Entitled Fanbase

[Ampth7]

I do wish people would stop having a pop at others for their opinions! Football is a passionate sport, so I do understand how arguments can happen, but I don’t think we need to be slagging people off because their opinion differs from yours.

[Bacchus]

I do wish people would stop having a pop at others for their opinions! Football is a passionate sport, so I do understand how arguments can happen, but I don’t think we need to be slagging people off because their opinion differs from yours.

Having opinions is fine. 'Im finding the style of football a bit boring at times and wish we were more attack-minded' or 'I think we'd be better served with an extra forward instead of Laurent' are opinions that are perfectly valid. Not everyone might agree but that's fine.

What is really tedious is folks filling thread after thread with ridiculous hyperbole, baseless accusations and wildly exaggerated criticism just for the sake of being as negative as possible. Likewise the folks in the ground who moan relentlessly from minute 1 while displaying to everyone around them that they don't have the slightest understanding of what is actually happening on the pitch in front of them.

[Elizabeth]

Obviously I'm 'old school' in terms of age and experience, but also open minded.
We do have an entitled fan base, but no more than any other club. The percentages of entitled fans will of course vary from club to club, but with the explosion of social media it is inevitable. Having a thread like this from the opening poster is borne out of frustration, I guess, as I get similarly frustrated from time to time. Personally I think the majority of Burnley fans would get frustrated by negative posts. The Leeds game, to me, was the only boring game, but that was offset by anticipating that was also very predictable. Most fans who complain, expect us to win each game, whilst in the same breath would accept that we can't win every game.
Even though most appeared to accept SP's early interview points, that there would be 'bumps in the road' they seem to lose their steering and their heads at every bump.

I understand the language of 'we want to be entertained' but don't get football fans thinking that that can be a reality, especially when fans say that Man City are boring. If a club dominates like City have done, I understand some being bored because football should be competitive and unpredictable, yet a lot of our fans expect our games to be uncompetitive and predictable and are bored because our games are more competitive and unpredictable.

Do you see where I'm going?

Football is often a difficult game to win. It can be difficult to score a goal. It can be difficult to stop your opponents scoring. It can be difficult to overcome a team that sets out to 'spoil' a game. Bumps in the road. Injuries, another bump. Poor decisions, another bump. Weather conditions, tiny bump. Poor play, big bump. Every game starts 0-0. It is the score you want if you are unable to score.

Despite all this, we are in a very strong position, yet a lot of fans are finding things to moan about which probably says more about them, than they want to reveal.
Chill out guys, even if we don't go up, we have been in contention for more than 31 games out of 46. This has so far been a very good season. I believe it will get better and we will be in the Premier League again next season. I might end up being wrong. It is only an opinion and a prediction, but there has been nothing this season that has made me think differently. I hope I'm right.

I could have simply been the only person to give your viewpoint a like but I thought it was that insightful and intelligent that it needed quoting again in full for people to have a second opportunity to digest. You are able to see what others cannot in my opinion.

[PremierLeagueClass]

I could have simply been the only person to give your viewpoint a like but I thought it was that insightful and intelligent that it needed quoting again in full for people to have a second opportunity to digest. You are able to see what others cannot in my opinion.

I will second that. As the OP, I will say this post captures the essence of what I was saying in a more measured fashion. As Darnhill points out, my post was borne of frustration.

[PremierLeagueClass]

There are considerably more Burnley fans who react to wins by moaning about other Burnley fans not reacting like they do than there are people complaining about the entertainment by this point.

Why do they feel entitled to a certain reaction from the fanbase?

Not to single you out, this was just the first post I hit that demonstrates the point.

Your first paragraph. If that’s true then fantastic. It shows people are standing up to negativity and challenging it. I do think there’s been a shift the last few days on Social Media with more fans standing up those attacking the team at every opportunity.

There’s plenty of similar posts in this thread from people that take issue when their negativity is challenged.

Negativity breeds negativity. Stand up to it.

[Guller Bull]

Negativity breeds negativity. Stand up to it.

My negativity is based around the fact that I want us to play more positively

[Spijed]

Do we still haven an entitled fanbase?

[GetIntoEm]

I'd say so, it's only the last 2 or 3 home games where there has been much of an atmosphere. All the morons on here went quiet earlier in the year though. Probably the same ones scrabbling around for tickets now.

[daveisaclaret]

Interesting one this because thinking we would and should be promoted was somehow a bad thing on here.

