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Papering over the cracks

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm

Another three points thanks to OG. Lot more promising signs in early stages of attack but plenty of awful final balls and inability to test the keeper.

People said all window we need a striker and tonight’s a classic example of why they were saying that.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm

Blimey.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:38 pm

What are you trying to get at here?

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by bumba » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:38 pm

Overall a decent performance but it's a tough ask to get promoted without a championship quality striker on your books

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by StuWestMidsClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:39 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm
Another three points thanks to OG. Lot more promising signs in early stages of attack but plenty of awful final balls and inability to test the keeper.

People said all window we need a striker and tonight’s a classic example of why they were saying that.
Mate have a day off ffs.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by GetIntoEm » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:39 pm

Really good performance I thought, dominated them. Never in doubt. On to the next one
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Fretters » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:40 pm

Inability to test the keeper? Seriously?
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:41 pm

bumba wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:38 pm
Overall a decent performance but it's a tough ask to get promoted without a championship quality striker on your books
One point off doing exactly that though.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by TPClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:41 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm
Another three points thanks to OG. Lot more promising signs in early stages of attack but plenty of awful final balls and inability to test the keeper.

People said all window we need a striker and tonight’s a classic example of why they were saying that.
Inability to test the keeper. He kept them in it
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by HollandsPies » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:42 pm

Thank-you very much for the 3 points, Oxford
Thank-you very much
Thank-you very, very, very much ...
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by GetIntoEm » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:42 pm

Proper crybaby post this one. Proper entitled ****
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Gp8419 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:46 pm

Forgive my ignorance but I didn’t realise how much in form Oxford had been since rowett took over, always a good manager at this level imo.Don’t think it was ever going to be a walk in the park.But apart from 20 mins start of 2nd half we was well in control and 1-0 flatters them I think.It was definitely better we look better with Hannibal,I just think foster needs putting up top he will score goals there.He played better foster tonight though.utc

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by StuWestMidsClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:47 pm

Posts a load of ******** then logs off. About standard for this place.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by GetIntoEm » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:48 pm

StuWestMidsClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:47 pm
Posts a load of ******** then logs off. About standard for this place.
Mummy will have told him straight to bed
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Stonehouse » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:51 pm

Had to watch it on tv ,but an half decent striker would have buried Oxford in the first half and as soon as Hannibal went off all the spark disappeared and we produced another crab like performance ,away fans used to say they would rather lose then watch Dyche ball every week ,and SP has a team with loads more flare the SD had but still manages to stifle all the creativity out of a decent bunch of players.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:51 pm

GetIntoEm wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:48 pm
Mummy will have told him straight to bed
:lol:

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:52 pm

Scoring goals has a lot to do with confidence.
We don't have a lot of either.
If we keep creating the chances, like tonight, then both will improve.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Goliath » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:53 pm

Gp8419 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:46 pm
Forgive my ignorance but I didn’t realise how much in form Oxford had been since rowett took over, always a good manager at this level imo.Don’t think it was ever going to be a walk in the park.But apart from 20 mins start of 2nd half we was well in control and 1-0 flatters them I think.It was definitely better we look better with Hannibal,I just think foster needs putting up top he will score goals there.He played better foster tonight though.utc
We really shouldn't be too worried about a team like Oxford having a decent run. It shouldn't matter, we are in a totally different league to them in terms of budget and quality and again we left ourselves exposed to them scoring a lucky deflected goal near the end to take a point

We are playing with fear and it's going to cost us eventually. We had a bench including Shelvey, Benson and Edwards. Imagine those coming on after an hour from an Oxford perspective, it'd be an absolute nightmare.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:57 pm

Summed it up when one of the highlights was Shelvey playing a forward pass. Get him in the side

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Clovius Boofus » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:58 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm
and inability to test the keeper.
I think you must have been watching the wrong Sky+ channel.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by burnley007 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:01 pm

Even I'm not whinging tonight!! :lol:

We showed genuine intent to get the ball forward, it might not have worked, but at least they tried. That's all we can ask at this stage.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:09 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm
Blimey.
did you not see Flemming react a second too late on a good few occasions ? It's Parker's fault he is playing him as a striker but a fox in the box scores two tonight. We should have brought a striker in

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Somethingfishy » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:16 pm

I've been as critical and as bored as anybody over our last few performances but tonight took the p*ss.

Why have we become so entitled? That atmosphere tonight (and the attendance) was disgusting. I could understand if it was another lifeless and chanceless pedestrian performance but we created countless chances in the first 15 minutes alone and yes a couple were absolute sitters but the performance was much livlier. The moaning and whining around me was constant.
The final whistle was greeted with almost silence and polite applause. Just bizarre.

