Is The Sheff Wed Game Must Win?....

[NL Claret]

Too many posters have become convinced/obsessed with the mantra that Parker doesn’t want to win matches and sets up for 0-0 in every game.

I can’t work out which thread is more depressing, this one or the 0-0 thread.

Posters seem to take enjoyment in 0-0 as it gives them plenty to post about.

Anyway, I’ve had my daily 5 minutes on the message board. Might check in tomorrow to see if any of the gloom has lifted.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Getting into the play-offs with our poor scoring record is an achievement in itself. Maybe we can look forward to a Wembley visit.

[KRBFC]

We’re falling off the pace with all these draws, it’s time to mix it up a little.

I’d rather see us lose a few more games going all out to win them instead of drab draws.

If we draw 0-0 tomorrow or we see another samey tepid no urgency to win display I’d consider a managerial change for the run in. (Danny Rohl id take)

This 4231/433 with players out of position and defensive mindset isn’t working currently, we need a mindset change, release the handbrake, get more attacking players on the pitch, up the tempo and just get after teams from minute 1.

[NL Claret]

We’re falling off the pace with all these draws, it’s time to mix it up a little.

I’d rather see us lose a few more games going all out to win them instead of drab draws.

If we draw 0-0 tomorrow or we see another samey tepid no urgency to win display I’d consider a managerial change for the run in. (Danny Rohl id take)

This 4231/433 with players out of position and defensive mindset isn’t working currently, we need a mindset change, release the handbrake, get more attacking players on the pitch, up the tempo and just get after teams from minute 1.

Think that’s twice I’ve read posters would rather lose, really? Can you imagine the grief and meltdown if / when we lose?

Will posters come out and say I’m glad we’ve lost, no is the simple answer.

Falling off the pace, 7 points from the last 9. No urgency to win, where is this coming from?

[Holtyclaret]

Think that’s twice I’ve read posters would rather lose, really? Can you imagine the grief and meltdown if / when we lose?

Will posters come out and say I’m glad we’ve lost, no is the simple answer.

Falling off the pace, 7 points from the last 9. No urgency to win, where is this coming from?

It comes from folk willing Parker to lose and fail to prove they were right that he was a poor choice of manager.

Must be distressing for them to see he’s actually doing rather well.

We’re right in the mix with a quarter of the season to go.

This weird entitlement that we ought to win every game or we’ve failed is plain odd.

Just imagine the boost the players would feel if they knew the supporters were behind them, almost like it’s something that’s missing.

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[NL Claret]

It comes from folk willing Parker to lose and fail to prove they were right that he was a poor choice of manager.

Must be distressing for them to see he’s actually doing rather well.

We’re right in the mix with a quarter of the season to go.

This weird entitlement that we ought to win every game or we’ve failed is plain odd.

Just imagine the boost the players would feel if they knew the supporters were behind them, almost like it’s something that’s missing.

UTC

You are right Paul, posters seem to blank out won games and just keep going on about 0-0 draws. If there hasn’t been a post for a few days someone will start one about setting up to draw matches or Parker wants 0-0 draws. Imagine convincing yourself that this is the case. There is the entitlement or expectancy that we should be winning most games by 4 or 5 in this awful low quality league too.

[Jakubclaret]

It comes from folk willing Parker to lose and fail to prove they were right that he was a poor choice of manager.

Must be distressing for them to see he’s actually doing rather well.

We’re right in the mix with a quarter of the season to go.

This weird entitlement that we ought to win every game or we’ve failed is plain odd.

Just imagine the boost the players would feel if they knew the supporters were behind them, almost like it’s something that’s missing.

UTC

I think it's more down to extreme paranoia the belief that people want parker & the players to fail. Some people are slightly concerned that we've lost some ground & think the play offs are more likelier now than automatic a week or ago or so that's all there is to it. It's not going to make a difference to our chances 1 way or the other that a handful of people on a forum are having some doubts & view some games more critical than others in terms of yielding points.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It comes from folk willing Parker to lose and fail to prove they were right that he was a poor choice of manager.

