January Transfer Window Rumours

[NewClaret]

Is that now a fact? I hope it is. I'm sure tonight's team news will tell us.
Seems a really good deal at that price.

Would agree at that price (£5-6m) it’s a fair deal. The rumoured £10-£12m most definitely not and I’d rather we pulled out if that’s what it cost.

[sleeperclaret]

A real tough one for the player if he plays. Have a great game and score the winner and he may be costing himself and his new teammates a promotion and all the bonuses that go with it.

Have an awful game and fans will be underwhelmed with the signing and give him grief if he doesn't start well here.

[123EasyasBFC]

Where’s this come from?

I’m not convinced we have gone back in with a second offer

[NewClaret]

I’m not convinced we have gone back in with a second offer

Ah okay, with you saying 100% I thought their was news.

BBC are a decent source, no?

I’ll be surprised if he plays tonight regardless of transfer status. Not in Plymouth’s interests on many levels, particularly if he was as lazy as reported last game. They’ll need 11 men working hard tonight.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Seen an article with their manager saying Whittaker will start tonight for Plymouth

[CJ_Claret]

Ah okay, with you saying 100% I thought their was news.

BBC are a decent source, no?

I’ll be surprised if he plays tonight regardless of transfer status. Not in Plymouth’s interests on many levels, particularly if he was as lazy as reported last game. They’ll need 11 men working hard tonight.

There is no chance Whittaker doesnt start tonight (if a deal is not close). He's the one player in their team that can make something happen from nothing, irrespective of his current 'dip' in form according to the pilgrims.

Proof will be in the pudding but the reality is we will know where we are at with the persuit of Whittaker come 7pm when the teams are out.

[dibraidio]

Seen an article with their manager saying Whittaker will start tonight for Plymouth

There was an article in the Plymouth local press yesterday but it is full of quotes from an interview that was done at least 3 or 4 days ago. Plymouth apparently are down to the bare bones for Center Backs. You'd think that we could help them out with that as a sweetener as we've got about 105 in the squad who can't even get on the bench. Trouble is they wouldn't be able to afford the wages. According to some of their fans it sounds like taking Obafemi back would but more positive than including him in the deal.

It's fairly obvious that Plymouth wouldn't want Whittaker to play against them BUT surely if this was further down the line we'd have seen some sort of rumour about a medical or a visit to Gawthorpe?

[bumba]

There is no chance Whittaker doesnt start tonight (if a deal is not close). He's the one player in their team that can make something happen from nothing, irrespective of his current 'dip' in form according to the pilgrims.

Proof will be in the pudding but the reality is we will know where we are at with the persuit of Whittaker come 7pm when the teams are out.

He could be out of the squad tonight due to being close to signing for Boro or Birmingham, everybody is presuming it means we've got him

[NewClaret]

A real tough one for the player if he plays. Have a great game and score the winner and he may be costing himself and his new teammates a promotion and all the bonuses that go with it.

Have an awful game and fans will be underwhelmed with the signing and give him grief if he doesn't start well here.

Agree, and for this reason I can’t see him playing. If you’re the Plymouth manager would you trust Whittaker if through 1v1 in the last 5 minutes? Maybe seals himself another season in the Championship by scoring.

That and lazy last game, plus any injury to him and that’s a big transfer fee and chance to strengthen the squad for a survival push is scuppered.

No way I’d pick him if I were them, even if a deal weren’t close.

[NewClaret]

He could be out of the squad tonight due to being close to signing for Boro or Birmingham, everybody is presuming it means we've got him

The Birmingham link was a fake Romano account according to their message board.

[CJ_Claret]

He could be out of the squad tonight due to being close to signing for Boro or Birmingham, everybody is presuming it means we've got him

Sorry, Yes wasn't just meaning we are the only ones in the race, just meant that unless there is a deal close (with any team involved) he plays. A team like Plymouth can't possibly afford to drop their talisman.