Scott Read alluded to it on Radio Lancashire and he and David Unsworth just thought the atmosphere was very strange considering we created so much and dominated the game.

Have our heads gone as fans? We have just moved into 2nd in the league ffs

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by bumba » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:17 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:41 pm
One point off doing exactly that though.
One point off promotion? What world are you living in?

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by BabylonClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:17 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:57 pm
Summed it up when one of the highlights was Shelvey playing a forward pass. Get him in the side
That was a terrific ball. He's moving diagonally to our RH corner with a man closing on him from behind and he plays a 40 yard reverse ball onto the channel. Would be good to get him some more minutes and build that fitness.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by pauliopaulio » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:18 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:57 pm
Summed it up when one of the highlights was Shelvey playing a forward pass. Get him in the side
This is what gives me confidence bizarrely enough. We won and the chances we had in the 1st half we should have been 2 or 3 up. But we still play safe.

Shelvey showed in that one move exactly what we need - a deep lying midfielder who can split the line. We had runners all night but no ball forward.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:20 pm

Stonehouse wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:51 pm
Had to watch it on tv ,but an half decent striker would have buried Oxford in the first half and as soon as Hannibal went off all the spark disappeared and we produced another crab like performance ,away fans used to say they would rather lose then watch Dyche ball every week ,and SP has a team with loads more flare the SD had but still manages to stifle all the creativity out of a decent bunch of players.
Are you sure? All our best chances in the se and half were after Hannibal went off.

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Post by pauliopaulio » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:22 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:16 pm
I've been as critical and as bored as anybody over our last few performances but tonight took the p*ss.

Why have we become so entitled? That atmosphere tonight (and the attendance) was disgusting. I could understand if it was another lifeless and chanceless pedestrian performance but we created countless chances in the first 15 minutes alone and yes a couple were absolute sitters but the performance was much livlier. The moaning and whining around me was constant.
The final whistle was greeted with almost silence and polite applause. Just bizarre.

Scott Read alluded to it on Radio Lancashire and he and David Unsworth just thought the atmosphere was very strange considering we created so much and dominated the game.

Have our heads gone as fans? We have just moved into 2nd in the league ffs
There is context though in terms of the lack of goals at home. If we’d have put two or three of the 1st half chances in it would have been different.

I’m a firm believer in football is all about the 3 points and we won comfortably tonight but we are tough watch at the minute. But I do put a lot of that down to confidence - once the dam bursts I think we’ll finish top by a distance

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Gp8419 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:23 pm

Goliath wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:53 pm
We really shouldn't be too worried about a team like Oxford having a decent run. It shouldn't matter, we are in a totally different league to them in terms of budget and quality and again we left ourselves exposed to them scoring a lucky deflected goal near the end to take a point

We are playing with fear and it's going to cost us eventually. We had a bench including Shelvey, Benson and Edwards. Imagine those coming on after an hour from an Oxford perspective, it'd be an absolute nightmare.
your looking at the size of the club! I’m sure a lot of prem teams don’t fear Bournemouth and look how well there doing!

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:24 pm

pauliopaulio wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:18 pm
This is what gives me confidence bizarrely enough.
it's a glimmer of hope for me. I'd play him instead of Laurent, can't drop Cullen and you would expect Brownhill to be back once fit. Really pleased with the win, can't point the finger at Parker for the laughable finishing but he couldn't take the brake off against what I would argue is the worst Championship side we've seen at the Turf in many a year. I feel like I'm being ultra negative but my eyes tell me that Parker is holding a talented group back. He'll be overjoyed with a 1-0 when in reality someone like Leeds or Sunderland would likely have score at least 5 tonight. Maybe it's just me but given the amount of empty seats I think plenty are bored to tears with it.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by dvalley69 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:25 pm

Just need a bit of patience, which understandably fans have lost a little with our style of play. Our signings are definitely a step up in quality and over the next month I hope JJ and Edwards, as well as the returning Hannibal, get more minutes under the belt, show their quality and eventually become shoe-ins to start. If anything, it's competition and motivation for the likes of Anthony, Foster and Brownhill to show their worth and keep their places. We're still in a fantastic position and plenty of games to move up through the gears. I, for one, can't wait for the last 10 games, when it gets to the crunch, to see how we do. That's when all the work that's been done will provide the answers.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:25 pm

bumba wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:17 pm
One point off promotion? What world are you living in?
One point off averaging two points per game, which guarantees promotion.

