Rovers v Ipswich... What Should Happen?

[ElectroClaret]

EFL taking their time with this one.
Surprised there isn't a precedent for the circumstances, but apparently there isn't.
Rovers want either the points awarded to them or the final ten minutes played. (Abandoned on 80 mins.)

Tractor boys want the whole match replayed, something Jeff Stelling and Ally McCoist on Talksport agree with, saying it's "unfortunate" for Blackburn, but playing ten minutes would be absurd.
Not too bothered either way, but what will/should happen?

[dsr]

Surely what will happen is what has always happened before, except under exceptional circumstances - the match should be replayed.

If it had been Ipswich's responsibility to put the game on and it failed at their end, Blackburn might just have had a slight reason for complaint - but it was their own pitch that let them down.

[Falcon]

Either call it 1-0 final score or replay last 10 mins.

A full rematch seems unfair on Blackburn.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Either call it 1-0 final score or replay last 10 mins.

A full rematch seems unfair on Blackburn.

Fully agree.

Full Rematch

[Casper2]

Replay for full 90 minutes irrelevant that it was called off with 10mins to play , the pitch was unplayable way before it was called off.

[distortiondave]

Its got to be full match replay.

I could possibly maybe potentially see a justification for playing 45 minutes if a match was abandoned at half time, but you can't open a stadium, pay for police, have away fans, ipswich travel costs etc etc for 10 minutes of game time.
It's not like it's the knock out round of a World Cup where there's only three days to get the games done. This could be replayed in any one of 200+ days before the end of the season.

[ollieclarets8]

Either call it 1-0 final score or replay last 10 mins.

This. I'm not sure what the argument is to say replay the full match - other than it's Rovers!

[dsr]

This. I'm not sure what the argument is to say replay the full match - other than it's Rovers!

The argument is that that's what they have always done, it's not controversial, it's easy, it's fair to all concerned, and stopping a match half way through and restarting with different players at a later date is a bit of a nonsense.

[BigF]

Wasn't there a Burnley home game some years ago that was abandoned with us losing at the time, (0-1 I think)? I thought that game was fully replayed, and I think we won. Was it against Port Vale?

[The Shire Claret]

Forgetting who it is...

If is was Burnley vs Chelsea and we were 1 nil up with 10 minutes .... i'd be raging if we didn't get awarded the 3 points

Replay behind closed doors with 10 vs 11 or 3 points to them

A replay is madness for me

[wadeswondergoal]

What is Hutchy’s opinion?

[dsr]

Wasn't there a Burnley home game some years ago that was abandoned with us losing at the time, (0-1 I think)? I thought that game was fully replayed, and I think we won. Was it against Port Vale?

If I remember rightly, it was 1-2 when it was abandoned after 65 minutes or so and we won the rematch 4-3. Wasn't it the one where Tom cowan scored an overhead kick? That was abandoned for floodlight failure, caused by Norweb not by the club generator fortunately!

[welsbyswife]

It's unbelievable that there is no set procedure for this. It's not like it's something completely out of the ordinary. Playing the final 10 minutes seems like a non starter to me because it's not the same as finishing a game in the last 10. Both teams would be fresh and raring to go. So that's not a fair scenario. Plus all the points about opening the stadium, policing etc just for 10 minutes. The only sensible thing to do seems to be to play the whole match again.

[randomclaret2]

Replay the game, and a fine and points deduction for the Home club.

[dsr]

If it helps, Thornton Cleveleys v Colne was abandoned after 55 minutes on Saturday with Thornton 4-1 up. The full replay is a week today.

[ollieclarets8]

The argument is that that's what they have always done, it's not controversial, it's easy, it's fair to all concerned, and stopping a match half way through and restarting with different players at a later date is a bit of a nonsense.

I'm not convinced it is fair especially not to all concerned (Rovers).
1-0 up with 80 minutes played; I think the fairest option is to complete the remaining 10 minutes.

I read an article earlier which stated the game can be replayed partially (remaining time).

[Dyched]

Probably give Blackburn the 3 points and replay the game.

[daveisaclaret]

Common sense says play the last 10 mins 11 v 10. I think frankly if you took out how much money a point or three could be worth to Ipswich it would be the decent thing for them to just concede defeat.

[dsr]

I'm not convinced it is fair especially not to all concerned (Rovers).
1-0 up with 80 minutes played; I think the fairest option is to complete the remaining 10 minutes.

I read an article earlier which stated the game can be replayed partially (remaining time).

Has that ever happened?

I can remember 3 times when a game has been abandoned and the result allowed to stand - Burnley v Blackburn in the 1890's when we were 3-0 up and Blackburn refused to play the second half because they were too cold; Man U v Man C in 1974 when Man U fans invaded the pitch because they were losing; and the Bradford fire game when the result would have made no difference to promotion or relegation anyway. All exceptional circumstances. There are no exceptional circumstances with this one.

[Barlickclaret]

Full game to be replayed, what's to say rovers didn't get 2 sent off in last 10 mins and finish losing 1-2. Anything could have happened.

