Jaguar Land Rover

[ClaretsPadiham]

Not looking great for them … looking very grim.

[Shaggy]

Good. Serves them right for the ridiculous direction they tried to go

[LoveCurryPies]

Good. Serves them right for the ridiculous direction they tried to go

Would that be forward?

[Shaggy]

Would that be forward?

Over a cliff

[Woodleyclaret]

I thought they'd been sold off cheap to an Indian business. If so we shouldn't be giving more money to them

[gandhisflipflop]

Their breakdown rates are absolutely shocking but they sell because they ‘look nice’

[ŽižkovClaret]

Good. Serves them right for the ridiculous direction they tried to go

I'd probably separate my empathy for the rank and file employees from the board who might have made some questionable marketing strategies.....

[Burnley1989]

Historically one of my biggest customers in the UK, although they havent been building cars this year.
and Yes theyre owned by an Indian group called Tata, who are one of the biggest companies in the world

Its certainly been a tough year for them, I was in Gaydon (R&D) recently looking at all the new electric models and the mood felt flat. I hope they get on top of things as JLR support a hell of a lot of jobs in the UK, direct and through their supplychain

[Bow]

Jaguar and Land Rover seem like strange bed fellows.

Jaguar is in a strange place in that it’s traditional customer base is dying off and desperately needed a rebrand to pivot to a different market - it can’t compete with Audi/BMW/Mercedes so needed to tread a new path. That now looks unlikely so we’ll see what happens and if the brand survives.

Land Rover seems to be booming - there’s an awful lot of new Range Rover and Land Rovers on the road despite their high insurance premiums and dreadful reliability.

If I were JLR I would sell off Jaguar before it crashes and burns and focus on LR

[Bow]

For what it’s worth I thought the electric Jag concept cars were amazing and I’d have one in a heartbeat

[ŽižkovClaret]

I remember David Seaman having a Jag and a Range Rover, and thinking that's pretty much the poster boy for them.

Trouble is, i don't really see the natural successor to him? The old Jag punters now want a leccy sporty model, and the Merc G-Wagon seems to have edged out the old Range Rover, not least because of the theft issues the Range Rover seems to struggle to shake off.

[Andreshotboots]

There are certainly a couple of large companies in Burnley that heavily rely on a succesfull JLR too before people start saying "good", etc..

[ŽižkovClaret]

There are certainly a couple of large companies in Burnley that heavily rely on a succesfull JLR too before people start saying "good", etc..

Aye some people do embody "ignorant" at times, on several levels

[Cirrus_Minor]

Good. Serves them right for the ridiculous direction they tried to go

They have been cyber attacked. A serious criminal offence that potentially puts a company at risk with a workforce of thousands and many more customers. And you think it serves them right?

[gandhisflipflop]

There are certainly a couple of large companies in Burnley that heavily rely on a succesfull JLR too before people start saying "good", etc..

If you’re thinking of the same company that I am, they account for a smaller percentage of their manufacturing. Or at least they did when I worked for them. Not saying they still aren’t reliant though.

[Burnley1989]

If you’re thinking of the same company that I am, they account for a smaller percentage of their manufacturing. Or at least they did when I worked for them. Not saying they still aren’t reliant though.

BCW?

Futaba Tenneco are mainly Toyota as their parent site in the UK is in Foston/Derby next to Toyota

Most of your Nissan press plants are in the North East like SNOP and Gestamp

It would be devestating news for the midlands if any of your JCBs and JLRs made redundancies.

[bpgburn]

Good. Serves them right for the ridiculous direction they tried to go

Maybe spare a thought for the 33,000+ employees working there in the West Mids not to mention other plants in the UK and the wider supply chain that a lot (in the Midlands are heavily JLR dependant) eh?

[Bowclaret]

I’ve just bought my wife a two year old Jag electric I pace - a simply awesome car and like a bat out of hell !

[BurnleyFC]

Feel sorry for the employees but not the company itself if it goes pop.

They managed to make one of the worst engines ever - Ingenium 2 litre diesel - so are reaping what they sow.

[BurnleyFC]

I’ve just bought my wife a two year old Jag electric I pace - a simply awesome car and like a bat out of hell !

Brilliant car, far better than their diesel powered ones.

[Bowclaret]

Brilliant car, far better than their diesel powered ones.

It is, but for me is the sheer power / speed of it - it’s frightening !!

[Jel]

Feel sorry for the employees but not the company itself if it goes pop.

They managed to make one of the worst engines ever - Ingenium 2 litre diesel - so are reaping what they sow.

I've had a couple of XFs, the last one a 2014 model. The engine in those was immense.
So, they then build there own. Epic failure!

[BurnleyFC]

It is, but for me is the sheer power / speed of it - it’s frightening !!

The wife had one as a company car for 6 months. I loved it. Speed, looks, handling - far better than any Tesla I’ve driven (I know that some Teslas are quicker, but they don’t handle as well and the interiors are crap).

I think they’re best second hand buy in the car market right now. You can get a couple of years old top spec HSE with a list price of 80k for around 25k.

