Hartman

[Holmechapel]

Says he’s come here just as an interim stop for his career.

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[Swizzlestick]

Glad our players are ambitious if anything. The link to the full quote is here, which I imagine has also been translated from Dutch. https://sportwitness.co.uk/burnley-sign ... o-manager/

[wadeswondergoal]

Perfectly acceptable point of view.

Wouldn’t want to be signing players who see Burnley as their ceiling - and I don’t think the business model of the club would appreciate that either.

[Woodleyclaret]

So now he has to put in stellar performances to attract some serious Saudi money for Burnley

[Darthlaw]

I've no problem with this.

Come here, play out of your skin, keep us in the PL and earn a move to a bigger club. We make profit on you and will not stand in your way when an acceptable offer arrives.

Should be exactly what we're aiming for from our younger players.

[randomclaret2]

No issues at all with this

[boyyanno]

I also don't care about this.

If he gives his all on the pitch he doesn't have to be a Burnley fan.

[boatshed bill]

It's probably true of the majority of professionals that they constantly seek to better themselves.

[Procrastinate B]

We’re seen as a decent proposition for hungry young players, which can only be a good thing.

[Jakubclaret]

You can talk the talk but you have to walk the walk. The PL is an unforgiving environment if you lack the necessary standard required.

[Quickenthetempo]

Every player we have ever had has been a stop gap. They all get replaced at some point.

[alwaysaclaret]

No problem with this as long as he doesn't choose to move on at the end of the season, if he is a vital cog in keeping us in the Premier league I'd prefer he stays for at least a second season in order to help us become re-established, not just move on at the drop of a hat, just the same as with other new signings, we can't carry on having to almost do a complete rebuild season after season as seems to be the case atm, we need to try and get back to a point where there's some continuity, similar but not quite as literal as in the dyche era.

[Ptgclaret]

I'd be delighted to see him at a bigger club after success with us.

[Casper2]

Disrespectful to the club and fans , why not just keep your mouth shut .

[burnley007]

As a fan, I am just using Burnley as a stepping stone too, I hope to support Barcelona one day.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Pope still Catholic, and Bears still defecating in wooden areas, i take it?

[Vegas Claret]

it's literally our model and our biggest selling point.

[Gp8419]

Think that but don’t say that the joys of premier league football. Imagine staying behind to clap this clown off! I think it’s disrespectful saying it to be honest.lets be honest we will never be attractive the only loyal players who get the club have been British in the main. Fortunately esteve seems to be a breath of fresh air.

[GetIntoEm]

Pretty obvious that this profile of player isn't coming to Burnley to see their career out. Not bothered by this

[Burnley1989]

Hes bang on to be fair, its the same in all walks of life

[KellyClaret]

Pope still Catholic, and Bears still defecating in wooden areas, i take it?

I doubt bears go about their business on decking much but guess it has happened...

[Ampth7]

Disrespectful to the club and fans , why not just keep your mouth shut .

I’m not sure I agree. I do understand your sentiment, however, I think it’s a good thing that the players we are signing are ambitious enough to want to play at the highest level possible.

In fairness to him, he talks positively about how Parker presented our project to him and if he wants to eventually join a bigger club and get back in the Holland squad, then he will need to put a shift in and play well for us.

If this means he performs brilliantly this season, we benefit on the pitch in the short term and financially when a bigger club comes calling in the longer term.

Ultimately, we are a yo-yo club so to speak and whether we like it or not we are never going to reach the levels of the top 6 in the premier league which is clearly what he is aspiring towards.

Let’s enjoy him whilst we can, assuming he turns out to be a gem.

[DCWat]

it's literally our model and our biggest selling point.

Exactly this.

[Vegas Claret]

the other thing to point out here is the Dutch are famously direct, one of my best mates here is Dutch and you could quite easily get offended by what he says but he has no clue how direct he is so it's actually funny - it's a cultural thing

[Goliath]

Players are incredibly thick. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just a silly thing to say in the media when you've just signed for a new club. His priority should be settling in and performing for us, not looking down the line at a potential move.

I think it does actually have an effect on the relationship between fan and player sometimes when it's obvious they don't want to be here long. I felt like Trafford was similar in that regard in that he never gave any impression of wanting to be here long term and it meant the relationship with the fans wasn't a particularly warm one.

(Before we get the usual reactions saying I'm an idiot/drama queen and take offence to anything... I'm not offended and don't care, it's just my view that it's a stupid thing to do)

[Goliath]

it's literally our model and our biggest selling point.

That's the clubs business. The player needs to focus on performances, that's how he gets his move. No point spouting off in the media about wanting a big move before he's ever played Premier League football.

If we compare it to the real world. It's like getting a new job and in the first week saying you are looking to move to a different company. Of course progression is most people's aim but you don't start talking about leaving. It's a bit silly

[Jakubclaret]

That's the clubs business. The player needs to focus on performances, that's how he gets his move. No point spouting off in the media about wanting a big move before he's ever played Premier League football.

If we compare it to the real world. It's like getting a new job and in the first week saying you are looking to move to a different company. Of course progression is most people's aim but you don't start talking about leaving. It's a bit silly

It's very premature & punchy.