[TheFamilyCat]

I'd dock Rovers 25 points for making a ridiculous suggestion.

[ollieclarets8]

Has that ever happened?

I can remember 3 times when a game has been abandoned and the result allowed to stand - Burnley v Blackburn in the 1890's when we were 3-0 up and Blackburn refused to play the second half because they were too cold; Man U v Man C in 1974 when Man U fans invaded the pitch because they were losing; and the Bradford fire game when the result would have made no difference to promotion or relegation anyway. All exceptional circumstances. There are no exceptional circumstances with this one.

Second option for me would be then award the win. If the match is replayed, you can say that's just as unfair on Rovers as it is fair on Ipswich. But I've just realised I'm sticking up for Rovers, so forget what I just said

[NottsClaret]

You can't recreate those last 10-15 minutes now anyway. There'll be different players available through injury or suspension. Obviously the conditions will be very different. Blackburn won't be holding on after playing 80 minutes.

Either leave it at 1-0 - although Ipswich would have a strong case for wondering why they should be denied a full match due to Blackburn's lack of investment in their facilities - or replay it. Asking Ipswich to make that journey again for 10 minutes of football is a non-starter. There were loads of non-league games played to a conclusion on the same afternoon in the North West. Amateurs.

[clitheroeclaret3]

Definitely a replay
rovers responsibility to have a playable pitch.
Not the 1st time this has happened, would cost the venkys a fortune to put right

[ClaretTony]

Have we ever resumed a game in this manner in England?

If they did that and I were Ipswich I’d be demanding that it’s not done unless it is all the same players

[ollieclarets8]

Both teams would have a right to be unhappy, regardless.

[daveisaclaret]

If they go down the 10 minutes route they could just do it at Ipswich's training ground the day before/after the return fixture. That is a little unfair on Rovers but it really is their fault they couldn't finish the game.

[bobinho]

Fully agree.

Full Rematch

Agreed.

Or Blackburn to forfeit the points for this game, for allowing a bit of rain to disrupt the whole day, and then to be subsequently relegated to the north west counties league, for being so tin pot it beggars belief.

[fatboy47]

Forgetting who it is...

If is was Burnley vs Chelsea

It wasn't Chelsea.. they're in the Prem...it was a mediocre lower division team trying to play football in a swamp.

And there was almost certainly around 20 mins still to play.

These smaller clubs must be brought up to the mark and not allowed to drag the game back to days of the old Baseball Ground and similiar.

Full replay with substantial fine (and warning) to home team.

Home team to pay all travel/accomodation expenses incurred by visitors.

[Row x]

I'm not convinced it is fair especially not to all concerned (Rovers).
1-0 up with 80 minutes played; I think the fairest option is to complete the remaining 10 minutes.

I read an article earlier which stated the game can be replayed partially (remaining time).

When though....same players? What if some who played on Saturday aren't available for the 10 mins?

Full reply is only option, which i dont thinkbis in doubt.

[nil_desperandum]

How can anyone hold the view that the “result “ should stand?
There weren’t just 10 minutes to play there was 10 minutes + added time.
Derby scored twice in added time at Ewood to
Win 2-1, and Norwich also scored in added time in the last home game.
Obviously you can’t recreate the conditions to play around 15 minutes, so precedent says that you replay the fixture.
Maybe tough on Rovers, but Ipswich didn’t travel all the way up here to play on an inadequate pitch.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Ipswich should be awarded the result due to a tinpot club having an unfit pitch

[It Is What It Is]

Play full 90 mins replay.
B+++ds to pay for all Ipswich Towns expenses, including travel, accommodation meals etc ( venkys chicken meal deal).
Also to reimburse all tractor boys fans there travelling expenses and tickets .
B++++ds pitch is totally crap and not fit for purpose.crap drainage.
It rained all day at the Turf...not a puddle in sight.

[The Shire Claret]

It wasn't Chelsea.. they're in the Prem...it was a mediocre lower division team trying to play football in a swamp.

And there was almost certainly around 20 mins still to play.

These smaller clubs must be brought up to the mark and not allowed to drag the game back to days of the old Baseball Ground and similiar.

Full replay with substantial fine (and warning) to home team.

Home team to pay all travel/accomodation expenses incurred by visitors.

Okay you've pulled mi leg I agree

[clarets1978]

If I remember rightly, it was 1-2 when it was abandoned after 65 minutes or so and we won the rematch 4-3. Wasn't it the one where Tom cowan scored an overhead kick? That was abandoned for floodlight failure, caused by Norweb not by the club generator fortunately!

The game where Cowan scored his overhead kick was against Macclesfield in 1999 (the result was 4-3)
The abandoned game was against Port Vale on Boxing Day 1994
Always remember Ted McMinns diving celebration into the water in that game
The replayed game was indeed 4-3

[NewClaret]

I would like them to replay it again as many times necessary until Ipswich win.

