The reality, perspective!!

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by ecc » Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:51 am

21 goalscorers this season (excluding own goals). It seems a lot but is explained by the fact several players who departed just before the window shut scored against Luton or Cardiff.


Vitinho - 1
Roberts - 2
Humphreys - 1
O' Shea - 1
Egan-Riley -1
Estève - 1
Brownhill - 12
Cullen - 1
Laurent - 2
Odobert - 1
JBG - 1
Koleosho - 2
Anthony - 3
Sarmiento - 2
Edwards - 1
Benson - 1
Amdouni - 1
Foster - 2
Flemming - 7
Rodriguez - 2
Barnes - 1

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by morninbob » Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:51 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:30 am
Looking at sheffields fixtures I genuinely think there’s only two games where they might not win.

Coventry and Burnley. I suspect they will win the rest
I bet you had them down for a win at home to Hull.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by morninbob » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:14 am

Souza went off at half time with a hammy, he will probably miss the next 2 at least.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:42 am

morninbob wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:51 am
I bet you had them down for a win at home to Hull.
Off course there could be some freak results but looking at there fixtures they have got a fantastic run in. From the looks of it they only have 4 teams in the top half of the table and only two in the play offs.

I’m still hopeful we do it. But a lot will depend on whether they have a couple of freak results.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:43 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:50 am
There's only two games where they might not win.

Meaningless twaddle.

Clown.
Haha I’m the clown you’re bringing up points from three years ago as some kind of argument.

Grow up Taio. If we are not allowed to talk about our rivals games and prospects there is no point to this forum.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by fatboy47 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:50 am

morninbob wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:51 am
I bet you had them down for a win at home to Hull.
...and at home to us.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by taio » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:52 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:43 am
Haha I’m the clown you’re bringing up points from three years ago as some kind of argument.

Grow up Taio. If we are not allowed to talk about our rivals games and prospects there is no point to this forum.
You are naive. Games are not won on paper. What does this actually mean: 'there’s only two games where they might not win'? They might not win on Tuesday or next weekend.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:58 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:52 am
You are naive. Games are not won on paper. What does this actually mean: 'there’s only two games where they might not win'? They might not win on Tuesday or next weekend.
That’s why I said I think that, it’s my opinion.

Are we now not allowed opinions on rival teams?

Who’s got your panties in a twist this morning

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by matttheclaret » Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:11 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:30 am
Looking at sheffields fixtures I genuinely think there’s only two games where they might not win.

Coventry and Burnley. I suspect they will win the rest
I'm surprised you don't have their trip to Hillsborough next week on that list. I suspect they'll find that anything but straightforward

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:21 am

matttheclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:11 am
I'm surprised you don't have their trip to Hillsborough next week on that list. I suspect they'll find that anything but straightforward
I was debating that but I’ve seen weds a few times this season and I think they are incredibly poor.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:46 pm

If all teams continue their current form as per the past 10 games, we will still be third.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:52 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:46 pm
If all teams continue their current form as per the past 10 games, we will still be third.
Surely changes if we beat Sheff U?

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:00 pm

If they continue their form from the last three games we run away with it.
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:03 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:52 pm
Surely changes if we beat Sheff U?
This is the top 3 if the FORM stays the same as per the last ten games.

Obviously, it's all just nonsense and you can drag data up to fit a variety of narratives. I just found it interesting.

Sheffield United 100

Leeds 99

Burnley 96

Sheffield United's total points over the last 10 games is 24, Leeds' 23 and Burnley's is 22

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by taio » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:10 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:03 pm
This is the top 3 if the FORM stays the same as per the last ten games.

Obviously, it's all just nonsense and you can drag data up to fit a variety of narratives. I just found it interesting.

Sheffield United 100

Leeds 99

Burnley 96

Sheffield United's total points over the last 10 games is 24, Leeds' 23 and Burnley's is 22
Form for the last 6 would have us up automatically with Leeds finishing third. Largely irrelevant though.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:19 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:10 pm
Form for the last 6 would have us up automatically with Leeds finishing third. Largely irrelevant though.
What about the other 4 games though?

The last ten is kind of relevant, due to their being ten left.

OF COURSE, You don’t play games from form. It’s just interesting.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by taio » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:22 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:19 pm
What about the other 4 games though?

The last ten is kind of relevant, due to their being ten left.

OF COURSE, You don’t play games from form. It’s just interesting.
The last six games has the same relevance, or irrelevance, by extrapolating points per game.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Claretnick » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:23 pm

The reality is, win the last 10 games and we are promoted, end of.....unlikely to happen this way but you just never know. All we can do now is be the positive 12th man starting on Tuesday......