[Ampth7]

For me it’s not about being entitled at all! It’s about setting expectations and as Parker himself recently said, the goal was always promotion which is what we are expected to achieve now at this level. That’s not being entitled, it’s where we now are as a club at this level!

I can’t speak for other posters on this board, but personally I found us a bloody tough watch especially earlier in the season when we were drawing lots of games without laying a glove on the opposition. At that time, I didn’t enjoy the football on offer and felt we could/should have been doing much better! If that had continued we simply wouldn’t have won promotion so thankfully we did improve.

On that basis and as I have mentioned on previous posts, Parker, his staff and the players deserve huge credit for this having now achieved the expected goal of promotion. I have also personally found us a much better team to watch in many matches over the past 3 months because for me, the way my team plays matters from an entertainment perspective.

[Woodleyclaret]

It's been a great season and I've enjoyed it all but I am greedy and would love us to pip DL to the title as just reward for SP and our magnificent team

[dsr]

It's been a great season and I've enjoyed it all but I am greedy and would love us to pip DL to the title as just reward for SP and our magnificent team

Enjoyed it all? I agree every word apart from that, but did you really enjoy the three consecutive home 0-0's in January?

[PremierLeagueClass]

Interesting one this because thinking we would and should be promoted was somehow a bad thing on here.

And that’s exactly what we were on course to do when this thread was started. That was the whole point.

[GetIntoEm]

If anyone thinks that these types of threads were not involving/aimed at "fans" who took delight in slagging off the club, the manager, the players is deluded

[clarets1978]

Enjoyed it all? I agree every word apart from that, but did you really enjoy the three consecutive home 0-0's in January?

Did you not enjoy watching Trafford get into Isodors head and casue him to miss 2 penalties? That game almost felt like a win at the time.

[Darnhill Claret]

I really enjoyed that Sunderland game, along with some other 0-0's, even if there was also some frustration in games that I thought we could win. But there are no gimmes. I remember away to Oxford and away to Portsmouth where I felt that it would be difficult to win, as both of them had good home form at the time. So to hear fans saying we were poor in those games, without acknowledging the opposition, was equally frustrating.

[NL Claret]

I really enjoyed that Sunderland game, along with some other 0-0's, even if there was also some frustration in games that I thought we could win. But there are no gimmes. I remember away to Oxford and away to Portsmouth where I felt that it would be difficult to win, as both of them had good home form at the time. So to hear fans saying we were poor in those games, without acknowledging the opposition, was equally frustrating.

Drawing away at Oxford and Portsmouth was not for everyone one. Sheffield United and Leeds came unstuck there.

[Bosscat]

Did you not enjoy watching Trafford get into Isodors head and casue him to miss 2 penalties? That game almost felt like a win at the time.

That felt for me the turning point ... when Traff saved those 2 pens ... 14 wins and 5 draws followed and Premier League Football once more.

[NL Claret]

That felt for me the turning point ... when Traff saved those 2 pens ... 14 wins and 5 draws followed and Premier League Football once more.

Plymouth away for me was the turning point. Blown away with the quality of the first half football. It had hallmarks of the Dyche promotion when we beat Brentford or MK away around a similar time of the season.

[Devils_Advocate]

Whining about the EFL awards, whining about commentators praising other teams, whining about Sky not choosing us as the main game, pre-whining about the trophy being at Plymouth on Saturday.......yep you lot sound very entitled!!

[Burnley1989]

Whining about the EFL awards, whining about commentators praising other teams, whining about Sky not choosing us as the main game, pre-whining about the trophy being at Plymouth on Saturday.......yep you lot sound very entitled!!

i just shake my head and smile at it sometimes

[Bosscat]

Whining about the EFL awards, whining about commentators praising other teams, whining about Sky not choosing us as the main game, pre-whining about the trophy being at Plymouth on Saturday.......yep you lot sound very entitled!!

Another must try harder post Derek

[Rileybobs]

DA is right though isn’t he. Bunch of cry babies on here at times.

[willsclarets]

I'd say so, it's only the last 2 or 3 home games where there has been much of an atmosphere. All the morons on here went quiet earlier in the year though. Probably the same ones scrabbling around for tickets now.

I said it on another thread months ago, but they all started to go quiet on here the moment that thunderbolt went in from Flemming at Norwich. It all got a bit too positive after that for some.

[dsr]

I said it on another thread months ago, but they all started to go quiet on here the moment that thunderbolt went in from Flemming at Norwich. It all got a bit too positive after that for some.