Must be distressing for them to see he’s actually doing rather well.

We’re right in the mix with a quarter of the season to go.

This weird entitlement that we ought to win every game or we’ve failed is plain odd.

Just imagine the boost the players would feel if they knew the supporters were behind them, almost like it’s something that’s missing.

UTC

Such a childish point of view.

Got nothing to do with wanting Parker to fail.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Such a childish point of view.

Got nothing to do with wanting Parker to fail.

Nobody wants him to fail. We are just commenting on what we are being served up. Look at the opposition we’ve faced views on us too. They all say the same things. Throw in the Fulham and Bournemouth fans too and the majority say exactly the same.

[Holtyclaret]

I think it's more down to extreme paranoia the belief that people want parker & the players to fail. Some people are slightly concerned that we've lost some ground & think the play offs are more likelier now than automatic a week or ago or so that's all there is to it. It's not going to make a difference to our chances 1 way or the other that a handful of people on a forum are having some doubts & view some games more critical than others in terms of yielding points.

I was referring to the sub par atmosphere at Turf which the players pick up on rather than the vocal
Minority on here.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nobody wants him to fail. We are just commenting on what we are being served up. Look at the opposition we’ve faced views on us too. They all say the same things. Throw in the Fulham and Bournemouth fans too and the majority say exactly the same.

Totally agree there’s this really wierd attitude among the fan base where any slight complaints or discussions around need to increase our attacking prowess instantly gets turned into this childish debate that fans just want Parker to fail.

I really like Parker I think he’s a good bloke that gets the club. But I am also critical of the fact that he needs to let the handbrake go in the last 13 games to give us a chance of automatic promotion

[NL Claret]

Nobody wants him to fail. We are just commenting on what we are being served up. Look at the opposition we’ve faced views on us too. They all say the same things. Throw in the Fulham and Bournemouth fans too and the majority say exactly the same.

Did you read the Oxford fan view of Burnley?

Hull commentator the other week, best team he’d seen all season and played better football than under VK, so are they ALL saying the same things or are they different from the negativity agenda?

It’s this fixed mindset I cannot understand.

Oh, the old, Fulham and Bournemouth fans warned us about Parkerball.

[Jakubclaret]

I was referring to the sub par atmosphere at Turf which the players pick up on rather than the vocal
Minority on here.

What do you expect? Football for some people is meant to be about entertainment a sense of excitement. If the players want the atmosphere to improve they are going about it the wrong way or perhaps instructed to do so. Anyway not to labor the point you get my drift.

[KRBFC]

It comes from folk willing Parker to lose and fail to prove they were right that he was a poor choice of manager.

Must be distressing for them to see he’s actually doing rather well.

We’re right in the mix with a quarter of the season to go.

This weird entitlement that we ought to win every game or we’ve failed is plain odd.

Just imagine the boost the players would feel if they knew the supporters were behind them, almost like it’s something that’s missing.

UTC

I don’t think you read my post properly, I said I’d rather see us lose more games by really trying to win. Not quite the same as saying I want to see us lose and Parker to fail.

[Ampth7]

Nobody wants Parker to fail! The simple facts are, we don’t score enough goals for one reason or another, hence the mass of 0-0 draws which are costing us dearly.

Sure, we are still third and in with a shout of top 2, but it seems reasonable to expect us to be a bit more dynamic in attack to try to turn tight games into wins.

Is it therefore not reasonable for some fans to want to challenge the status quo, especially because for many of those draws we have never looked like scoring!

[KRBFC]

Think that’s twice I’ve read posters would rather lose, really? Can you imagine the grief and meltdown if / when we lose?

Will posters come out and say I’m glad we’ve lost, no is the simple answer.

Falling off the pace, 7 points from the last 9. No urgency to win, where is this coming from?

I didn’t say I want to see us lose, don’t be so stupid.

