Osmajic

[burnmark]

It’s the Lancashire Post who revealed the news today via their PNE reporter:

[Woodleyclaret]

Fao ClaretTony this fiasco has gone on far too long it should have been sorted inside a month after the event.The FA and their stance on racism has been shown to be seriously flawed. Hannibal has been totally let down in this situation.

[Jakubclaret]

Fao ClaretTony this fiasco has gone on far too long it should have been sorted inside a month after the event.The FA and their stance on racism has been shown to be seriously flawed. Hannibal has been totally let down in this situation.

You could actually argue it's osmajic that's been let down if he's innocent with it hanging over his head. It cannot just be assumed that osmajic is guilty a lot of people seem to be forgetting that's he actually denied the allegation & it's not been proven. Without knowing the truth it's reasonable to conclude the FA is letting 1 of them down for sure just not sure which 1.

[ClaretTony]

Fao ClaretTony this fiasco has gone on far too long it should have been sorted inside a month after the event.The FA and their stance on racism has been shown to be seriously flawed. Hannibal has been totally let down in this situation.

Not sure why you started this with an fao for me but have you considered that the FA's stance on racism is so strong that it has forced them into a long investigation? And, as has previously been said, is it not possible that Osmajic is telling the truth and that it is he who would be let down and not Hannibal?

[nil_desperandum]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.
It's dragged on to the point where the transfer window will be closed, so selling him will be difficult whilst this hangs over him, and if he does get a lengthy ban the window is closed so they can't replace him.
FWIW I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but whether guilty or not this lengthy process, whilst the FA have gone through due process, has not helped PNE or the player very much.

[daveisaclaret]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.

Preston finished 1 point above relegation last season and Osmajic scored goals in two draws after the incident so this takes some working out

[nil_desperandum]

Preston finished 1 point above relegation last season and Osmajic scored goals in two draws after the incident so this takes some working out

I certainly agree with that - and said so at the time, but once the season had ended then the scenario that I described above became active.

[GetIntoEm]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.
It's dragged on to the point where the transfer window will be closed, so selling him will be difficult whilst this hangs over him, and if he does get a lengthy ban the window is closed so they can't replace him.
FWIW I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but whether guilty or not this lengthy process, whilst the FA have gone through due process, has not helped PNE or the player very much.

Surely it's not about what's good for which club, it's about justice for Hannibal and the fact that he was racially abused (alleged)

[nil_desperandum]

Surely it's not about what's good for which club, it's about justice for Hannibal and the fact that he was racially abused (alleged)

Exactly, and that’s why due process had to be followed to try to try to establish the truth

[FCBurnley]

No reason why we should benefit but if case is proven then PNE and player should be the ones punished

[Papabendi]

Not sure why you started this with an fao for me but have you considered that the FA's stance on racism is so strong that it has forced them into a long investigation? And, as has previously been said, is it not possible that Osmajic is telling the truth and that it is he who would be let down and not Hannibal?

We're back to the scope of the info at hand which we all agree is very narrow. I think it would be fairer to all parties involved if this could have been resolved sooner rather than a needless overhang.

[ClaretTony]

We're back to the scope of the info at hand which we all agree is very narrow. I think it would be fairer to all parties involved if this could have been resolved sooner rather than a needless overhang.

I’m sure it would have been much better had it been resolved earlier. We will never know the reasons for it taking this length of time.

[burnley007]

I’m sure it would have been much better had it been resolved earlier. We will never know the reasons for it taking this length of time.

Are they potentially putting new processes in place to deal with this kind of incident? Perhaps could be the delay?

I'm guessing this will crop up more and more.

[Lu-tze]

You could actually argue it's osmajic that's been let down if he's innocent with it hanging over his head. It cannot just be assumed that osmajic is guilty a lot of people seem to be forgetting that's he actually denied the allegation & it's not been proven. Without knowing the truth it's reasonable to conclude the FA is letting 1 of them down for sure just not sure which 1.

Precisely- it is not fair on either of them.

If (and it’s a big if being as his defence is that he called Hannibal ‘a bad man’- I mean..come on..) Osmajic is innocent then it’s an awful thing to be tarred with for this length of time.

As for Hannibal apart from the fact that if he’s telling the truth it must be absolutely soul destroying to be racially abused and wait this long for any justice there’s also the issue that he is a divisive/sh!thouse type of player anyway so with this hanging over him it’s likely he will get even more abuse from opposition racist/meathead fans this season on top of what he usually gets if they feel he has made a fraudulent claim of racial abuse.

