The Henderson Decision

[taio]

Sometimes you don't need to be so militant enforcing the rules just apply common sense for the greater good.

I'm happy in many ways that they didn't. I wanted CP to win and had Henderson been sent off I think City would've won. But that doesn't alter my view that the laws of the game should be applied and that in this instance I don't believe they were.

[fidelcastro]

Am I the only one who just thinks that the VAR officials didn't want the game to be over as a contest because it was the FA Cup final?

I'm convinced it would have been a red card all day long in a standard PL game.

[chekhov]

I’m so biased against Manchester City that I’m unable to form an objective opinion. Any decision going against them is okay by me.
What I can say is that, bearing in mind the penalty decision they got awarded was dodgy at best, things seem to have evened themselves out.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm happy in many ways that they didn't. I wanted CP to win and had Henderson been sent off I think City would've won. But that doesn't alter my view that the laws of the game should be applied and that in this instance I don't believe they were.

Your stance is contradictory we have already established there is no right or wrong. So really what you mean is - "But that doesn't alter my view that the laws of the game should be applied" as i see fit. You can't validate something with certainty when other people disagree.

[taio]

Your stance is contradictory we have already established there is no right or wrong. So really what you mean is - "But that doesn't alter my view that the laws of the game should be applied" as see I fit. You can't validate something with certainty when other people disagree.

That's why I said 'I don't believe they were' which cleared acknowledges it's my subjective opinion. I recognise that you think otherwise.

[Roosterbooster]

That's not strictly true though, Haaland was definitely running away from goal and if he had connected with the ball his touch would have taken him further away from goal still. Henderson is entitled to be where he is to make Haaland go around him and away from goal, he isn't of course entitled to handle the ball outside the area. There were also defenders who would have been covering a subsequent shot at goal. So the VAR officials had to weigh up whether Haaland's direction of travel (definitely away from goal), and covering defenders prevented this from being an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Like I said, I think they got it wrong, but I don't agree in any way that it was a howler, and we know the bar is set a little higher if the decision is going against the on-field call (although that should probably be irrelevant as the on-field ref didn't even think it was a handball).

I think you need to watch it again. Imagine Henderson isn't there. Haaland's touch would take it towards goal and give him an open net. Even with Henderson there, Haaland can take a touch that gives him a shot from a decent angle in the area.

Henderson does have a right to be there, and alter Haaland's course. But he doesn't have a right to commit a foul. If, in the act of committing that foul, he alters Haaland's course to make him deviate his run, and therefore effectively lessens the sanction, then this needs to be taken into account. Henderson is essentially rewarded for committing the foul.

The defenders would have got back to help cover, only because Haaland was pushed out wide, otherwise you're suggesting they can run faster than Haaland can shoot

[Roosterbooster]

The ball was running loose & wild even without hendersons intervention maybe he would have controlled it maybe wouldn't have done we'll never know for sure. Couple that with covering defenders narrowing the angle it's not a forgone conclusion haaland would have scored.

If a Premier League striker can't take that ball down and finish from there then they are in the wrong job. It wasn't loose amd wild. It was just bouncing

[Jakubclaret]

Bouncing you are not kidding as well as the ball travelling a fair rate of knots. The ball was anything but under control.

[taio]

If a Premier League striker can't take that ball down and finish from there then they are in the wrong job. It wasn't loose amd wild. It was just bouncing

It's why Shearer, Rooney, Wright and others are clear Henderson denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity

[Jakubclaret]

It's why Shearer, Rooney, Wright and others are clear Henderson denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity

That isn't conclusive it's just opinions a sizable minority think Henderson deserved to stay on the pitch.

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[Spijed]

At the very least why wasn't Henderson booked as he deliberately handled it outside the area?

[fidelcastro]

At the very least why wasn't Henderson booked as he deliberately handled it outside the area?

Because the ref missed it and VAR can't award yellow cards.

[taio]

That isn't conclusive it's just opinions a sizable minority think Henderson deserved to stay on the pitch.Screenshot_20250518_162404_uk_co_bbc_android_sportdomestic_MainActivity.jpg

Like I keep saying to you, I accept a minority have a different view.

That poll will include many Crystal Palace fans.

[Jakubclaret]

Like I keep saying to you, I accept a minority have a different view.

That poll will include many Crystal Palace fans.

Just a general broad view. Its similar to the poll when lutons goal was allowed to stand in controversial circumstances maybe all the hardcore hatters voted. It's crazy to suggest it's just 1 team influencing the results. It will be people from Manchester, Aberdeen, London, Cardiff all over that are voting.

[taio]

Just a general broad view. Its similar to the poll when lutons goal was allowed to stand in controversial circumstances maybe all the hardcore hatters voted. It's crazy to suggest it's just 1 team influencing the results. It will be people from Manchester, Aberdeen, London, Cardiff all over that are voting.

Yes, of course other fans will have voted. I note that a majority believe he should've been sent off.

[Jakubclaret]

Yes, of course other fans will have voted. I note that a majority believe he should've been sent off.

I'm not disputing that. It's probably very telling how it's divided & merits a discussion based on that. Bringing Wayne rooney's sagely wisdom in support can probably be discounted & Alan shearers stance lurched from it's something of nothing to henderson being fortunate.

[Rileybobs]

I think you need to watch it again. Imagine Henderson isn't there. Haaland's touch would take it towards goal and give him an open net. Even with Henderson there, Haaland can take a touch that gives him a shot from a decent angle in the area.

Henderson does have a right to be there, and alter Haaland's course. But he doesn't have a right to commit a foul. If, in the act of committing that foul, he alters Haaland's course to make him deviate his run, and therefore effectively lessens the sanction, then this needs to be taken into account. Henderson is essentially rewarded for committing the foul.

The defenders would have got back to help cover, only because Haaland was pushed out wide, otherwise you're suggesting they can run faster than Haaland can shoot

Haaland was running diagonally away from goal and in order to get to the ball before Henderson his touch was going to take the ball further in that direction without a touch from Henderson. I think there is a very strong case that Henderson prevented a clear goalscoring opportunity (whatever that actually means), but I can also see why the VAR has taken into account Haaland’s direction of travel, because it very definitely was away from goal.

I would be interested to know how officials have been briefed as to what actually determines an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Had the handball been committed by a defender and Henderson was on his goal line I’m almost certain that most people would agree it wouldn’t have been a clear goalscoring opportunity. Obviously Henderson being out of his goal makes the opportunity easier for Haaland. But what does the word ‘obvious’ mean in this context. Technically any shooting opportunity is an obvious goalscoring opportunity. The lawmakers don’t make things easy for themselves or the officials with such ambiguity.