I’ll accept losing in the run in, if it means we’re going all out to win. We need wins.

The gap between us and 2nd place is growing, we were a win off top of the league not so long ago.

You can’t tell me Parker was desperate to win that game at Fratton Park when Trafford was time wasting with 10 minutes to play. Same in the Leeds Boro and Sunderland games, 20 minute to play and almost an acceptance of a point.

[Murger]

Did you read the Oxford fan view of Burnley?

Hull commentator the other week, best team he’d seen all season and played better football than under VK, so are they ALL saying the same things or are they different from the negativity agenda?

It’s this fixed mindset I cannot understand.

Oh, the old, Fulham and Bournemouth fans warned us about Parkerball.

So ignore fans of 2 of Parker’s previous teams, but pay attention to an Oxford fan and a Hull commentator? Aye, ok.

[Darnhill Claret]

What I don't understand is the logic behind a statement such as, I'd rather lose a game than draw it 0-0.

[NL Claret]

So ignore fans of 2 of Parker’s previous teams, but pay attention to an Oxford fan and a Hull commentator? Aye, ok.

The prime example of the fixed negative mindset.

[NL Claret]

I didn’t say I want to see us lose, don’t be so stupid.

You tYped you would rather see us lose.

I typed about why would fans rather we lost.

Not sure why you have changed yours and mine wording or by changing it you can call me stupid to save face?

[evensteadiereddie]

Sheff Weds recent away record is very good. If we get after them, we'd better make sure we get at least a couple.

[Jakubclaret]

What I don't understand is the logic behind a statement such as, I'd rather lose a game than draw it 0-0.

The results aren't necessarily the most important thing to some people they prefer entertainment. Fortune favours the brave. If 2 games are equally as boring but bring different results you'd take the win as a bonus. But if the 2 games are different in terms of excitement the chance to win it even if it meant losing would be more preferable to a dull draw as a spectacle. We are so conditioned into thinking that a draw represents progress maybe lost sight of a bigger prize that could potentially await.

[Jakubs Tash]

You tYped you would rather see us lose.

I typed about why would fans rather we lost.

Not sure why you have changed yours and mine wording or by changing it you can call me stupid to save face?

I think you have misread his post on all fairness.

The point being made is that there’s very little to gain now with draws given the league position we find ourselves in and the points gap. We are virtually guaranteed a play off spot but the only way we get a top two spot is to win games of football.

Time to take more risks to win games in the knowledge that we may give away more opportunities to the opposition in doing so.

[Jakubclaret]

I think you have misread his post on all fairness.

The point being made is that there’s very little to gain now with draws given the league position we find ourselves in and the points gap. We are virtually guaranteed a play off spot but the only way we get a top two spot is to win games of football.

Time to take more risks to win games in the knowledge that we may give away more opportunities to the opposition in doing so.

That's very true. If this continues it's open to question which is most important a proper shot at the autos or to keep continuing with the clean sheet record.

[Darnhill Claret]

Scot Parker has decided over the course of this season, to play to our strengths. That is, to look at the players at his disposal and find a system to best suit them, and at the same time bring success, hopefully promotion back to the Prem.
In the first 2 games he saw that we had strength in attack and used a system, that allowed us to gain 6 points from 2 games, with a goal difference of +8.
Following transfers out and transfers in he had to reassess and decided to build from a position of defensive strength that the players would buy into.
From then, this policy has been great for our club and has kept us comfortably in the top 4, with a reasonable to good chance of winning automatic promotion. This has also brought us an almost certain chance of finishing in the top 6, a minimum requirement.

Unfortunately there are also 3 other clubs in a similar position so automatic won't be decided for a while yet.

His tactics were no different at Plymouth to other games, it was just that our shots, pretty much all were 1 touch hits, that came off.
The Leeds home game, was a one off, as both teams decided the priority was to not lose, and it was a poor game, entertainment wise.
We don't need to change anything, we just need to be more positive in front of goal and ignore the negative noise.

