8 second rule

[Rileybobs]

I'm not sure this idea has been thought out. It led both goalkeepers to panic and make bad, rushed passes out to their defenders. On some occasions there just isn't the time for players to get set to receive a pass from their keeper.

I also thought it was quite slack of us to not have worked on this - we clearly hadn't prepared and we conceded a corner and could have conceded a goal on another occasion when Dubravka played a poor rushed pass into Cullen's feet.

I think we will also see opposition players stand on the goalkeeper now to prevent them from dropping the ball at their feet, forcing them into a rushed pass.

Thoughts?

[boatshed bill]

I'm not sure this idea has been thought out. It led both goalkeepers to panic and make bad, rushed passes out to their defenders. On some occasions there just isn't the time for players to get set to receive a pass from their keeper.

I also thought it was quite slack of us to not have worked on this - we clearly hadn't prepared and we conceded a corner and could have conceded a goal on another occasion when Dubravka played a poor rushed pass into Cullen's feet.

I think we will also see opposition players stand on the goalkeeper now to prevent them from dropping the ball at their feet, forcing them into a rushed pass.

Thoughts?

It's a shite rule.

[maccclaret]

I suspect it won’t be enforced so fastidiously after 10 games.

It was clear that it will affect the pattern of play out from the back once teams have worked out how to effectively press.

It will also affect what keepers do when they catch the ball. A couple of times today Dubravka caught the ball and ran to the edge of the box which, previously, would have resulted in 15-20 seconds waiting for players to get into position. Now, he needs someone to show for a safe, quick out ball, which, fortunately Walker worked out.

Will be interesting to see how it develops.

[WazzaClaret]

It's a shite rule.

Is it 8 seconds from when the last opposition player has left the box? I know that may sound daft but would probably be a better way of doing it if not.

[NottsClaret]

It’ll be a distant memory by November.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I’m sure it will be consistently applied throughout the season.

[Cheshireclaret]

Like the six second rule before that, and countless others - added time being properly administered, 'simulation' being clamped down on, bellowing at the referee being clamped down on etc etc it will last as long as it takes for a decision to be decisive in a 'big game' before it'll be completely forgotten about.

Ironically, it'll prove to be a complete waste of time.

[Stacks]

It wasn’t thought out??

It was trialed in three professional leagues around the globe for a full year

They surveyed thousands of non football fans and the most common comments were the game is too slow/boring and not enough goals

This rule should help with both

[CharlieinNewMexico]

If a player stands on the goalkeeper the 8 seconds gets reset.
(I believe)

[Goody1975]

It's easy for Oliver to do it to little old Burnley.

Let's see if he wants to do it in high profile games between the top sides, or will he find something else to focus on for the initial few seconds the keeper has the ball?

They have always had the power to enforce the time the keeper holds the ball, they just decided not to use it.

[clarethomer]

It's easy for Oliver to do it to little old Burnley.

Let's see if he wants to do it in high profile games between the top sides, or will he find something else to focus on for the initial few seconds the keeper has the ball?

They have always had the power to enforce the time the keeper holds the ball, they just decided not to use it.

He gave us 14 seconds according to the commentary

[boatshed bill]

I was at a local league game today. The ref did the 5 second countdown which everyone could hear.
left me wondering if there was a better way in the league grounds, PA or something.

[Elizabeth]

They have always had the power to enforce the time the keeper holds the ball, they just decided not to use it.

They are hoping the award of a corner instead of an indirect free kick encourages refs to enforce it now

[MrTopTier]

Goalkeepers fannied about for 30 seconds at a time last year and Traff was one of the worst culprits.

It’s a clear rule. Gets the ball back on the pitch quicker, hope it continues to be applied.

Part of the details that need working on and if used as a tactic by using the press, could be useful. That’s provided we can improve our set pieces.

[daveisaclaret]

If they want to get rid of timewasting then good for them, but given Spurs were awarded a corner and their player spent longer than 8 seconds stood over it before taking it I'm not too sure what this rule actually achieves

[fanzone]

Absolutely brilliant idea.

Should be brought in for throw ins and free kicks aswell.

Give fans the 90 minutes football they pay for

[taio]

In favour of it so as long as it's applied rigorously, which is doubtful.

[taio]

If they want to get rid of timewasting then good for them, but given Spurs were awarded a corner and their player spent longer than 8 seconds stood over it before taking it I'm not too sure what this rule actually achieves

I suppose, in comparison to a corner, it's a recognition that the goalkeeper is in possession far more than players taking corners, and is the main occurrence of time wasting.