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by mybloodisclaret » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:29 pm

Claretnick wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:23 pm
The reality is, win the last 10 games and we are promoted, end of.....unlikely to happen this way but you just never know. All we can do now is be the positive 12th man starting on Tuesday......
100 per cent this...... We need to bring noise and loads of positivity to the games now home and away.

We've got this!!!

If you are Leeds and Sheff U looking at us on your shoulder you are nervous winning ugly (Cardiff) scoring rate has improved and other than one conceded at Cardiff defence is looking strong.

If I was either of them two.... I'd be nervous.
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by dibraidio » Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:38 pm

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/cham ... /predicted

This site seems to think we'll be champions.

They're expecting Leeds to win 7 and draw 3, Sheff Utd to win 6 draw 3 and lose 1 and Burnley to win 10.

Not sure how they work that out but I'd settle for that.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by BabylonClaret » Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:29 pm

That site has Leeds dropping points against Oxford and QPR. It has Sheffield dropping pokts against Plymouth!!!!

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:37 pm

As another poster has said, if we manage to win all our games we are up.

Let’s go for that. It could be one of the most memorable ends to a season ever.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by BabylonClaret » Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:41 pm

I'm all for that. I think it's quite conceivable we could remain undefeated ti the end of the season. And now we are scoring more maybe we might? We went 10 wins o the bounce under VK

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Goliath » Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:06 pm

Looking at our fixtures. It looks like 4 of the last 5 will be against teams with nothing to play for. I'd take that over teams at the bottom fighting for their lives any day.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Commy » Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:56 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:03 pm
This is the top 3 if the FORM stays the same as per the last ten games.

Obviously, it's all just nonsense and you can drag data up to fit a variety of narratives. I just found it interesting.

Sheffield United 100

Leeds 99

Burnley 96

Sheffield United's total points over the last 10 games is 24, Leeds' 23 and Burnley's is 22
Surely though that would depend on their result against us.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by dsr » Mon Mar 10, 2025 1:28 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:42 am
Off course there could be some freak results but looking at there fixtures they have got a fantastic run in. From the looks of it they only have 4 teams in the top half of the table and only two in the play offs.

I’m still hopeful we do it. But a lot will depend on whether they have a couple of freak results.
That's not particularly fantastic. On a purely average basis, they would be expected to play 2 in the play-offs and 5 in the top half, so it's pretty near the average.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Elizabeth » Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:31 am

The thread started off questioning whether our lack of goalscoring was going to cost us automatic promotion. Are we now saying that that is no longer going to be an issue. Certainly we are scoring more goals now.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:20 am

Commy wrote:
Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:56 am
Surely though that would depend on their result against us.
No.

Because if we are one of their two defeats, the points will still be the same over the course of the 10 games if the next ten games match up with the last ten based off the form.

We will draw more, they win more, despite two losses, they would still get more points than us.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Apr 26, 2025 2:51 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
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Look at history of the championship. You need 70-80 goals to be in the top two.

People feel free to write down how many goals are in this team.

Discounting the first two games, we have 50 at most.

Thats not Parker’s fault.

It is what it is.

It’s not a style of play, nor how they set up, just a fact we don’t have enough players who can score goals.

Go on list the players and goals they will get, let’s see if anyone can get over 50.?


Is that 66 goals scored now with a home game to go ? Nearly every player has scored

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by HurstGrangeClaret » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:03 pm

Good post Elizabeth.
Not sure how the bedwetters are feeling now.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by bfcmik » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:12 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:29 pm
That site has Leeds dropping points against Oxford and QPR. It has Sheffield dropping pokts against Plymouth!!!!
And it was spot on!
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by bfcmik » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:13 pm

Stonehouse wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:02 am
About 40 if we’re lucky.
Haha!!! ;)

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Row x » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:16 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:13 pm
Haha!!! ;)
Strangely he hasn't posted since March :lol:

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Bacchus » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:05 pm

While it is childish (and amusing) I do admire the dedication to digging these threads out. Some of our more relentless moaners and armchair critics really have some lessons to learn. Of course, we all know they won't do that.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by NewClaret » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:09 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:30 am
Looking at sheffields fixtures I genuinely think there’s only two games where they might not win.

Coventry and Burnley. I suspect they will win the rest
You should retire from making predictions about Sheff U Newcastle

Although maybe third time lucky?

