 12 goals and no pens which one do you think an intelligent recruiter would go for?

[Claret Till I Die]

What have I done to you ,your worse than Row X for arguing ? If we’re looking for a striker whose score 15 goals and 8 were penalties or one that’s score 12 goals and no pens which one do you think an intelligent recruiter would go for?

But to score a penalty they have to be gained. Wouldn't like to bet on how long we've to go back to the last 8 penalties awarded for us

[fidelcastro]

What have I done to you ,your worse than Row X for arguing ? If we’re looking for a striker whose score 15 goals and 8 were penalties or one that’s score 12 goals and no pens which one do you think an intelligent recruiter would go for?

It depends on all sorts of factors.

Price, movement, how we set up, how many penalties we tend to get (Jamie Vardy used to be an expert at winning and converting them!)

[Stonehouse]

It depends on all sorts of factors.

Price, movement, how we set up, how many penalties we tend to get (Jamie Vardy used to be an expert at winning and converting them!)

Oh and probably add to that if he’s scored more goals playing in claret and blue and has never missed a penalty at the Beehole End ,and if his forename name is either Danny (Ings) or Charlie (Austin),thought my mother used to nitpick but you take the biscuit ,give it a rest .

[fidelcastro]

Oh and probably add to that if he’s scored more goals playing in claret and blue and has never missed a penalty at the Beehole End ,and if his forename name is either Danny (Ings) or Charlie (Austin),thought my mother used to nitpick but you take the biscuit ,give it a rest .

I'm just pointing out, it's not as simple as you make it sound when it comes to recruiting the right player.

[kentonclaret]

Strikers with a poacher’s instinct and an eye for goal don’t specifically have to come from the Championship. With Tom Cannon having been recalled by Leicester, Stoke City recalled Nathan Lowe from his loan at League Two Walsall and he scored for Stoke this afternoon.

[Kevwando]

11 championship teams have failed to score this weekend.

[Bordeauxclaret]

But to score a penalty they have to be gained. Wouldn't like to bet on how long we've to go back to the last 8 penalties awarded for us

Oct 2022

[Claret Till I Die]

Oct 2022

So not quite between now & the end of the end of the season...

[blatherwickstattoos]

If we don’t get promoted this season the lack of any attacking flair will be the reason.

Pace needs to act asap. The defence are incredible and deserve some help on the pitch from our so called attackers

[Newcastleclaret93]

Kone at Wycombe take a chance on him

I recently saw him play. League 1 is truly poor (would say the gap is almost as big as championship to premier league).

Kone however looked pretty decent, strong, quick, powerful shot.

The one lad that’s really stood out in that league for me has been Poku at Peterborough.

[123EasyasBFC]

I recently saw him play. League 1 is truly poor (would say the gap is almost as big as championship to premier league).

Kone however looked pretty decent, strong, quick, powerful shot.

The one lad that’s really stood out in that league for me has been Poku at Peterborough.

Poku injured till march, I just think kone is a natural goalscorer and if you have that natural instinct it doesn’t matter what league you are in

[Murger]

Now isn’t the time to be buying unproven lower league players. We need proven quality.

[billyhamilton82]

As far as I can tell the only "proper" centre forward who is available for sale is Emmanuel Latte Lath.

He would also be a signing that IMO would score goals in the Premier League.

10 goals in 17 starts this season.

16 in 23 starts last season.

The obvious Nathan Tella replacement

[Colburn_Claret]

I've said many times now, in Parkers system we need a goal poacher. They are a dying breed, and not fashionable in the Prem so I can't see us getting a loan there.
Go abroad would be my suggestion. With all the AI now, find someone whose goals are mostly in the 6 yard box. It's a different skill set, and we have nobody on the books that can do it.

[billyhamilton82]

I've said many times now, in Parkers system we need a goal poacher. They are a dying breed, and not fashionable in the Prem so I can't see us getting a loan there.
Go abroad would be my suggestion. With all the AI now, find someone whose goals are mostly in the 6 yard box. It's a different skill set, and we have nobody on the books that can do it.

The problem is we need someone to hit the ground running and have an immediate impact.

If we use AI and search for a supposed bargain the concern is we end up with another Hountondji.

If we bought a Latte Lath "type" at least you know what you are getting and he will definitely open up defences and score goals.