Do people get a bit fed up of telling fellow Burnley fans "I'm clever and you're stupid, I'm a proper fan and you're not"? Sometimes people disagree with you. Don't take it personally.

(This is addressed to everyone who comes on to have a gloat. Not just willsclaret. Let it rest.)

[dsr]

Did you not enjoy watching Trafford get into Isodors head and casue him to miss 2 penalties? That game almost felt like a win at the time.

I enjoyed the penalty saves, but the result didn't feel like a win. It felt like a draw, and a draw was all we played for.

We had a run of home games in December-January.

Middlesbrough 1-1, where we played for a draw.
Derby 0-0, where we played our usual game and were never going to score, so settled for a draw.
Watford 2-1, we played well.
Stoke 0-0, see Derby above. Until Hannibal was sent off, that seemed somehow to encourage us to attack more.
Sunderland 0-0. we played for a draw.
Leeds 0-0, we played for a draw.

We were doing well in away games and winning matches. What was frustrating was that we weren't trying to win matches at home. Settling for a draw against Leeds and Sunderland is understandable - settling for a draw against Stoke and Derby isn't. I know it's been argued that if you try and win games against the likes of Stoke and Derby you might lose, but it's a very negative attitude and not (IMO) justifiable.

It was also deadly boring. That puts people off too. There's no doubt that Parker has done an outstanding job over the season, but at that point we were in third place and struggling to chase the top two. It was understandable to expect better from some of the home games.

[Row x]

Do people get a bit fed up of telling fellow Burnley fans "I'm clever and you're stupid, I'm a proper fan and you're not"? Sometimes people disagree with you. Don't take it personally.

(This is addressed to everyone who comes on to have a gloat. Not just willsclaret. Let it rest.)

A bit like the responses posters get should they dare to comment on the clubs financial position.

[Cooclaret]

A bit like the responses posters get should they dare to comment on the clubs financial position.

Or the chairman in a positive light!

[Rileybobs]

I enjoyed the penalty saves, but the result didn't feel like a win. It felt like a draw, and a draw was all we played for.

We had a run of home games in December-January.

Middlesbrough 1-1, where we played for a draw.
Derby 0-0, where we played our usual game and were never going to score, so settled for a draw.
Watford 2-1, we played well.
Stoke 0-0, see Derby above. Until Hannibal was sent off, that seemed somehow to encourage us to attack more.
Sunderland 0-0. we played for a draw.
Leeds 0-0, we played for a draw.

We were doing well in away games and winning matches. What was frustrating was that we weren't trying to win matches at home. Settling for a draw against Leeds and Sunderland is understandable - settling for a draw against Stoke and Derby isn't. I know it's been argued that if you try and win games against the likes of Stoke and Derby you might lose, but it's a very negative attitude and not (IMO) justifiable.

It was also deadly boring. That puts people off too. There's no doubt that Parker has done an outstanding job over the season, but at that point we were in third place and struggling to chase the top two. It was understandable to expect better from some of the home games.

We didn't pay for a draw against Sunderland. As I recall we battered them in the early stages and should have scored a couple of goals. As the game progressed the momentum shifted and Sunderland finished strong, and also should have scored. Sometimes you have to react to the pattern of a game and that sometimes means trying to preserve a point, we did this at Derby when we weren't at it and really found ourselves under the cosh on a very difficult surface. In fact, the only game this season where I feel we set up to draw from the outset was at home to Leeds, and I agreed with that approach. In fact, they approached the game in the same way.

Parker has said for some time that he had a points target which he was almost certain would result in us being promoted. His, at times, pragmatic approach has ensured that we got there with games to spare and each of those 'boring' points has contributed to that. There have been some boring performances along the way, but there have also only been two defeats, and I personally feel more satisfied when we pick up a boring point than when we're beaten.

[evensteadiereddie]

Parker has controlled this season almost from beginning to end and has proved to be a genius .
He knew from the outset exactly what was required and when being particularly pragmatic or "cautious" , perhaps he was aware of potential pitfalls we weren't and the priority then became not to lose.
Either way, fair play to the bloke and the lads for a phenomenal performance.

[boyyanno]

I enjoyed the penalty saves, but the result didn't feel like a win. It felt like a draw, and a draw was all we played for.

We had a run of home games in December-January.

Middlesbrough 1-1, where we played for a draw.
Derby 0-0, where we played our usual game and were never going to score, so settled for a draw.
Watford 2-1, we played well.
Stoke 0-0, see Derby above. Until Hannibal was sent off, that seemed somehow to encourage us to attack more.
Sunderland 0-0. we played for a draw.
Leeds 0-0, we played for a draw.