[billyhamilton82]

Whittaker will 100% start for Plymouth tonight

Unless he does a "Tarkowski"

Must be difficult for the player and the manager must have doubts as well, especially after his performance at the weekend.

[randomclaret2]

Hull after Charlie Taylor on loan

[mikaelj]

Looks like Hjalmar Ekdal is going on loan to Groningen

https://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/ ... -lanas-ut/

[bumba]

Sorry, Yes wasn't just meaning we are the only ones in the race, just meant that unless there is a deal close (with any team involved) he plays. A team like Plymouth can't possibly afford to drop their talisman.

Interesting if we are leading the race and he plays, does he try and make a good impression on the club and fans he wants to join and risk costing us points in our promotion chase that he could soon be part of? Or just go through the motions and have fans from BFC saying don't bother signing him?

[gtclaret]

I've seen Morgan Whittaker play about 4 times and each and every time he has been complete rubbish.A Plymouth fan that I know says he is lazy.I would not be too upset if we didn't get him..

[CrosspoolClarets]

I've seen Morgan Whittaker play about 4 times and each and every time he has been complete rubbish.A Plymouth fan that I know says he is lazy.I would not be too upset if we didn't get him..

That was also the accusation on Shelvey, so much so that the player even mentioned it in his club interview. We can all make our own minds up as to whether Parker is the type to pick lazy players who don’t put a shift in. More likely he is the reverse - leaving out talent because they don’t run enough.

[CJ_Claret]

Interesting if we are leading the race and he plays, does he try and make a good impression on the club and fans he wants to join and risk costing us points in our promotion chase that he could soon be part of? Or just go through the motions and have fans from BFC saying don't bother signing him?

We are in a novel situation where both the bidding team and the team Whittaker plays for are playing each other, so I do get the point you are making. I'm merely suggesting that, if the player himself doesn't make himself unavailable, a deal isn't nearing being done (for any team that has shown interest) and hes fit, Plymouth play him. At the end of the day its hes a professional footballer who will have had speculation through his career. He is a Plymouth player and still has a job to do for his club, unless he decides to force a move himself.

However that's all if, buts & maybes my point is if he is available for selection by the manager - he plays

[Dark Cloud]

If Whittaker starts for PA tonight Burnley should 100% pull the plug on any potential deal.

[Big Vinny K]

We had a similar situation with Robbie Blake didn’t we ?
Don’t think many of our fans were that happy when he was on our bench that day being our best players.

[billyhamilton82]

If Whittaker starts for PA tonight Burnley should 100% pull the plug on any potential deal.

Sorry, I don't understand, why should we pull the plug?

If he is told he is playing by the manager then he has to play according to his contract.

If we haven't offered enough then Plymouth are well within their rights to play him.

[LDNBFC87]

If Whittaker starts for PA tonight Burnley should 100% pull the plug on any potential deal.

Why?

[Burnley1989]

Sorry, I don't understand

Me neither, daft opinion

[Silkyskills1]

[quote=billyhamilton82 post_id=2490924 time=1737557091 user_id=923

If he is told he is playing by the manager then he has to play according to his contract.


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Does that rule apply universally within professional clubs?

[Blyclaret]

If Whittaker starts for PA tonight Burnley should 100% pull the plug on any potential deal.

If Burnley have not offered the asking price. Whittaker is a Plymouth player still they can play him or not. Its their decision. Nothing to do with us.

[Andreshotboots]

Sorry, I don't understand, why should we pull the plug?

If he is told he is playing by the manager then he has to play according to his contract.

If we haven't offered enough then Plymouth are well within their rights to play him.

He shoukd have got himself a contract like Tresor then as it certainly doesn't seem to bother him being under contract .

Wonder if MW will celebrate if he scores tonight, the quirkiness of sport means that he'll 100% bag one tonight if he plays!!

[Vegas Claret]

[quote=billyhamilton82 post_id=2490924 time=1737557091 user_id=923

If he is told he is playing by the manager then he has to play according to his contract.