The only problem is there are none around so due to rarity it will cost but that cost will be offset once we win promotion.

If it had to be one or the other then I would prefer we spend on a proven fox in the box striker than signing another winger tbh.

[DCWat]

“Chat GPT, find me a striker who will bag me 20
Goals a season”……..

“No, no, no, chat GPT, find me a striker that no one else will find that will bag 20 goals a season, and not cost £20 million quid…..

“Please refine your question”….

[Burnley87]

Iv said before the centre forward position isn’t the issue it’s the lack of people we get into the box, poor delivery and the negativity of the manager which has contributed to how we aren’t scoring goals. We have an outstanding goal keeper and centre half paring as well as a top right back at this level. It’s the only reason we are anywhere near challenging atm

[Colburn_Claret]

The problem is we need someone to hit the ground running and have an immediate impact.

If we use AI and search for a supposed bargain the concern is we end up with another Hountondji.

If we bought a Latte Lath "type" at least you know what you are getting and he will definitely open up defences and score goals.

The only problem is there are none around so due to rarity it will cost but that cost will be offset once we win promotion.

If it had to be one or the other then I would prefer we spend on a proven fox in the box striker than signing another winger tbh.

Houtonji wasn't bought to play Parkerball, it's isn't a surprise he looks poor. Latte Lath would look just as poor

We either need to buy players to fit Parkers style, or my preference which is play a style that suits the players we've already got.
It's ridiculous with the talent available to us that we create jack **** and score even less.

[Colburn_Claret]

Iv said before the centre forward position isn’t the issue it’s the lack of people we get into the box, poor delivery and the negativity of the manager which has contributed to how we aren’t scoring goals. We have an outstanding goal keeper and centre half paring as well as a top right back at this level. It’s the only reason we are anywhere near challenging atm

I agree.
We play 3 in centre mid against Sunderland and Brownhill is poor. 3 in the middle against Stoke and Brownhill is poor.

Unless we play 4 in the middle to allow Brownhill to make those forward forays, it's going to continue.
Fosters cameo at Reading apart, the use of 2 wingers is a waste of space on the pitch. Anthony has picked up recently but most of the season has been ineffective, Luca has a lot to learn still, he works really hard but creates nothing.

I cant for the life of me, understand why we keep picking the same team at home and expect a different outcome. It's so predictable, and as boring as the football.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Thought I would compare our top scorers to other top teams top scorers and our lack of creativity.

Leeds 16.7 shots per game.
Piroe 10 goals, 1.8 shots per game.
Aaronson 7 goals, 2.3 shots per game.
James 6 goals, 2.3 shots per game.

Sheffield 12.7 shots per game.
Hamer 6 goals, 2.6 shots per game.
Moore 5 goals, 2.4 shots per game.

Sunderland (16.3 shots per game).
Isidor 8 goals, 2.5 shots per game.
Rigg 4 goals, 1.6 shots per game.

Burnley (12.1 shots per game).
Brownhill 9, 1.8 shots per game.
Flemming 4, 1.8 shots per game.
Anthony 3, 2.3 shots per game.

The thing that stand out to me is as a team we are not creating enough shooting opportunities and our forwards are getting considerably less opportunities per game.

It doesn’t sound a lot 2.5 shots (Isidor) to 1.8 shots (Flemming) but it is approx 40% more chances to shoot per game.

I think it shows the fundamental issue is our attacking players are just not getting the opportunities to score.

[willsclarets]

Bit of a random one, seen a fella called Bertaccini play for St Truiden twice and he scored both times. Got 11 in 18 in belgium this year. He's not a 9 more of a tella esque player who plays on the shoulder and gets in pockets wider. 24 years old. About 0.0001% we'll sign him but thought I'd mention the dude!

[claretspice]

I'd have thought given budgets, our best chance of signing a striker (or wide forward) to add to our firepower would be on loan from one of one of the top clubs like City.

[claretburns]

As far as I can tell the only "proper" centre forward who is available for sale is Emmanuel Latte Lath.

He would also be a signing that IMO would score goals in the Premier League.

10 goals in 17 starts this season.

16 in 23 starts last season.

The obvious Nathan Tella replacement

Rumoured online that Middlesbrough have verbally agreed a fee with Atalanta United in MLS with Inter Miami and Leeds also stiffing around, fee of £18 million.