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Post by dvalley69 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:29 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:24 pm
it's a glimmer of hope for me. I'd play him instead of Laurent, can't drop Cullen and you would expect Brownhill to be back once fit. Really pleased with the win, can't point the finger at Parker for the laughable finishing but he couldn't take the brake off against what I would argue is the worst Championship side we've seen at the Turf in many a year. I feel like I'm being ultra negative but my eyes tell me that Parker is holding a talented group back. He'll be overjoyed with a 1-0 when in reality someone like Leeds or Sunderland would likely have score at least 5 tonight. Maybe it's just me but given the amount of empty seats I think plenty are bored to tears with it.
You're right from a business point of view about the numbers not turning up, but it shouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. This team is here to get promoted and if we do then most of those missing supporters will be back next season in the Prem, I've no doubt.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Ampth7 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:30 pm

I thought we battered them for the first 15 minutes and we probably should have been out of sight even at that early stage of the game.

Even though they came back into it, we still created plenty of opportunities throughout the game and they never really looked like scoring.

However, it only takes one mistake, one set piece, one opportunity created when you’re only 1-0 up and thankfully it never happened for them and nor did they deserve it.

For the rest of the season, I’ll take 1-0 wins every game, but I suspect we are going to need to start scoring more freely to avoid any more 0-0’s which could seriously impact our chances of automatic if we’re not careful.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Stonehouse » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:36 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:20 pm
Are you sure? All our best chances in the se and half were after Hannibal went off.
Like I say had to watch it on tv ,but Phil Bird was raving how wonderful he was given a free role and certainly gives us more impetuous ,we may have created more chances in the 2nd half when he went off but how many did we create when he was on in the first half?

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by boyyanno » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:37 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:24 pm
it's a glimmer of hope for me. I'd play him instead of Laurent, can't drop Cullen and you would expect Brownhill to be back once fit. Really pleased with the win, can't point the finger at Parker for the laughable finishing but he couldn't take the brake off against what I would argue is the worst Championship side we've seen at the Turf in many a year. I feel like I'm being ultra negative but my eyes tell me that Parker is holding a talented group back. He'll be overjoyed with a 1-0 when in reality someone like Leeds or Sunderland would likely have score at least 5 tonight. Maybe it's just me but given the amount of empty seats I think plenty are bored to tears with it.
I think this is a massive overreaction. Oxford aren't the worst side that's come to the Turf- not even this season, the league table will tell you as much. However we did make them look like it.

Secondly I reject the notion that had we scored more today it makes the performance better. If Foster and Flemming take their chances it doesn't make any difference to how we played does it?

I find it bizarre that you acknowledge we didn't score more due to poor finishing but then blame Parker for not taking off the handbrake. Some will never ever be pleased under this manager that's for sure. One week the result doesn't matter it's the performance, then its the preformance doesn't matter its the result.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by steve1264b » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:40 pm

In the last 6 games;

Leeds have 12 points

Sheff U have 12 points

Burnley have 12 points
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Bosscat » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:41 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm
Another three points thanks to OG. Lot more promising signs in early stages of attack but plenty of awful final balls and inability to test the keeper.

People said all window we need a striker and tonight’s a classic example of why they were saying that.
Bloody hell "inability to test a keeper" he was man of the match for them.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:24 pm
it's a glimmer of hope for me. I'd play him instead of Laurent, can't drop Cullen and you would expect Brownhill to be back once fit. Really pleased with the win, can't point the finger at Parker for the laughable finishing but he couldn't take the brake off against what I would argue is the worst Championship side we've seen at the Turf in many a year. I feel like I'm being ultra negative but my eyes tell me that Parker is holding a talented group back. He'll be overjoyed with a 1-0 when in reality someone like Leeds or Sunderland would likely have score at least 5 tonight. Maybe it's just me but given the amount of empty seats I think plenty are bored to tears with it.
It's called confirmation bias, mate, and is a textbook example of it.

You weren't really happy with him from the start (and I know you're normally glass half full), so you're looking for things to confirm that view - as many are, based on this pre-conceived notion about SP's management style.

Just take each game as it comes. Tonight was good and could have easily been a repeat of the Plymouth game.

Of course he will be happy with 1-0, job done, managed that game well and now on to the FA cup before the run in.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by beddie » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:49 pm

I think from a football perspective even Parker will be and has been thinking for sometime that we need a quality striker. Pretty sure the club have been working hard to find one but it just didn’t for whatever reason happen. Great first half tonight that should have resulted in us being 4 up. Second half okay but somehow we’ve got to solve this lack of scoring.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:51 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:16 pm
I've been as critical and as bored as anybody over our last few performances but tonight took the p*ss.

Why have we become so entitled? That atmosphere tonight (and the attendance) was disgusting. I could understand if it was another lifeless and chanceless pedestrian performance but we created countless chances in the first 15 minutes alone and yes a couple were absolute sitters but the performance was much livlier. The moaning and whining around me was constant.
The final whistle was greeted with almost silence and polite applause. Just bizarre.