[Herts Clarets]

The wife had one as a company car for 6 months. I loved it. Speed, looks, handling - far better than any Tesla I’ve driven (I know that some Teslas are quicker, but they don’t handle as well and the interiors are crap).

I think they’re best second hand buy in the car market right now. You can get a couple of years old top spec HSE with a list price of 80k for around 25k.

And therein lies the issue with EVs. Almost 70% depreciation from new in 2 years. Most ICE cars would lose 30% after 2 years and would take on average 5-6 years to lose 70% of their value when new.

[gandhisflipflop]

BCW?

Futaba Tenneco are mainly Toyota as their parent site in the UK is in Foston/Derby next to Toyota

Most of your Nissan press plants are in the North East like SNOP and Gestamp

It would be devestating news for the midlands if any of your JCBs and JLRs made redundancies.

Futaba. They had a JLR line but as you say it was mainly Toyota

[Claretnick]

I read just now that the company's current troubles have been caused by a cyber attack by hackers and the factories in the UK have been shut for over a week and the employees told not to return until next week. The company has today confirmed that data has been lost

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Cyber attack was noticed on sunday 31st aug, plugs pulled on all systems

Partial restoration of systems for main dealers to enable search for parts and soon some will get deliveries again

Its been a tough 10days, we're getting through it at my dealership and will be fine long term

Yes, jlr uk have had some data stolen

Those moaning about Jaguar rebrand, they're not the target market, never will be either, so maybe bore off and cry about something else because it was boring when you first did it and still is
Jaguar was in decline prior to rebrand but none of the whingers mention this interestingly

Amusingly someone traded in a Lambo Urus for a new range rover the other week at our place
Its still a prestige brand regardless

[Shaggy]

Cyber attack was noticed on sunday 31st aug, plugs pulled on all systems

Partial restoration of systems for main dealers to enable search for parts and soon some will get deliveries again

Its been a tough 10days, we're getting through it at my dealership and will be fine long term

Yes, jlr uk have had some data stolen

Those moaning about Jaguar rebrand, they're not the target market, never will be either, so maybe bore off and cry about something else because it was boring when you first did it and still is
Jaguar was in decline prior to rebrand but none of the whingers mention this interestingly

Amusingly someone traded in a Lambo Urus for a new range rover the other week at our place
Its still a prestige brand regardless

Their target market doesn’t have the finance to buy them. The people who do have the ability to buy them are appalled by the recent rebrand.

Like most of the people and ideology this comes from, it’s utter nonsense and the world is waking up to it finally.

[GetIntoEm]

I think people are deluded if they think some scruffy green haired swampy is going to start driving a jaguar because they've had drag queens on an advert.

[miele-man]

Well , I’ve had three porsche’s plenty of VW’s , Renault and a few others .
The latest defender is by far the best , most reliable of the lot .
I just go on my own experiences.

[Judehamish]

That’s because it hasn’t been made at Solihull.

They are awful money pits. I make my living delivering them, either 6 to 8 on a lorry.

Very unreliable.

[Judehamish]

Almost as many small car carriers bringing them back into gate 4 as large ones going out. Dreadful cars.

G wagen amazing though

[Boss Hogg]

Old Jags nice. New Jags not nice. Now going all electric. How to kill a great brand.

[Burnleyareback2]

Love the old Jags- really special cars

Equally had a ride in the google Waymo taxi last year, great experience. Still wonder why they picked Jaguar. Concept was great, car was fine.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Their target market doesn’t have the finance to buy them. The people who do have the ability to buy them are appalled by the recent rebrand.

Like most of the people and ideology this comes from, it’s utter nonsense and the world is waking up to it finally.

Thanks for proving my point.

You're not the target market, you don't have the money etc

Bore off

[gandhisflipflop]

Thanks for proving my point.

You're not the target market, you don't have the money etc

Bore off

Who is the target market?

[Boss Hogg]

Cyber attack was noticed on sunday 31st aug, plugs pulled on all systems

Partial restoration of systems for main dealers to enable search for parts and soon some will get deliveries again

Its been a tough 10days, we're getting through it at my dealership and will be fine long term

Yes, jlr uk have had some data stolen

Those moaning about Jaguar rebrand, they're not the target market, never will be either, so maybe bore off and cry about something else because it was boring when you first did it and still is
Jaguar was in decline prior to rebrand but none of the whingers mention this interestingly

Amusingly someone traded in a Lambo Urus for a new range rover the other week at our place
Its still a prestige brand regardless

What’s the target market out of interest ? I am currently looking for a new quality car and can buy it outright.

[AfloatinClaret]

Their breakdown rates are absolutely shocking but they sell because they ‘look nice’

And because Rang Rovers are allowed to park in disabled spaces, on double yellows or across people's driveways; plus of course having priority over all other vehicles on the road, irrespective of signage or even common sense.

[miele-man]

Stop it guys , pretty sure the Porsche Taycan is one of the most unreliable, my Porsche 718 GTS 4 had numerous electrical faults , still managed to sell at a good price .
I had an F Type for two years with absolutely no problems and lost big money on that .

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Who is the target market?