[warksclaret]

I'd have thought given budgets, our best chance of signing a striker (or wide forward) to add to our firepower would be on loan from one of one of the top clubs like City.

Exactly Spice-my recent comments on TRANSFER RUMOURS supports your thinking

[Hedontplayforyou]

Parker needs to allow us to attack with a bit more freedom, a bit quicker to catch defences out of shape , rather than cutting back and rehashing it over and over , try to play a few more first time crosses, a few more balls through the lines. He has the defensive side of things mastered clearly , now build on that going the other way.

He doesn’t seem to shy away from the fact that we aren’t great going forward though in interviews but not much seems to happen on the pitch to remedy it .

[Hipper]

I'm not sure any of those players stand out particularly as consistent performers.

Borja Sainz - brilliant start to the season but seems to have dried up.
Maja - again a good early spell but not so impressive lately.
Piroe - not playing as a conventional forward.
Robinson - just started scoring as Cardiff have improved but possibly the nearest to a player we could use.
Bayo - I like his style but he somehow looks better then he is!
Latte Lath - looks impressive but do we have enough to feed him. Out of our league anyway.
Whitaker - not on the list but I saw him on TV in a poor side against QPR and he played right midfield. He looks tidy with good control and passing but in this game had no goal scoring opportunities. Overall he offered very little and looked mostly disinterested, not Tresor like but certainly not the sort of effort Parker likes.

[boatshed bill]

Iv said before the centre forward position isn’t the issue it’s the lack of people we get into the box, poor delivery and the negativity of the manager which has contributed to how we aren’t scoring goals. We have an outstanding goal keeper and centre half paring as well as a top right back at this level. It’s the only reason we are anywhere near challenging atm

I agree about getting players into the box. Poor decision making from our forwards is the major problem, not the negativity of the manager.

[beeholeclaret]

Sadly everyone is now (copying) playing the Pep style which involves playing ball out from the back and ensuring possession is not lost. If that happens everyone races back to cover and regain possession. Anyone who breaks the press has to be dragged down before they get anywhere near the danger area. He has all the money and the best players in the world to do this whereas most Championship clubs are struggling and therefore set up defensively to start with as witnessed in most teams who have come to the Turf this season.

Back in the good old days when I started watching many clubs had a twin striker partnership (often big man small man) but the type of players that would fit the bill at Championship level nowadays get 'hoovered up' by Premier clubs to be squad members and maybe 4th and 5th choice. For those old enough to remember - Middlesbrough had Hickton & Mills. Birmingham had Latchford & Francis. Blackpool had Hatton & Dyson etc. Very few teams play the old way.

[ecc]

If you remove penalties there are only 4 striker in double figures so where are we going to find a striker that will get us 10 goals until the end of the season ? They don’t exist in our leagueIMG_2104.png

Hi Stonehouse,

Like you, I take out penalties from a player's haul for two reasons:

a) 80% of penalties are converted;

b) if the team doesn't get any penalties (or very few) a striker who depends on them to boost his record will suffer.

It is, of course, true that certain penalties are vital and put the taker under great pressure. Isidor needed to score the first to give them all three points.

Jay's against Swansea was another example of a pressure penalty.

[Hipper]

Thought I would compare our top scorers to other top teams top scorers and our lack of creativity.

Leeds 16.7 shots per game.
Piroe 10 goals, 1.8 shots per game.
Aaronson 7 goals, 2.3 shots per game.
James 6 goals, 2.3 shots per game.

Sheffield 12.7 shots per game.
Hamer 6 goals, 2.6 shots per game.
Moore 5 goals, 2.4 shots per game.

Sunderland (16.3 shots per game).
Isidor 8 goals, 2.5 shots per game.
Rigg 4 goals, 1.6 shots per game.

Burnley (12.1 shots per game).
Brownhill 9, 1.8 shots per game.
Flemming 4, 1.8 shots per game.
Anthony 3, 2.3 shots per game.

The thing that stand out to me is as a team we are not creating enough shooting opportunities and our forwards are getting considerably less opportunities per game.

It doesn’t sound a lot 2.5 shots (Isidor) to 1.8 shots (Flemming) but it is approx 40% more chances to shoot per game.

I think it shows the fundamental issue is our attacking players are just not getting the opportunities to score.