[dsr]

The game where Cowan scored his overhead kick was against Macclesfield in 1999 (the result was 4-3)
The abandoned game was against Port Vale on Boxing Day 1994
Always remember Ted McMinns diving celebration into the water in that game
The replayed game was indeed 4-3

I'm remembering all the right things - but not, perhaps, in the right order!

[TheFamilyCat]

The game where Cowan scored his overhead kick was against Macclesfield in 1999 (the result was 4-3)
The abandoned game was against Port Vale on Boxing Day 1994
Always remember Ted McMinns diving celebration into the water in that game
The replayed game was indeed 4-3

I was locked out of The Longside that day so had to stand on the Bee Hole. It was horrible.

[Middle-agedClaret]

Some interesting comments on here.
I wonder what the prevailing view would be if it were BFC who had been leading at home - especially against one of the “bigger” clubs when the match was abandoned with 10 minutes to play.
In the absence of a binding precedent, which seems to be the case, I’m sure any outcome other than the match being completed with the score starting at 1 - 0 would lead to a maelstrom of cries of bias, favouritism, big clubs getting all the breaks, everyone hates us, PL and PGMOL want us relegated, ….repeat on loop.

IMHO, of course.
UTC.

[distortiondave]

Was the Great Flood of 2005(?) against Leicester called off at half time, or before?
I've never been wetter than I was that day.

[Bordeauxclaret]

If I remember rightly, it was 1-2 when it was abandoned after 65 minutes or so and we won the rematch 4-3. Wasn't it the one where Tom cowan scored an overhead kick? That was abandoned for floodlight failure, caused by Norweb not by the club generator fortunately!

What did Norweb have to do with a waterlogged pitch?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Was the Great Flood of 2005(?) against Leicester called off at half time, or before?
I've never been wetter than I was that day.

After about 20 mins. It didn’t help the New Years Day hangover that is for sure.

[distortiondave]

Some interesting comments on here.
I wonder what the prevailing view would be if it were BFC who had been leading at home - especially against one of the “bigger” clubs when the match was abandoned with 10 minutes to play.
In the absence of a binding precedent, which seems to be the case, I’m sure any outcome other than the match being completed with the score starting at 1 - 0 would lead to a maelstrom of cries of bias, favouritism, big clubs getting all the breaks, everyone hates us, PL and PGMOL want us relegated, ….repeat on loop.

IMHO, of course.
UTC.

There is precedent though, even if it isn't binding.
If you try and game the system, you fail - Sheff Utd vs WBA, Middlesbrough trying to get the game called off against Rovers in the 90's, DSR's examples above.
If the weather forces abandonment, the precedent is a replay.

[Andreshotboots]

Some interesting comments on here.
I wonder what the prevailing view would be if it were BFC who had been leading at home - especially against one of the “bigger” clubs when the match was abandoned with 10 minutes to play.
In the absence of a binding precedent, which seems to be the case, I’m sure any outcome other than the match being completed with the score starting at 1 - 0 would lead to a maelstrom of cries of bias, favouritism, big clubs getting all the breaks, everyone hates us, PL and PGMOL want us relegated, ….repeat on loop.

IMHO, of course.
UTC.

To me though the big problem is Blackburn were aware of this issue. They had previously relocated the drainage pipes further upstream to try and prevent the water backing up and stopping the pitch from draining.

That surely has to be taken into consideration. This wasn't a one off storm, a freak of nature that caused several other local games to go, this was an isolated issue for Blackburn caused by an issue that they were already aware of.

[dsr]

What did Norweb have to do with a waterlogged pitch?

We had another home abandoned match in vaguely that era, caused by floodlight failure. Might have been a cup tie. (NOT the Scarborough cup tie abandoned after the full time whistle (frozen pitch) but replayed at Turf Moor because they hadn't been able to play extra time.)

[Pickles]

Relegate Rovers.

[dsr]

Was the Great Flood of 2005(?) against Leicester called off at half time, or before?
I've never been wetter than I was that day.

Unless your bathing habits are worse than the first Queen Elizabeth's, you surely mean you have never been wetter while fully dressed.

A Blackburn supporting friend claims to have been pretty wet on his way home from last Saturday's match. He said most of the roads were under water ankle deep.

[Procrastinate B]

The replayed game for us was in the FA Cup, the winner would play Liverpool. Would have been 1996, I think, with us playing Liverpool in Jan 1997.

[Robbie_painter]

We had another home abandoned match in vaguely that era, caused by floodlight failure. Might have been a cup tie. (NOT the Scarborough cup tie abandoned after the full time whistle (frozen pitch) but replayed at Turf Moor because they hadn't been able to play extra time.)

Fairly sure that was against Walsall in the cup (not sure which cup)

[aclaretinstevenage]

Replay the whole game is the only sensible solution.

Ipswich didn't lose and could have scored one or more on the remaining ten minutes, the abandonment was not the fault of Ipswich or their fans. Probably not Rovers fault either although other clubs in the region all managed to get their games completed.