Have we made a massive error in the squad

[mdd2]

A club developed player is any player who was at the club for 'at least 12 months prior to the end of his Under 19 season'; basically, anyone who was signed to the club for at least a year as a teenager (even if they were out on loan).
After the closure of the summer transfer window, every club needs to have at least one 'club developed' player in their squad.
Clubs also need to name at least one club developed player in their matchday squad; if they don't, they must name one fewer player on their bench.

I always thought Jay was our club developed player.
Who fulfills that role in today's squad?
Egan-Riley was 19 when he signed for us in the Summer of 2022 (dob 2/01/2003). Was his under 19 season 2021-22 or 2022-23? If the former who do we have in the squad today who qualifies as a club developed player?

[colne-claret]

Not sure that’s actually a rule is it? I thought it was just a certain amount of homegrown players.

[andyh]

If we have the chances are everyone would have missed it but the do gooders on this site are making sure it gets investigated

[Goliath]

Probably a thread that needs deleting

[helmclaret]

A club developed player is any player who was at the club for 'at least 12 months prior to the end of his Under 19 season'; basically, anyone who was signed to the club for at least a year as a teenager (even if they were out on loan).
After the closure of the summer transfer window, every club needs to have at least one 'club developed' player in their squad.
Clubs also need to name at least one club developed player in their matchday squad; if they don't, they must name one fewer player on their bench.

I always thought Jay was our club developed player.
Who fulfills that role in today's squad?
Egan-Riley was 19 when he signed for us in the Summer of 2022 (dob 2/01/2003). Was his under 19 season 2021-22 or 2022-23? If the former who do we have in the squad today who qualifies as a club developed player?

Have you reported us to the EFL?

[mdd2]

I think this will be noticed if it is correct. My reading of this is without a club developed player in the team squad of 20, you can only have a 19 squad with 8 subs

[helmclaret]

'A club developed player is any player who was at the club for 'at least 12 months prior to the end of his Under 19 season'; basically, anyone who was signed to the club for at least a year as a teenager (even if they were out on loan).'

[colne-claret]

I think this will be noticed if it is correct. My reading of this is without a club developed player in the team squad of 20, you can only have a 19 squad with 8 subs

It’s a squad of 25 players over 21 with 8 homegrown. Homegrown means trained at an English club, not same club.

[mdd2]

So who fits the bill today given Egan-Riley is the only teenager when he signed in July 2022 and was 20 on 2/1/2023-so what is an under 19 season Helm? I find it hard to see anyone in the match day squad of 20 who fits a club developed player now that Jay has gone and would have been on the bench today.

[colne-claret]

So who fits the bill today given Egan-Riley is the only teenager when he signed in July 2022 and was 20 on 2/1/2023-so what is an under 19 season Helm? I find it hard to see anyone in the match day squad of 20 who fits a club developed player now that Jay has gone and would have been on the bench today.

Yeah I’ll say it for the third time. You don’t need one. Can’t tell if you’re on wind up or not.

[mdd2]

It’s a squad of 25 players over 21 with 8 homegrown. Homegrown means trained at an English club, not same club.

I know but there is the additional 'club developed player"- if you dont name one in the squad, that squad can only number 19, not 20.

[mdd2]

Have you reported us to the EFL?

Not yet

[daveisaclaret]

Egan-Riley's first season will be his under-19 season, eligibility is determined by how old you are at the start of the season.

Very funny (scary?) that people are upset at this being pointed out. If any club breaks this rule it will be immediately picked up on by the authorities without worrying about a fan dobbing us in.

[mdd2]

It’s a squad of 25 players over 21 with 8 homegrown. Homegrown means trained at an English club, not same club.

I know all that. My worry is set out below

In the EFL, clubs must include at least one club-developed player and at least seven homegrown players in their matchday squad.
If a club doesn't include a club-developed player, they must reduce the number of players on their bench by one.
Clubs can face sanctions if they break these rules.

[agreenwood]

Who is the club secretary? It’d be their job to ensure the club complied with squad rules.