Not you if you're asking, without being offensive about it

They made the mistake of trying to play in the same market as the high volume, lower priced cars - VAG, BMW, Ford etc

It was never going to work with higher priced, low volume cars
Then they introduced SUVs in an over saturated market
They were known for good quality saloons and/or sports cars

Their saloons were very good, along with the F type

The F pace is just a range rover underneath and range rover is the premium brand in that sector
The iPace just needs to get in the bin

The new jags are for the High end market, but the younger generation with lots of money, who want something diff, that stands out, catches the eye, turns heads etc
There's a lot of new money rich young people who want something diff and Jaguar is still viewed as a premium name

The recent concept car does all of that

The haters have mostly never owned a jaguar, were never going to buy one but just need to jump on the hate band wagon because everyone else is, which is why they should generally be dismissed

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Old Jags nice. New Jags not nice. Now going all electric. How to kill a great brand.

It was a dying brand, sales falling for years
Most people don't seem to be aware because they don't fact check it first

It needed a revamp for a new market of newer, younger, very rich people

[BurnleyFC]

Not you if you're asking, without being offensive about it

They made the mistake of trying to play in the same market as the high volume, lower priced cars - VAG, BMW, Ford etc

It was never going to work with higher priced, low volume cars
Then they introduced SUVs in an over saturated market
They were known for good quality saloons and/or sports cars

Their saloons were very good, along with the F type

The F pace is just a range rover underneath and range rover is the premium brand in that sector
The iPace just needs to get in the bin

The new jags are for the High end market, but the younger generation with lots of money, who want something diff, that stands out, catches the eye, turns heads etc
There's a lot of new money rich young people who want something diff and Jaguar is still viewed as a premium name

The recent concept car does all of that

The haters have mostly never owned a jaguar, were never going to buy one but just need to jump on the hate band wagon because everyone else is, which is why they should generally be dismissed

If the production version looks like the concept car, let’s see if it sells first.

My own opinion is that alongside the Tesla Cybertruck it is one of the most hideous cars I’ve ever clapped eyes on.

[CaptJohn]

Their breakdown rates are absolutely shocking but they sell because they ‘look nice’

I disagree from a personal perspective. I had two Jag XFs one after the other both fitted with 3.0 litre V6s. The 2nd was the "S" model with a twin turbo. Both were only serviced by JLR dealerships and both never gave me any issues whatsoever. Lovely cars. Comfortable, fast with sublime handling. I went to buy another one but they don't make them anymore

[Shaggy]

Thanks for proving my point.

You're not the target market, you don't have the money etc

Bore off

You’ve made an assumption and incorrect one at that.

Do you even know what i drive? Iv owned several Jags before when they were actually a proper car. Wish I’d kept my old XKR100 now.

You’ve jumped straight into play the man and not the ball mantra again haven’t you, as you’ve no argument to make.

[GetIntoEm]

I think it's hit and miss, my wife's defender was in the garage for 3 weeks after only doing 500 miles from new. She likes it tho

[miele-man]

I applaud jags new look , they need to be in the £100,000 plus market , maybe just under Bentley . Sell less , build less , but more profit .
No point making main stream mundane stuff and losing cash , leave that to the twenty odd other brands .
Yeah it’s a risk but doing nothing and just carrying on is stupid .
I’ll look at them when they come out , if it’s good I’ll buy it .

[gandhisflipflop]

I disagree from a personal perspective. I had two Jag XFs one after the other both fitted with 3.0 litre V6s. The 2nd was the "S" model with a twin turbo. Both were only serviced by JLR dealerships and both never gave me any issues whatsoever. Lovely cars. Comfortable, fast with sublime handling. I went to buy another one but they don't make them anymore

My job lets me know what breaks down the most and by far and away it’s landrovers. The newer ones are better but the ones from 2016-21 are awful. Just google landrover DPF.

[Claret Till I Die]

My job lets me know what breaks down the most and by far and away it’s landrovers. The newer ones are better but the ones from 2016-21 are awful. Just google landrover DPF.

Bet my 23 plate blew everything else off the scale

[gandhisflipflop]

Not you if you're asking, without being offensive about it

They made the mistake of trying to play in the same market as the high volume, lower priced cars - VAG, BMW, Ford etc

It was never going to work with higher priced, low volume cars
Then they introduced SUVs in an over saturated market
They were known for good quality saloons and/or sports cars

Their saloons were very good, along with the F type

The F pace is just a range rover underneath and range rover is the premium brand in that sector
The iPace just needs to get in the bin

The new jags are for the High end market, but the younger generation with lots of money, who want something diff, that stands out, catches the eye, turns heads etc
There's a lot of new money rich young people who want something diff and Jaguar is still viewed as a premium name

The recent concept car does all of that

The haters have mostly never owned a jaguar, were never going to buy one but just need to jump on the hate band wagon because everyone else is, which is why they should generally be dismissed

I’m still none the wiser as to who the target market actually is.

[Rick_Muller]

Looks like the designer went to the same nursery school as the one who did the Turf Moor redesign

https://www.jaguar.co.uk/copy-nothing/j ... zKEALw_wcB