Does that rule apply universally within professional clubs?
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Haven't you heard of Tresor clause ?

[billyhamilton82]

[quote=billyhamilton82 post_id=2490924 time=1737557091 user_id=923

If he is told he is playing by the manager then he has to play according to his contract.

Does that rule apply universally within professional clubs?
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Its not a rule, it will be in his contract.

I don't think any club would allow a player to have a contract where the player can play only if he wants to.

Cue the obligatory Tresor jokes

[taio]

If Whittaker starts for PA tonight Burnley should 100% pull the plug on any potential deal.

A bizarre thing to say

[Ibahjanner]

I know you have mentioned this cash in the bank and being financially sound as justification for not needing to sell a couple of times on this thread now.

Your audited accounts are by no means in the basket case territory of some other clubs in our league but aren’t you posting pretty significant losses every year recently. Whilst you have seen decent increases in your revenue since your promotion season that revenue still has to be one of the lowest in the championship. To “compete” in the championship your owners have said they have had to increase operating costs pretty significantly which had resulted in your losses.

Cash in the bank can often be very misleading. It’s a point in time number and particularly in football it can be inflated for a number of reasons (season ticket sales coming in, a sky TV payment etc).

Not sure how deep your owners pockets are to fund year on year losses - I guess not that deep given you are trying to get new investors on board. For me you do not look like a club who can afford to walk away from the offer and if you go down you are clearly going to be looking in trouble financially with a big drop in your revenues and those operating costs still proportionally high.

In our promotion season we lost around 1.5 million. This was put down to bonuses and having to pay an old debt from the administration days on getting back to the championship.
Last season our losses was 2.5 million which was put down mainly to amortisation. However prior to that we were breaking even. Revenue last season it was 25.5 million which on last seasons accounts is greater than Bristol city and stokes. If you go on the accounts from the previous season in the championship our revenue would of been 11th. What is poor our chairman believes in infrastructure over ploughing money into players hence we had possibly the lowest playing budget of 11 million last season In the last couple of years it's something like 10 million spent on infrastructure like buying the old goals five a side place and the green taveners building for hospitatility. At the moment they are in conjunction with the council undergoing a 26 million upgrade of sports facilities in Devonport. It's costing the club 11 million but they will get academy level 2 out of it.
Now the big one whilst we have no debt, the chairman knows he is limited in taking us forward that is why investors are being bought in who will take over the club. No names have been released because confidentiality clauses have been signed. At the moment it's with the efl and if the "rumoured" names are true will put us in a different light with them being billionairese

[Tricky Trevor]

If Charlie is mentioned with Hull City I’d 100% go in for him on a short term deal. I’m sure he’d prefer to show off his talents in a promotion battle than a relegation one.
Not sure what Humphreys situation is re:game time?

[NL Claret]

Please no Taylor back.

We need a full back who can create decent chances. Taylor does this once a season.

[TheFamilyCat]

If Charlie is mentioned with Hull City I’d 100% go in for him on a short term deal. I’m sure he’d prefer to show off his talents in a promotion battle than a relegation one.
Not sure what Humphreys situation is re:game time?

Let's get Ashley Westwood, Michael Duff, Clarke Carlisle and David Eyres back while we're at it.

What does Charlie Taylor offer that we don't already have?

[Darnhill Claret]

He wouldn't get any game time and probably wouldn't even get on the bench.

[Woodleyclaret]

We would need a top striker like Chris Wood to get the best out of Charlie Taylor

[jedi_master]

I don't see why we need a left back. Humphreys is playing great and getting better and better going forward. Pires probably isn't good enough for where we want to be but is a capable enough backup for us at this level.

[Blyclaret]

If Charlie is mentioned with Hull City I’d 100% go in for him on a short term deal. I’m sure he’d prefer to show off his talents in a promotion battle than a relegation one.
Not sure what Humphreys situation is re:game time?