[mdd2]

Egan-Riley's first season will be his under-19 season, eligibility is determined by how old you are at the start of the season.

Very funny (scary?) that people are upset at this being pointed out. If any club breaks this rule it will be immediately picked up on by the authorities without worrying about a fan dobbing us in.

Is being 19 years and 6 months at the start of the season an under 19 season? I suppose it could be given he was 18 on Jan 1st 2023 and with respect to being under 21 then Egan-Riley does not have to be named in the present 25 man squad as he was only 20 on Jan 1st 2024 so maybe the same rules to under 19 applies. In other words being 18 on Jan 1st 2022 makes his 22-23 season as an under 19 year old. Maybe that is the case.

[Row x]

Who is the club secretary? It’d be their job to ensure the club complied with squad rules.

The rules are on another thread

They only need to be on the squad list submitted after the transfer window
We're fine

[jojomk1]

It doesn't really matter

The final score will be 0 - 0

[dsr]

I shouldn't worry overmuch. It's rare that we use all 9 subs.

[RVclaret]

The rules are on another thread

They only need to be on the squad list submitted after the transfer window
We're fine

Can you link?

When I checked the rules I’m sure it was that a ‘homegrown’ player (club developed) had to be in the matchday squad.

[ChrisG]

Can you link?

When I checked the rules I’m sure it was that a ‘homegrown’ player (club developed) had to be in the matchday squad.

It's on here, says you need a club developed player in matchday squad, or have one less sub:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wh ... re-allowed

[Row x]

Can you link?

When I checked the rules I’m sure it was that a ‘homegrown’ player (club developed) had to be in the matchday squad.

34.11 Club Developed Players. Subject to Regulation 34.12, for League Matches which take
place after the submission of the Club’s Squad List following the closure of the
Summer Transfer Window, each Club shall be required to nominate at least one Club
Developed Player on either the Squad List, or on the Team Sheet for all League
Matches (including Play Off Matches). Where a Club does not name a Club Developed
Player on either it’s Squad List or Team Sheet, the Club will only be permitted to name
up to eight (Championship) or six (League One and Two) substitutes on the Team Sheet
(rather than the nine (Championship) or seven (League One an Two) as permitted by
Regulation 34.4).

That says squad list or team sheet so they don't have to be named in the matchday squad.

[BleedingClaret]

Egan-Riley's first season will be his under-19 season, eligibility is determined by how old you are at the start of the season.

Very funny (scary?) that people are upset at this being pointed out. If any club breaks this rule it will be immediately picked up on by the authorities without worrying about a fan dobbing us in.

My thoughts entirely

There are posters on this site that are, it seems to me, policing through dismissive comments and attempts to ridicule the posters that raise points of genuine concern, posts that can be deemed to be negative, but with concerns that by their very nature have a negative undertone, but are mostly validated by some facts and ask genuine questions that many others are asking in the pubs and on the terraces
Some and one such controller appears soon after your post and nearly always appears after posts that challenge any level of the clubs proficiency to run a football club and often there are patterns of these ‘challengees’ appearing and being supported by the same other posters
They always seem to have a good grasp of the facts, maybe to the point of some inside knowledge and are very succinct and ruthlessly professional in their attacks

[mdd2]

If Row X's last post is correct-no worries but that is one crazy rule if the home grown player (J Rod) can leave the club and still count. I dont see another club developed player in our squad who was over 21 on 1/1/24 AND was with us as an under 19 year old.
Egan-Riley who is second best fit being under 21 on 1/1/24 doesnt have to be named in the squad of 25 but can be on the team sheet as any under 21 yr old can be; but if the player has to be in the 25 man squad AND on the teamsheet each match day, who is/are that/those players?