I still believe that we will go up automatically. Either way, whichever clubs do finish top two will have deserved it over the 46 games, whether it includes us or not. However our players, coaches and manager deserve our full and unwavering support until the very end, even if some of us would want to see more goals, more wins and more entertainment.
Personally I'm a football fan and a realist in knowing that in each game we may not achieve the result that we want or think that we are entitled to.

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[Quicknick]

Scot Parker has decided over the course of this season, to play to our strengths. That is, to look at the players at his disposal and find a system to best suit them, and at the same time bring success, hopefully promotion back to the Prem.
In the first 2 games he saw that we had strength in attack and used a system, that allowed us to gain 6 points from 2 games, with a goal difference of +8.
Following transfers out and transfers in he had to reassess and decided to build from a position of defensive strength that the players would buy into.
From then, this policy has been great for our club and has kept us comfortably in the top 4, with a reasonable to good chance of winning automatic promotion. This has also brought us an almost certain chance of finishing in the top 6, a minimum requirement.

Unfortunately there are also 3 other clubs in a similar position so automatic won't be decided for a while yet.

His tactics were no different at Plymouth to other games, it was just that our shots, pretty much all were 1 touch hits, that came off.
The Leeds home game, was a one off, as both teams decided the priority was to not lose, and it was a poor game, entertainment wise.
We don't need to change anything, we just need to be more positive in front of goal and ignore the negative noise.

I still believe that we will go up automatically. Either way, whichever clubs do finish top two will have deserved it over the 46 games, whether it includes us or not. However our players, coaches and manager deserve our full and unwavering support until the very end, even if some of us would want to see more goals, more wins and more entertainment.
Personally I'm a football fan and a realist in knowing that in each game we may not achieve the result that we want or think that we are entitled to.

UTC

Darnhill, that was probably the best and most balanced post on this thread.

[Goliath]

Scot Parker has decided over the course of this season, to play to our strengths. That is, to look at the players at his disposal and find a system to best suit them, and at the same time bring success, hopefully promotion back to the Prem.
In the first 2 games he saw that we had strength in attack and used a system, that allowed us to gain 6 points from 2 games, with a goal difference of +8.
Following transfers out and transfers in he had to reassess and decided to build from a position of defensive strength that the players would buy into.
From then, this policy has been great for our club and has kept us comfortably in the top 4, with a reasonable to good chance of winning automatic promotion. This has also brought us an almost certain chance of finishing in the top 6, a minimum requirement.

Unfortunately there are also 3 other clubs in a similar position so automatic won't be decided for a while yet.

His tactics were no different at Plymouth to other games, it was just that our shots, pretty much all were 1 touch hits, that came off.
The Leeds home game, was a one off, as both teams decided the priority was to not lose, and it was a poor game, entertainment wise.
We don't need to change anything, we just need to be more positive in front of goal and ignore the negative noise.

I still believe that we will go up automatically. Either way, whichever clubs do finish top two will have deserved it over the 46 games, whether it includes us or not. However our players, coaches and manager deserve our full and unwavering support until the very end, even if some of us would want to see more goals, more wins and more entertainment.
Personally I'm a football fan and a realist in knowing that in each game we may not achieve the result that we want or think that we are entitled to.

UTC

I think you're overexaggerating those first 2 fixtures. Luton were a really poor side which has been proven since, and we just dat back hitting balls over the top to counter. It was a particularly attacking set up.

The same with Cardiff, we got away with it a bit first half, didn't play very well and then they collapsed second half and we used our quality to hit a few long range screamers to flatter us. They were also a really poor side, it turned out that we had a really kind start to the season fixture wise which was a bonus and probably helped us massively.

The evidence from Parkers previous clubs is this his teams always play this way, I don't think it's really just playing to our strengths.

[billyhamilton82]

You forgot Burnley playing for a draw at home to Leeds was good strategy for them.

Absolutely.

If we win tonight we are on an average of 2 points per game which historically takes you up.