[G0foste]

Why don't we just play 60mins of time in play. Makes much more sense nowadays. I hate changing rules that have been there for so long and I am a traditionalist, however other rules such as back-passes, offside, handball, subs, have all occurs Apart from stopping the momentum in a game it makes time wasting absolutely pointless.

With so much money in football
all team time waste when winning.

[gandhisflipflop]

Here’s a radical idea. How about they stop changing the rules every year and go back to basics? Scrap the defenders entering the box rule and apply common sense to hand ball rules. It really doesn’t need to be this complicated.

[aggi]

Well all you need to to do is have a player tie their laces and the ref will happily suspend the rule.

I think it's 8 seconds from when the ref tells them rather than when they hold it, which is obviously open to abuse.

Very surprising we seemed to have no idea it even existed on a defending or attacking basis.

[Roosterbooster]

If they want to get rid of timewasting then good for them, but given Spurs were awarded a corner and their player spent longer than 8 seconds stood over it before taking it I'm not too sure what this rule actually achieves

You couldn't allow for more added time if the GK held on to the ball for too long, because the ball was in play - it was essentially free time. You can add on extra time if a player unfairly delays taking a corner / throw in etc

[Goody1975]

I agree with what most have said, ultimately it is a good plan, although it does seem to make the game a little rushed sometimes.

My concern (like with all directives) is that these are enforced equally, no matter the players/teams involved.

We've all seen enough of top flight football to know that there is an unconscious bias towards bigger teams, not because the game is corrupt but the referees know themselves what an incorrect game defining decision means for them if they get it wrong, this often sees them second guessing themselves.

[Rosehill Claret]

If a goalkeeper falls foul of this rule, they are likely wanting to prevent the other team from taking the ball and going for a quick corner. One way to do this is to kick the ball away - would that result in a yellow card for the goalkeeper?

[morpheus2]

Well all you need to to do is have a player tie their laces and the ref will happily suspend the rule.

I think it's 8 seconds from when the ref tells them rather than when they hold it, which is obviously open to abuse.

Very surprising we seemed to have no idea it even existed on a defending or attacking basis.

Well, the Cricket Field Stand will need to be clear on the rules, I can imagine everyone shouting out a countdown as soon as it's in the opposition keeper's hands. Trouble is them boys will count down from Eight in about Three seconds going on past synchronized chanting.

[Ampth7]

Don’t worry, give it 3 weeks and nobody will enforce this new rule. Honestly, the FA are an absolute s**tshow and couldn’t organise a p**s up in a brewery!

[Ashingtonclaret46]

The referee will decide when the goalkeeper has control of the ball and the eight seconds begin and will visually count down the last five seconds with a raised hand.

If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick against the attacker will be awarded.

A corner kick on the side of the field nearest to the goalkeeper is awarded for the first such offence by a goalkeeper.

A second offence will have a warning from the referee added, while a third will lead to the referee issuing the ‘keeper a yellow card.

[IPAclaret]

I've no problem with us being the first team to fall foul of it (erm, there's a surprise), now let's see if the rule is applied equally everywhere, to all teams in all games. I mean, of course it will be ...

[CharlieinNewMexico]

[quote=Ashingtonclaret46 post_id=2600263 time=1755374117 user_id=

If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick against the attacker will be awarded.
[/quote]

Thank you! I knew I’d read you couldn’t just stand on the keeper.

[wilks_bfc]

[quote=Ashingtonclaret46 post_id=2600263 time=1755374117 user_id=

If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick against the attacker will be awarded.

Thank you! I knew I’d read you couldn’t just stand on the keeper.
[/quote]

I’d have thought not being able to stand on the keeper would have been within the laws for some time now

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Thank you! I knew I’d read you couldn’t just stand on the keeper.

I’d have thought not being able to stand on the keeper would have been within the laws for some time now
[/quote]

Utter woke nonsense!
In my day pitch at the top end of the Hard Platts keepers always got a kicking and were happy to welcome it too

[Tricky Trevor]

Love the law but one incident worried me. We had all XI back defending a dead ball and Dubravka caught the cross. He was then left with no out ball so in blind panic, after the earlier corner award, threw it to Walker in the RB position. We got away with it but it could have led to worse. Needs thinking about.