We were doing well in away games and winning matches. What was frustrating was that we weren't trying to win matches at home. Settling for a draw against Leeds and Sunderland is understandable - settling for a draw against Stoke and Derby isn't. I know it's been argued that if you try and win games against the likes of Stoke and Derby you might lose, but it's a very negative attitude and not (IMO) justifiable.

It was also deadly boring. That puts people off too. There's no doubt that Parker has done an outstanding job over the season, but at that point we were in third place and struggling to chase the top two. It was understandable to expect better from some of the home games.

The view point that we didn't win games because we didn't want too is proof of the thread title.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Qpr 0 Burnley 5 we had 16 shots, 6 corners and 27 touches in their box

Burney 1 Boro 1 we had 15 shots, 11 corners and 28 touches in their box
Burnley 0 Derby 0 we had 14 shots, 6 corners and 38 touches in their box
Burnley 0 Stoke 0 we had 18 shots, 6 corners and 37 touches in their box

As boyyanno has said, claiming a team didn't try when they don't win is about as entitled as it gets

[dsr]

A bit like the responses posters get should they dare to comment on the clubs financial position.

Have I ever called you a moron?

[Row x]

Have I ever called you a moron?

Not that I'm aware of

[MrTopTier]

Thought we were disenfranchised, now we are entitled. I can’t keep up.

[dougcollins]

Thought we were disenfranchised, now we are entitled. I can’t keep up.

Enfrancised and unentitled.

[dandeclaret]

Qpr 0 Burnley 5 we had 16 shots, 6 corners and 27 touches in their box

Burney 1 Boro 1 we had 15 shots, 11 corners and 28 touches in their box
Burnley 0 Derby 0 we had 14 shots, 6 corners and 38 touches in their box
Burnley 0 Stoke 0 we had 18 shots, 6 corners and 37 touches in their box

As boyyanno has said, claiming a team didn't try when they don't win is about as entitled as it gets

Too many people still failing to look past the stereotype at the actual reality……

[willsclarets]

Do people get a bit fed up of telling fellow Burnley fans "I'm clever and you're stupid, I'm a proper fan and you're not"? Sometimes people disagree with you. Don't take it personally.

(This is addressed to everyone who comes on to have a gloat. Not just willsclaret. Let it rest.)

It's not a gloat, it's an observation. Certain posters did go a hell of a lot more quiet after that goal. I can't see what that's to do with intelligence, either. And I don't even think it means any of those particular posters are "worse fans". They just massively overreact when things go badly.

[dsr]

It's not a gloat, it's an observation. Certain posters did go a hell of a lot more quiet after that goal. I can't see what that's to do with intelligence, either. And I don't even think it means any of those particular posters are "worse fans". They just massively overreact when things go badly.

The recycling of thread after thread isn't just observation, it's gloating.

[dsr]

Qpr 0 Burnley 5 we had 16 shots, 6 corners and 27 touches in their box

Burney 1 Boro 1 we had 15 shots, 11 corners and 28 touches in their box
Burnley 0 Derby 0 we had 14 shots, 6 corners and 38 touches in their box
Burnley 0 Stoke 0 we had 18 shots, 6 corners and 37 touches in their box

As boyyanno has said, claiming a team didn't try when they don't win is about as entitled as it gets

If those numbers are trying to prove that we played just as well or were just as entertaining v. Stoke and Derby as we were v. QPR, they ain't working with me ...

[willsclarets]

The recycling of thread after thread isn't just observation, it's gloating.

I was referring to my post, not the recycling of threads. But I think there are some, like you, conflating differences of opinion, which is obviously fine, and the endless moaning that occurred day after day. There were some posters that didn't even have opinions really, just repeated attacks void of content. At Parker, and at certain players who had hardly kicked a ball for Burnley.

It's not that these posters were "wrong", we all are, a lot of the time. And it's not that criticism wasn't warranted, it was. It's that they plastered this board with spam. The threads got recycled basically because of a minority of posters within them, made this board hard work to read for a while. Particularly on match days which I use a lot.

So when I say they went quiet after Norwich, it's an observation. They did. And thank God. There were still people with criticisms and different, less positive opinions from then on. No problem. That's not why these threads got bumped.

[martin_p]

It's not that these posters were "wrong", we all are, a lot of the time.

However, those posters were wrong.