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Foul throws

Post by Awayfromburnley » Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:29 pm

You shouldn't see professional players commit a foul throw.

That said there was one given in the Utd V Leicester game tonight against Utd. Iam not sure what for. The law states:

1- stand facing the field of play
2- have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
3- throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play

There seems to be a clamour for a foul throw when a player throws it short and in a downward manner. Where does it say in the rules that you can't do that?

Just a bug bear of mine.


https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... e-throw-in

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Re: Foul throws

Post by chekhov » Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:49 pm

Like a lot of rules, the ones for foul throws seem to be very inconsistently applied. For example, I used to think that you should have both your feet planted on the ground. Also that your hands should release the ball from behind your head. don’t know if this is the case, but that’s what I learnt when I was a kid.

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Re: Foul throws

Post by LincsWoldsClaret » Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:09 pm

You see half a dozen every game
Rules? Some are applied, some aren’t

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Re: Foul throws

Post by martin_p » Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:25 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:29 pm
You shouldn't see professional players commit a foul throw.

That said there was one given in the Utd V Leicester game tonight against Utd. Iam not sure what for. The law states:

1- stand facing the field of play
2- have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
3- throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play

There seems to be a clamour for a foul throw when a player throws it short and in a downward manner. Where does it say in the rules that you can't do that?

Just a bug bear of mine.


https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... e-throw-in
Surely the only way of throwing the ball in ‘a downward manner’ is releasing the ball after it’s passed the top of the head, making it a foul throw.
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Re: Foul throws

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:43 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:25 pm
Surely the only way of throwing the ball in ‘a downward manner’ is releasing the ball after it’s passed the top of the head, making it a foul throw.
That was exactly what Mazraoui did tonight. Ironically the Leicester throw-in from the handover was also a foul throw but not called.

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Awayfromburnley » Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:35 am

It doesn't say it has to be released over the head though. That's what is confusing me.

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Leisure » Sat Feb 08, 2025 7:01 am

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:29 pm
You shouldn't see professional players commit a foul throw.

That said there was one given in the Utd V Leicester game tonight against Utd. Iam not sure what for. The law states:

1- stand facing the field of play
2- have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
3- throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play

There seems to be a clamour for a foul throw when a player throws it short and in a downward manner. Where does it say in the rules that you can't do that?

Just a bug bear of mine.


https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... e-throw-in
So does no. 2 mean that part of the thrower's feet can be inside the touchline?

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Foulthrow » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:02 am

It doesn’t bother me in the slightest ;)
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Re: Foul throws

Post by timshorts » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:22 am

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 5:35 am
It doesn't say it has to be released over the head though. That's what is confusing me.
Throw the ball from behind and over the head rather means that it has to be released from behind, doesn't it?

If you are still holding it, then you haven't yet thrown it.

A couple of arsenal players should have been caught doing that on Wednesday, but that would only have made arteta even more feeling the victim.

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Stonehouse » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:38 am

Do what Arsene Venger said and replace throw ins in own half only with free kicks ,it wouldn’t half speed the game up .

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Re: Foul throws

Post by dougcollins » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:39 am

I see foul throws every game at TM.

Most officials don't appear to know how to spot them.

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:44 am

In my Ref training we were told to be wary of long throw merchants. They are in fact using one hand to sling the ball with the other placed slightly to one side guiding the ball.There were multiple foul throws by Dalot last night overlooked by the ref and linesman

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:45 am

I think the OP is right, and most people aren't reading the rules, including some on this thread

It doesn't mention anything about when you need to release the ball. Throwing the ball from behind your head only relates to where the start of the throwing action needs to begin.

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Leisure » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:48 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:45 am
I think the OP is right, and most people aren't reading the rules, including some on this thread

It doesn't mention anything about when you need to release the ball. Throwing the ball from behind your head only relates to where the start of the throwing action needs to begin.
But about the position of the feet?

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Re: Foul throws

Post by dougcollins » Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:48 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:44 am
In my Ref training we were told to be wary of long throw merchants. They are in fact using one hand to sling the ball with the other placed slightly to one side guiding the ball.There were multiple foul throws by Dalot last night overlooked by the ref and linesman
Exactly that. It's ok saying you're not bothered about foul throws, but if someone gets away with one of these and they score against you, you're not gonna be too happy.
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Re: Foul throws

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:59 am

A foot up is a foul throw.

Both feet must be on the ground, with at least some of both feet touching or behind the line.

(Also an ex ref)

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:47 am

Leisure wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 8:48 am
But about the position of the feet?
Part of your feet can be over the line. As long as you don't have one or both feet completely past the line, that's fine

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Re: Foul throws

Post by IanMcL » Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:12 am

martin_p wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2025 11:25 pm
Surely the only way of throwing the ball in ‘a downward manner’ is releasing the ball after it’s passed the top of the head, making it a foul throw.
This

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Awayfromburnley » Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:06 pm

But it doesn't explicitly say in the rules where the ball needs to be released, does it?

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Re: Foul throws

Post by martin_p » Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:30 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:06 pm
But it doesn't explicitly say in the rules where the ball needs to be released, does it?
The word ‘throw’ implies release. If you haven’t released it you haven’t thrown it!

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Leon_C » Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:35 pm

The throw-in rule defines the arc that the ball must follow.
It's not explicitly stated where the ball must be released, but, provided that the throw begins behind the head, it would usually be deemed acceptable to release the ball in a downward direction.

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Re: Foul throws

Post by Awayfromburnley » Sat Feb 08, 2025 1:22 pm

I don't know why it doesn't just state, "must be released when directly above the head and not forward of the head"

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