[BleedingClaret]

My thoughts entirely

There are posters on this site that are, it seems to me, policing through dismissive comments and attempts to ridicule the posters that raise points of genuine concern, posts that can be deemed to be negative, but with concerns that by their very nature have a negative undertone, but are mostly validated by some facts and ask genuine questions that many others are asking in the pubs and on the terraces
Some and one such controller appears soon after your post and nearly always appears after posts that challenge any level of the clubs proficiency to run a football club and often there are patterns of these ‘challengees’ appearing and being supported by the same other posters
They always seem to have a good grasp of the facts, maybe to the point of some inside knowledge and are very succinct and ruthlessly professional in their attacks

Well blow me down with a feather look at the post 3 above mine

Rule 6275697654 ej subsections 864 etc


Rest my case

[Row x]

Well blow me down with a feather look at the post 3 above mine

Rule 6275697654 ej subsections 864 etc


Rest my case

If you're referring to my post, then that was copied from another poster at the request of another poster on this thread

[quoonbeatz]

but if the player has to be in the 25 man squad AND on the teamsheet each match day, who is/are that/those players?

The EFL don’t really help themselves with the terminology but the ‘squad list’ referred to in the rules isn’t the 25 man squad, it’s the full list of players eligible to play in a league match, so the under 21s count.

We don’t have to have a club developed player on the matchday squad list. That wouldn’t be practical as clubs would be keeping a player hanging around forever just to fulfil that requirement.

They could make this far easier to understand my setting it out clearly but it’s all ‘rule 25 subsection 6 paragraph 34’ ********.

[mdd2]

Thanks Quoon having read all that Will Shakespeare got it correct
"Much ado about nothing"

[BleedingClaret]

Rather than nuances of squad ingredients
I’m a little more worried about possible financial errors
1 player in the squad cost 15 mil or so
Never looked up to the rigours of English football despite some obvious technical ability, was played JUST enough to make the signing a financial obligation, disappeared from site
Can’t play won’t play
Plays, off the bench, displays obvious technique then 15 minutes later can’t or won’t run
Then again Doesn’t play won’t play can’t play
WTF
more serious matters in play here

If we don’t go up our squad may well next season include a long list of youth players that may meet the criteria that’s being discussed

[ClaretTony]

We have not broken any rules and have not made any errors.

[Cazaris]

Considering Parker's insistence on barely using subs anyway, I can't see 1 less sub on the bench affecting us even if it were true.

Far too few, far too late with no time to get rolling before the final whistle. Either Parker's purposely giving everyone extra minutes as part of some fitness routine or he's just straight up not sure who to bring off/on and when.

[Commy]

Can you link?

When I checked the rules I’m sure it was that a ‘homegrown’ player (club developed) had to be in the matchday squad.

I put it in the match day post yesterday from the EFL rules. It doesn't mention matchday squad. It says they have to be in either the squad list or the team sheet.

34.11 Club Developed Players. Subject to Regulation 34.12, for League Matches which take
place after the submission of the Club’s Squad List following the closure of the
Summer Transfer Window, each Club shall be required to nominate at least one Club
Developed Player on either the Squad List, or on the Team Sheet for all League
Matches (including Play Off Matches). Where a Club does not name a Club Developed
Player on either it’s Squad List or Team Sheet, the Club will only be permitted to name
up to eight (Championship) or six (League One and Two) substitutes on the Team Sheet
(rather than the nine (Championship) or seven (League One an Two) as permitted by
Regulation 34.4).

[pureclaret]

I'm getting quite confused that this topic seems to be in nearly every post at the moment.

[fidelcastro]

I'm getting quite confused that this topic seems to be in nearly every post at the moment.

And it's all much ado about nothing.

[ClaretTony]

I'm getting quite confused that this topic seems to be in nearly every post at the moment.

No need to be confused or concerned. We have not broken any rules and won’t do if we were to name the same squad for the remainder of the season.

[Stacks]

Who cares.

Let the club figure this out. They know the rules and are paid to do soon

[ClaretTony]

Who cares.

Let the club figure this out. They know the rules and are paid to do soon

That’s exactly what has happened. Those at the club are aware of any rules and have done so. We have not broken any rules as I’ve said previously.