;)
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by NewClaret » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:13 pm

Bacchus wrote:
Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:05 pm
While it is childish (and amusing) I do admire the dedication to digging these threads out. Some of our more relentless moaners and armchair critics really have some lessons to learn. Of course, we all know they won't do that.
It’s been a great laugh this time. Always get a bit worried I might’ve contributed when one crops up though :lol:

It’s less a lesson for the critics - they’ll continue - and more a lesson for the majority that read these threads not to take any notice of them.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by GetIntoEm » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:16 pm

Where's Newcastle claret gone?
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Bacchus » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:22 pm

GetIntoEm wrote:
Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:16 pm
Where's Newcastle claret gone?
Probably playing Championship Manager as his research for the transfer threads this summer

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Steddyman » Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:34 pm

GetIntoEm wrote:
Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:16 pm
Where's Newcastle claret gone?
Where has burnley007 gone

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Apr 26, 2025 5:58 pm

Bacchus wrote:
Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:05 pm
While it is childish (and amusing) I do admire the dedication to digging these threads out. Some of our more relentless moaners and armchair critics really have some lessons to learn. Of course, we all know they won't do that.
I remember being described as wonderfully optimistic when I listed players and areas of the field I thought would get the number of goals we have got. Of course I didn't get it spot on, especially with Foster. The point being that we were capable of scoring and this needed saying then and now.

I'm going to resist the '0-0 results were going to cost us' posts other than to say that following the 0-0 against Preston on 15th Feb we have played 12 league games and the only 0-0 was against Derby away.. Even then after the Derby result people were bleating about it.
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by mybloodisclaret » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:01 pm

Some Big Hitters who are Burnley fans who like to have a go been missing for a bit. Hope they are all OK.

Won't be long until it's more of a challenge next season and they can come back and criticise all things Burnley; Mr Pace + board, the players and definitely the manager.

Get behind the team folks, honestly it feels so much better when you do. Travelling North on the train and it's a great atmosphere after another special away day.
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Ampth7 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:23 pm

I don’t mind admitting that I have been highly critical of certain performances earlier in the season especially some of the 0-0’s which were simply not entertaining to watch at all in my opinion.

I make no apologies for being critical because personally I do expect a certain level of entertainment when paying good money to travel and watch games. Others may see this differently and that’s fair enough.

However, huge credit is due to Parker, his staff and players for both the ridiculous defensive effort and for peaking performance wise over the past few months whilst others have wilted. Fingers crossed we can beat Millwall to win the league again.

One thing that I have learned from this season is to try to be more patient by accepting it’s not always going to go our way, even in a league which we have dominated for several seasons now. With that in mind, I hope Parker and Pace are able to bring in the reinforcements needed to at least give us a fighting chance next season without tearing apart the unity developed the way VK inexplicably did last season.

Onwards and upwards and here’s to a 17th place finish or higher if possible next season! UTC

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by LoveCurryPies » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:35 pm

brexit wrote:
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I never thought I would say this, but I would have Dyche back tomorrow
:lol: Still feel this way? Maybe you also think brexit was a good idea as well? :lol:
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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by brexit » Sun Apr 27, 2025 10:27 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:
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:lol: Still feel this way? Maybe you also think brexit was a good idea as well? :lol:
No correctly called out on Dyche. I've said before that I work for the EU and my daily interactions just confirm that belief. It is easy to have an ideological view of Brexit, and I respect that view. But if you actually had a closer look at how the EU works, you would find rampant nepotism and waste.
The UK is the envy of most political leaders in the EU because it can dictate its policies without having to compromise or UVL shoving her euro mega state policies down their throats.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Apr 27, 2025 11:13 am

Some of the willy waving brigade are already feeling the effects of the sun & we haven't even reached midday. Enjoy the promotion now isn't the time to snipe enough will be going on next season.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by Ric_C » Sun Apr 27, 2025 11:26 am

This season seems a bit of an outlier in terms of goals scored. Is it the way teams are coached nowadays? Or a lack of decent strikers at this level?

The top 8 last season scored over 70 goals, whereas we currently are 3rd in the table on goals scored with 66

What I will say (as others have done), is that as fans we sometimes need to be a bit more patient. We've all been guilty of this over the season.

Pires, Hannibal, CJ, Anthony to name but a few are just a few examples of lads who started off slowly, but have improved over time.

There has also been a marked improvement on team work ethic and structure over the second half of the season, and it has been a bit of an enlightening season for me to see this unfold.

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by mdd2 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 11:30 am

Lowbankclaret » Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:27 pm

Look at history of the championship. You need 70-80 goals to be in the top two.

Will we be OK with 66 and third highest scorers?

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Re: The reality, perspective!!

Post by mdd2 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 11:37 am

That site has Leeds dropping points against Oxford and QPR. It has Sheffield dropping pokts against Plymouth!!!!

That was close.

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