Not a chance. Taylor would not get his place in this team.

[SirBob]

If Charlie is mentioned with Hull City I’d 100% go in for him on a short term deal. I’m sure he’d prefer to show off his talents in a promotion battle than a relegation one.
Not sure what Humphreys situation is re:game time?

I think Humphries has shown he has more going forward than Taylor at his young age already. LB needs looking at but it can wait for the summer for me, we need goals and I don’t remember Charlie being much of a provider of assists.

[kenyon6923]

We had a similar situation with Robbie Blake didn’t we ?
Don’t think many of our fans were that happy when he was on our bench that day being our best players.

Do I remember correctly that stan brought Blakey on as a sub (early when we bought him because he had a injury/or was getting fit) and re-subbed him (was definitely at turf Moor) - anyone else recall it ?

[boyyanno]

Let's get Ashley Westwood, Michael Duff, Clarke Carlisle and David Eyres back while we're at it.

What does Charlie Taylor offer that we don't already have?

Taylor was pretty good at helping us transition from defence to attack with the big touches down the line- that is somthing we miss on both sides of the pitch imo.

I wouldn't advocate signing him but I find there are always a mixture of people who want us to re-sign old players and a mix of people who want to "do them down".

On balance I think it's fair to say he'd be a very good Left back still at this level for the right team.

[warksclaret]

I don’t understand the infatuation in wanting players back who were moved on for a reason
You would think we were the Battersea Dogs Home Of The North

[DCWat]

We’ve gone from having limited experience to nigh on half a team full of experienced, older heads. We don’t need any more. We also don’t need defensive recruits - the priority has to be goal getters / goal creators - what finances we have has to go on forwards, no ifs, no buts.

[Big Vinny K]

Do I remember correctly that stan brought Blakey on as a sub (early when we bought him because he had a injury/or was getting fit) and re-subbed him (was definitely at turf Moor) - anyone else recall it ?

Yep - that’s when Stan said Robbie played like he had diving boots on I think.
That was separate to the game I was talking about though - I think he was supposed to be going to Wigan but ended up being sold to Birmingham in the end.

[boyyanno]

We’ve gone from having limited experience to nigh on half a team full of experienced, older heads. We don’t need any more. We also don’t need defensive recruits - the priority has to be goal getters / goal creators - what finances we have has to go on forwards, no ifs, no buts.

Agreed.

[exilecanada]

Let's get Ashley Westwood, Michael Duff, Clarke Carlisle and David Eyres back while we're at it.

Ashley Westwood would be an asset taking corner kicks

[martin_p]

We’ve gone from having limited experience to nigh on half a team full of experienced, older heads. We don’t need any more. We also don’t need defensive recruits - the priority has to be goal getters / goal creators - what finances we have has to go on forwards, no ifs, no buts.

Our goals against column makes the view on the need for defenders a more than reasonable one.

[Hipper]

Looks like Hjalmar Ekdal is going on loan to Groningen

https://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/ ... -lanas-ut/

I've been there! Actually to see GVAV in the 1960s against NAC (Breda) and NEC (Nijmegen). All games played on Sunday as was the norm in Holland at the time. I didn't realise how GVAV became FC Groningen, or it seems, replaced them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Groningen

[Vegas Claret]

Ashley Westwood would be an asset taking corner kicks

Ashley is busy helping the new recruit settle in at Charlotte - they just signed Wilf Zaha !

[Guitargeorge]

If Whittaker starts and scores against the meanest defence in Europe, then he’s worth having. If he doesn’t try, then that’s because he doesn’t want to knock back the club he is about to join. All positive.

[Stonehouse]

If Charlie is mentioned with Hull City I’d 100% go in for him on a short term deal. I’m sure he’d prefer to show off his talents in a promotion battle than a relegation one.
Not sure what Humphreys situation is re:game time?

Thought we’d a clause to buy him at the end of the season but I could be wrong.