Just really really hope it can be cleared up soon without any doubt and not turn out like the Jayrod case in which I don’t believe either player was at fault- it was just a case of jay being misheard but because it couldn’t be proven one way or another both players ended up getting stick.

I have to say though the length of time it’s taken that’s looking less and less likely.

[Chester Perry]

No matter how you look at it, it has no impact on Burnley whatsoever, but the timing of this could not be worse for PNE.
It's dragged on to the point where the transfer window will be closed, so selling him will be difficult whilst this hangs over him, and if he does get a lengthy ban the window is closed so they can't replace him.
FWIW I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but whether guilty or not this lengthy process, whilst the FA have gone through due process, has not helped PNE or the player very much.

Signed Lewis Dobbin from Aston Villa on a year long loan tonight - need a striker but certainly provides the cover should a lengthy ban ensue

[Dark Cloud]

I'd be extremely surprised if Osmajic faces any punishment. Ultimately I believe he said something extremely derogatory because I was there and Hannibal reacted immediately and was clearly incandescent for quite some time. However, nobody else appeared to hear it or corroborate it, otherwise the ref would have acted and so it surely can't ever be proved, even beyond reasonable doubt, unless he admits it which he clearly isn't going to. Two sides with conflicting stories and no independent evidence, so no punishment I'd assume.

[Jakubclaret]

I'd be extremely surprised if Osmajic faces any punishment. Ultimately I believe he said something extremely derogatory because I was there and Hannibal reacted immediately and was clearly incandescent for quite some time. However, nobody else appeared to hear it or corroborate it, otherwise the ref would have acted and so it surely can't ever be proved, even beyond reasonable doubt, unless he admits it which he clearly isn't going to. Two sides with conflicting stories and no independent evidence, so no punishment I'd assume.

That's quite a reasonable & balanced view on things & I agree. I think MO said something but can't be sure. I find it quite uncomfortable & disturbing to a degree the people harboring extreme views that's he's outright guilty without compelling evidence. It's quite a stark contrast to the views embedded on the forum previously regarding fair trials & presumption of innocence until proven guilty. A strange set of affairs.

[boatshed bill]

I'd be extremely surprised if Osmajic faces any punishment. Ultimately I believe he said something extremely derogatory because I was there and Hannibal reacted immediately and was clearly incandescent for quite some time. However, nobody else appeared to hear it or corroborate it, otherwise the ref would have acted and so it surely can't ever be proved, even beyond reasonable doubt, unless he admits it which he clearly isn't going to. Two sides with conflicting stories and no independent evidence, so no punishment I'd assume.

Apart from the PNE player who apparently went in to the Burnley changing rooms to console Hannibal (allegedly).
however, I doubt anything will come of all this as it's all a bit inconclusive.

[ClaretTony]

Interesting and concerning is Alan Nixon claiming that the lip reading experts have been left baffled.

I don't mind Nixon having info on transfers but how on earth is he picking up information from what should be a private matter?

[Taffys milkman]

IF thats the case perhaps they should have got a Serbian & Montenegro and lip reader?

[daveisaclaret]

Although a completely different case, it's disheartening and frankly scary to look at the written reasons released for the Paqueta case for anyone who wants the FA to do a good job with this case. Dragged on forever and came to the case with no evidence and absolutely no change of him being found guilty.

[Spike]

For a multi million pound organisation the FA are shamefully inadequate

[bobinho]

Are they potentially putting new processes in place to deal with this kind of incident? Perhaps could be the delay?

I'm guessing this will crop up more and more.

I’d like to think that it will crop up less and less tbh…

[bobinho]

For a multi million pound organisation the FA are shamefully inadequate

The multi millions are probably spent in the wrong areas. Like massive wages for incompetents and huge bonuses for the unworthy.

If you’ve ever watched “Mike Bassett - England manager” the way the FA is depicted in that film can’t possibly be a million miles away from the reality considering the “progress” they make every year.

[Jakubclaret]

Nobody should have to put up with racist insults or any type of insults to be honest that said a big deals been made out of it. People get racially abused on a daily basis & get on with their lifes. I've been racially abused as a white guy walking down the street it's water off a ducks back. It's often forgotten about that english people are subject to abuse in some minority areas.

[Tricky Trevor]

IF thats the case perhaps they should have got a Serbian & Montenegro and lip reader?

If he said anything in Serbo-Croat and Hannibal understood him I’ll plait fog.