[timshorts]

I was at a local league game today. The ref did the 5 second countdown which everyone could hear.
left me wondering if there was a better way in the league grounds, PA or something.

Ours put his hand up when he judged there was 4 seconds to go and then lowered each finger. It seemed to work pretty well.
Foul throws and shirt pulling were allowed, and Jordan cropper's booking a bit ott. He got the big decisions right, though. No var. Hooray. A **** linesman. Boo.

[ChrisG]

I'm guessing the keeper can still drop the ball and keep it at his feet as the ball is then in play?

Surely there's no huge difference to how it always was then?

[bart_claret]

Another improvement would be an audible warning that people in the ground can also hear. The referee could press a button on his wrist that plays the Channel 4 Countdown clock. Let's add a bit fun back into the game.

[ArmchairDetective]

As long as its fairly implemented I'm fine with it. But it won't be.

[summitclaret]

This rule will disadvantage us even if refs give us corners, because we are xxxx at them. Powder puff in fact. We need a monster right side cb now.

[Rileybobs]

[quote=Ashingtonclaret46 post_id=2600263 time=1755374117 user_id=

If during the counting process an attacking player pressures or prevents the goalkeeper releasing the ball, an indirect free-kick against the attacker will be awarded.

Thank you! I knew I’d read you couldn’t just stand on the keeper.
[/quote]

Ashington didn’t say that you can’t stand on the keeper, he said you can’t prevent him from playing the ball. This doesn’t mean a player can’t stand next to the keeper to prevent him from dropping the ball at his feet.

[Foulthrow]

Spurs showed how to get round the rule yesterday. One of the few occasions we had them under the pressure and the ball came to their keeper. One of their defenders claimed to be injured - no treatment required - and the ref gave them a drop ball. This broke up any momentum we had and Spurs soon scored their second.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Thank you! I knew I’d read you couldn’t just stand on the keeper.

Ashington didn’t say that you can’t stand on the keeper, he said you can’t prevent him from playing the ball. This doesn’t mean a player can’t stand next to the keeper to prevent him from dropping the ball at his feet.
[/quote]

Just happened in the Man U game. Keeper had it, Gyokeres went to stand on him, instant indirect free kick.

[Rileybobs]

Just happened in the Man U game. Keeper had it, Gyokeres went to stand on him, instant indirect free kick.

I didn’t see that, but what do you mean by stand on the keeper? I can’t see any reason why an attacker can’t follow a goalkeeper around his area as long as he’s not preventing the keeper from playing the ball.

[Spike]

Well all you need to to do is have a player tie their laces and the ref will happily suspend the rule.

I think it's 8 seconds from when the ref tells them rather than when they hold it, which is obviously open to abuse.

Very surprising we seemed to have no idea it even existed on a defending or attacking basis.

Having already used the rule against us it was totally ridiculous to abandon the rule for doneone to tie his shoelaces . Next news the ref will be sending for his mum to tie them
Very dodgy moment

[dougcollins]

Well all you need to to do is have a player tie their laces and the ref will happily suspend the rule.

I think it's 8 seconds from when the ref tells them rather than when they hold it, which is obviously open to abuse.

Very surprising we seemed to have no idea it even existed on a defending or attacking basis.

Set piece coach responsibility?

[Row x]

Completely pointless law change whilst keepers are still wasting time with goal kicks and free kicks, players taking longer with throw ins, and players going down with pretend injuries at key moments in the game.

[Vegas Claret]

it's a stupid rule, the time needs doubling. It means teams can't get into shape, another complete and utter **** up by the powers.

[Goodclaret]

Completely pointless law change whilst keepers are still wasting time with goal kicks and free kicks, players taking longer with throw ins, and players going down with pretend injuries at key moments in the game.

Exactly this. All the crap going on with cheating and time wasting and they focus on this. It's as though they want to be looking to do something to stop it but not really implement anything substantial.

[claretburns]

Ben White took 32 seconds to take a throw in for Arsenal today and ref did nothing about it.

[jos]

I use the 5 second rule myself, unless the dog beats me to it.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I didn’t see that, but what do you mean by stand on the keeper? I can’t see any reason why an attacker can’t follow a goalkeeper around his area as long as he’s not preventing the keeper from playing the ball.

The reason is since this rule change you’re not allowed to do it anymore

[Rileybobs]

The reason is since this rule change you’re not allowed to do it anymore

Can you show me this rule change please because I don’t think this is correct.