Scott Read alluded to it on Radio Lancashire and he and David Unsworth just thought the atmosphere was very strange considering we created so much and dominated the game.

Have our heads gone as fans? We have just moved into 2nd in the league ffs
Blame social media (especially Tik Tok) where 'outrage' and stating non-objective, hysterical opinions gains traction. Turfcast does some alright stuff, but some of the 'reactions' are a prime example of what I'm getting at. Narcissistic, entitled WAFFLE.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by The Shire Claret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:54 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 pm
Another three points thanks to OG. Lot more promising signs in early stages of attack but plenty of awful final balls and inability to test the keeper.

People said all window we need a striker and tonight’s a classic example of why they were saying that.
Did you watch the match ?

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by daveisaclaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:56 pm

Can't see that as papering over the cracks, that's how it's meant to work and it did. Created a few chances, didn't give them a sniff, job done. It's mostly boring but c'est la vie.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:59 pm

I enjoyed it tonight …thought we showed real attacking intent throughout and the scoreline massively flattered Oxford. Too much negativity. Yes, I wish we could have signed a goal scorer but not sure who there is out there whom we could realistically have brought in.
The defensive record is astonishing. Just mad !!
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:01 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:44 pm
It's called confirmation bias, mate, and is a textbook example of it.

You weren't really happy with him from the start (and I know you're normally glass half full), so you're looking for things to confirm that view - as many are, based on this pre-conceived notion about SP's management style.

Just take each game as it comes. Tonight was good and could have easily been a repeat of the Plymouth game.

Of course he will be happy with 1-0, job done, managed that game well and now on to the FA cup before the run in.

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Not sure about that tbh, my issue with tonight is we started the second half pretty flat and once again Parker failed to make any changes to even try and regain the momentum in the game because he's more than happy to win 1-0. That's my biggest frustration with him tbh.

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by jlup1980 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:03 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:44 pm
It's called confirmation bias, mate, and is a textbook example of it.

You weren't really happy with him from the start (and I know you're normally glass half full), so you're looking for things to confirm that view - as many are, based on this pre-conceived notion about SP's management style.

Just take each game as it comes. Tonight was good and could have easily been a repeat of the Plymouth game.

Of course he will be happy with 1-0, job done, managed that game well and now on to the FA cup before the run in.

UTC.
Tonight wasn't good. It was average at best. I agree we started well and it should have been another Plymouth, but our finishing highlighted what we all knew before the transfer window - we need a natural scorer. Then, thankfully, they scored for us and the game ended. The second half was as dull as dishwater. We didn't look to kill the game off, we played to hold onto a 1 nil at home against Oxford.

Tonight was a chance to score goals and build confidence. Oxford were absolutely shocking, rank bad. We didn't even need to press particularly hard and they seemed to melt away (the Sarmiento shot towards the end summed that up!). We should have battered them and put a marker down. We won, which is always great, but it's not the full story, not by a long way.
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:05 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:01 pm
Not sure about that tbh, my issue with tonight is we started the second half pretty flat and once again Parker failed to make any changes to even try and regain the momentum in the game because he's more than happy to win 1-0. That's my biggest frustration with him tbh.
He's made changes before and we've been notably worse as a result. The lads he could have brought on, Edwards/Shelvey etc will starting seeing minutes after a bit more time with the squad. Just have some faith!!

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:06 pm

jlup1980 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:03 pm
Tonight wasn't good. It was average at best. I agree we started well and it should have been another Plymouth, but our finishing highlighted what we all knew before the transfer window - we need a natural scorer. Then, thankfully, they scored for us and the game ended. The second half was as dull as dishwater. We didn't look to kill the game off, we played to hold onto a 1 nil at home against Oxford.

Tonight was a chance to score goals and build confidence. Oxford were absolutely shocking, rank bad. We didn't even need to press particularly hard and they seemed to melt away (the Sarmiento shot towards the end summed that up!). We should have battered them and put a marker down. We won, which is always great, but it's not the full story, not by a long way.
So if it was 'average at best' but 'should have been another Plymouth', who is that on?

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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:08 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:05 pm
Just have some faith!!
I've had faith since the 80s mate and I'll be getting up at 4:30am to watch us play PNE, it's the hope that kills you !
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Re: Papering over the cracks

Post by dvalley69 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:09 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:06 pm
So if it was 'average at best' but 'should have been another Plymouth', who is that on?
SP of course. You do know he's the one who tells them to put the ball in the net! Or is it the shackles he puts on them so they can't score goals?
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