If the other two teams achieve more points then they fully deserve to go up, but as mentioned its unlikely according to history.

As SP has alluded to in his interview, it doesn't matter what the table is currently as its over the course of the season and the points tally you must achieve has already been set.

We are on course to go up automatically.

No panic, we are in a fantastic position and bang on course.

To start worrying about financials for next season at this stage is why those individuals are on this forum and not managing the team or directing the club thank goodness.

[Vegas Claret]

100% must win, we have to put serious pressure on those above

[summitclaret]

Absolutely.

If we win tonight we are on an average of 2 points per game which historically takes you up.

If the other two teams achieve more points then they fully deserve to go up, but as mentioned its unlikely according to history.

As SP has alluded to in his interview, it doesn't matter what the table is currently as its over the course of the season and the points tally you must achieve has already been set.

We are on course to go up automatically.

No panic, we are in a fantastic position and bang on course.

To start worrying about financials for next season at this stage is why those individuals are on this forum and not managing the team or directing the club thank goodness.

That's too complacent, as it's looking likely that quite a bit more than 92 points will be needed this year for automatic. The top 4 are hoovering up more points.

That's why we need to be far more attacking from minute one immediately.

[Spijed]

That's too complacent, as it's looking likely that quite a bit more than 92 points will be needed this year for automatic. The top 4 are hoovering up more points.

That's why we need to be far more attacking from minute one immediately.

Last season Leicester, Leeds, Southampton and Ipswich were all doing well at the same stage points wise.

Then the pressure started to tell and all but Ipswich dropped points at an alarming rate.

And in the end both Leicester and Ipswich would have got promoted on just 91 points such was the speed at which teams collapsed.

[Quicknick]

I predict that Leeds will blow up.

[ClaretLoup]

I predict that Leeds will blow up.

Based on what?

They have won six out of the last seven games, scoring 20 and conceding one.

[dandeclaret]

Based on what?

They have won six out of the last seven games, scoring 20 and conceding one.

Football is not straight line extrapolation…… pressure does funny things at times.

[Darnhill Claret]

I think it is a great championship season, with 3 big clubs and Burnley, (probably the 'biggest, league standing wise, of the four, in recent years'). There have been lots of twists and turns, with just over a quarter of the season, still to come.
I'm enjoying the ride, all four teams have what it takes to gain promotion. I'm still none the wiser as to the final outcome, but as a Burnley supporter, I'm still extremely hopeful, that we will gain promotion.

I just hope that those, more easily frustrated, aren't making the mistake of betting on the outcomes of our matches. However if they are, there have been some great opportunities to make money, due to our fantastic consistency.

Correct scores, 0-0 + 1-0
Burnley to win to nil.
Both teams to score, NO.

But for critics, the best advice is, do not bet on games that include the team that you support.
If you do, bet smaller amounts, and bet with your head and not your heart.
If you have lost money on any particular game, stay off social media for at least 24 hours after each of those games.

[DCWat]

Based on what?

They have won six out of the last seven games, scoring 20 and conceding one.

They have form for it, although I suspect that they’ve learned from that and I expect them to win the league at a canter.

No guarantees of course, “it’s a funny old game”.

Sheff United, for me, are the ones that we need to be hunting down. Whether they or us have the bottle to see it through will decide who finishes second.

I know which manager I’d prefer in pressure situations, when it comes to keeping a level headed team, and it ain’t the sour faced, grumpy tw@t from Yorkshire.

[Stonehouse]

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Nice comments on The Owls forum.

[Quicknick]

Based on what?

They have won six out of the last seven games, scoring 20 and conceding one.

Because they have a tendency to... and wishful thinking...

[Roger1960]

As I think we are nailed on for the playoffs the cautious style of play doesn’t help the team prepare for must win matches rather than the current must not lose style it’s going to take a sudden and dramatic switch which I don’t think we will be able to do , I would rather they tried a more attacking risky style now in preparation