[Vegas Claret]

That's the clubs business. The player needs to focus on performances, that's how he gets his move. No point spouting off in the media about wanting a big move before he's ever played Premier League football.

If we compare it to the real world. It's like getting a new job and in the first week saying you are looking to move to a different company. Of course progression is most people's aim but you don't start talking about leaving. It's a bit silly

unless there is a video of the interview and it's word for word what he says I'll not waste a moment condemning him, it's not like written interviews ever get twisted...

[claretonthecoast1882]

I would hope every single player who joins us has this attitude and want to be the very best they can be and play at the highest level.

I wish I was surprised by some comments.

Not sure we need players to kiss the badge and say they want to stay forever. I suppose we could always sign players that nobody else would want.

[ŽižkovClaret]

"TBH its a nice contract for 4 or 5 years so i'm happy to just chill here and pootle along"

Would anyone seriously prefer that?

[helmclaret]

How dare he have some ambition. I expect every player to buy a house in Worsthorne and remain in the area forever. The lack of commitment is quite frankly, disgusting.

[BurnleyFC]

Don’t all players want to play at the highest level possible?

If they don’t then they should.

[Goliath]

unless there is a video of the interview and it's word for word what he says I'll not waste a moment condemning him, it's not like written interviews ever get twisted...

That's fair. I'm going off the assumption that he wasn't misquoted. It'd be a bit of a bizarre thing to make up, it's not exactly big news.

[jedi_master]

I have no issue with a player being honest, and frankly lets hope he is right! If we end up flogging him for £30m+ in a year then it's clearly been a success for all parties. The reality though is that it is for him to prove that Burnley is but a stepping stone. We are playing at a far higher level than he has ever played at - it's very confident of Hartman to assume that he will take this league by storm, but plenty of excellent Eredivisie players have come to this league and been absolutely shite (Klaasen, Fischer, Kezman, Locadia, Depay, Janssen, Weghorst etc). Lets hope he is more of a Van Nistelrooy or Vertonghen!

[Ilkley claret]

Class players let their boots do the talking.

Let’s hope he’s not another Wout, who was a legend in his own lunchtime

[Pickles]

Just the same as every player who signs for us.

[scouseclaret]

We all know this is the case for a lot of players who sign for us as a PL club, but not sure he needs to say it out loud.

[scrambledclaret]

the other thing to point out here is the Dutch are famously direct, one of my best mates here is Dutch and you could quite easily get offended by what he says but he has no clue how direct he is so it's actually funny - it's a cultural thing

Yep, this. My partner is Dutch and I often wish she was better at fibbing.

Hey mother says Hartman is a potential diamond meanwhile

[Boss Hogg]

Good to have ambition and we all know some players will see us as a stepping stone and somewhere to showcase their talent/ prove if they are good enough. Not the best way to endear yourself to fans though before you’ve kicked a ball. Wout thought he was too good for us but was actually nowhere near good enough. It’s a new and notoriously tough league so best to let the football do the talking as a poster has mentioned above.

[ollieclarets8]

We all know this is the case for a lot of players who sign for us as a PL club, but not sure he needs to say it out loud.

Yeah I think it's a case of at least he's being honest, but at the same time it didn't really need to be said.

[Dark Cloud]

Disrespectful to the club and fans , why not just keep your mouth shut .

I kind of agree with this. In truth everyone knows that for many of our players we are a chance to prove something and get a big money move to bigger things and Hartman is clearly here to prove his fitness and that he's going to fulfil his much heralded potential (or not!) to the wider footballing world. He knows it and we know it, but no need to be quite so openly blunt about it. (Imo)

[Claretfanatic1982]

Got absolutely no issues with this.

Imagine if he had said he had joined to sit in his "comfort zone " for the next 4-5 years.

All we have got is a translation from a larger interview. None of us know what the actual question was that Hartman was answering.

[Papabendi]

Prefer it if he did something first

[jjclaret]

For what it's worth, I think that maybe, Vegas and Scrambled Clarets have it about right.
Perhaps its not only the wording that sometimes "gets lost in the translation" in this case it could be the intended meaning or even emotion?

[HitchinClaret]

Prefer it if he did something first

I disagree, if he said that after a few games of ripping up the league it would be worse and show more disrespect.
He just seems like a nice honest guy to me? I prefer hungry players who want to be transferred to bigger clubs on bigger wages to the ones that run down their contracts for a last payout

[Casper2]

How dare he have some ambition. I expect every player to buy a house in Worsthorne and remain in the area forever. The lack of commitment is quite frankly, disgusting.

Hardly the point , surely he should be saying it’s a honour to play for such a great club and can’t wait to show the fans what hes got .
He might be lucky he ever got the chance to play for a club like Burnley.

[dougcollins]

All that matters is how he performs for us.

[CoolClaret]

I much prefer people to tell it as it is rather than resorting to tired old platitudes.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I much prefer people to tell it as it is rather than resorting to tired old platitudes.

Honesty is the best policy so long as it is what I want to hear springs to mind

[CalamityClaret]

Zero problem with this. Anyone who says they want playing for Burnley to be the pinnacle of their career is either full of s**t, no ambition or just not good enough to play higher. I love Burnley but if I was good enough I would want to play for one of the biggest clubs in the World. He honesty is refreshing