Nice analysis.

I would add goals scored per shots for each team (I'm assuming after 26 matches) (in order of efficiency):

goals per game/shots per game = goals per shot.

goals per game = goals scored/games played (26).

Sheffield United: 1.4/12.7 = 0.110
Leeds total 1.8/16.7 = 0.108
Burnley: 1.2/12.1 = 0.099
Sunderland: 1.5/16.3 = 0.092

We are better then Sunderland (the stats of shots on target/shots from that match show this too, not surprisingly) but below the top two.

From Newcastle's stats it looks like Brownhill is quite an efficient goalscorer. Does this suggest we should try to engineer more opportunities for him?

[Ric_C]

The question is, do we try and find a wide striker and make do with our number 9 options, or do we go all out for a decent number 9? As others have said, the loan market is probably our best option here. If you look at our attacking options you can see the problem.

Wingers/ wide forwards:
Redmond - MIA
Benson - MIA
Tresor -MIA
Koleosho - Woefully out of form
Sarmiento - hit and miss
Anthony - Probably our biggest threat (which is a worry)

Strikers / False 9's
Flemming - Hit and miss
Barnes - Past it
Jay Rod - Past it

That's 9 players in our squad, all on decent wages, and the only ones really contributing at the moment are Flemming and Anthony, and even that is very sporadic.

[Colburn_Claret]

I agree about getting players into the box. Poor decision making from our forwards is the major problem, not the negativity of the manager.

Sorry, but that's just absolute rubbish.
Of course it's because of the negativity of the manager. Every successful team has a system, a style of play that suits the players in that squad. It can be different from team to team, but once you find what suits you, you stick to it.
Even poor teams score goals. You take off the 9 goals we scored the first 2 games, and everybody is scoring more than us. It isn't bad luck. It isn't that our players aren't good enough. It is entirely down to our style of play.

We play 3 in the middle and stifle our best scorer Brownhill.
We play 2 ineffective wingers, when 1 would be enough.
We put crosses in from the halfway line instead of the byline.
We don't play the ball through the channels, even when players are showing for it and making runs.
We get into good positions and play the ball backwards.
We move the ball far far far too slowly.
We allow the opposition loads of time to set their defence when we recover the ball.
Our use of the dead ball is very very poor.

All of the above are because of Scott Parker, not the players.

All this talk of buying another striker is hogwash, unless we change the way we play there isn't a striker out there who is going to make a blind bit of difference.

[alwaysaclaret]

I agree about getting players into the box. Poor decision making from our forwards is the major problem, not the negativity of the manager.

It's simple really, we have no one taking a gamble and with the extra little desire needed to hit the back of the net, we are creating, but then coming up against a brick wall, just take a gamble on that run into area's, we lack the desire, ie the rare Brownhill, Anthony, and Flemming goals we've seen, but not often enough, just need to show that desire on a consistent basis. Or maybe SP isn't allowing it, because of the pressures on them as a team to do their defensive duties, maybe there's more emphasis on not losing a game rather than the emphasis being on winning it. It's a fine line, but I feel if we don't take the gamble a bit more, we don't score goals, don't score goals we don't win games.

[Burnley87]

I agree about getting players into the box. Poor decision making from our forwards is the major problem, not the negativity of the manager.

Our full backs aren’t getting high enough to create overloads out wide. We have wingers who don’t attack the back post well, midfielders who don’t get into the box enough to be playing 3 in midfield it’s a must your opposite winger and midfielders arrive in the box or around it and a strikers who all want to drop deep and not get in behind to stretch the pitch.

This is all to do with the management and how we set up in games

[Alanstevensonsgloves]

The question is, do we try and find a wide striker and make do with our number 9 options, or do we go all out for a decent number 9? As others have said, the loan market is probably our best option here. If you look at our attacking options you can see the problem.

Wingers/ wide forwards:
Redmond - MIA
Benson - MIA
Tresor -MIA
Koleosho - Woefully out of form
Sarmiento - hit and miss
Anthony - Probably our biggest threat (which is a worry)

Strikers / False 9's
Flemming - Hit and miss
Barnes - Past it
Jay Rod - Past it

That's 9 players in our squad, all on decent wages, and the only ones really contributing at the moment are Flemming and Anthony, and even that is very sporadic.

Foster?