Ryder Cup week.

[Cheshireclaret]

That's an interesting sentence, could you elaborate?

Yep. The Europeans have been the more dominant team over the last 20-25 years and players like Tiger have shown that it doesn't suit their mentaility on the golf course - arguably Scheffler is doing the same this time. Unquestionably a man you would put your house on in a normal, singles tournament, but a team game? Perhaps not.

The Americans are now being paid. Yes, they have been for some time but now indirectly, they are being paid monies they can do what they wish with. That is no coincidence. Once upon a time The Ryder Cup was GB&I -v- USA. It became too on-sided so it adapted.

it stands to reason if a hammering on US soil comes this year with Scheffler in particular being a bit-part player, it is at risk of becoming something the American public no longer care for. I assume you are a resident of Canada, so you may very well have a different view or perspective but it does rather seem that it could be on borrowed time.

[Cheshireclaret]

PS - JJ Spaun has shown class, integrity and fight in his rookie performance with that victory, so I hope for the sake of players like him I am still watching The Ryder Cup in years to come.

[MrTopTier]

Two ridiculous shots into the last by Hatton and Fitzpatrick

[Buxtonclaret]

Winning this last one would cap a ridiculously good day.

[Vegas Claret]

That's an interesting sentence, could you elaborate?

I'm waiting for an Executive order proclaiming the USA won

[CoolClaret]

https://datagolf.com/ryder-cup/strokes-gained

Justin Rose is +4.56 strokes gained on the day for putting and +5.84 sg overall... the next highest player on putting (Lowry) is +1.01 on putting, overall (JJ Spaun) is +1.96.

Rosie has just put on one of the all-time best performances in any sport, ever, at 45.

If that doesn't inspire, I don't know what will. Legend.

[Buxtonclaret]

Brilliant stuff!!

[Buxtonclaret]

I'm waiting for an Executive order proclaiming the USA won

[Cheshireclaret]

https://datagolf.com/ryder-cup/strokes-gained

Justin Rose is +4.56 strokes gained on the day for putting and +5.84 sg overall... the next highest player on putting (Lowry) is +1.01 on putting, overall (JJ Spaun) is +1.96.

Rosie has just put on one of the all-time best performances in any sport, ever, at 45.

If that doesn't inspire, I don't know what will. Legend.

Having benn told he was 'Grandpa' by some witty American on the 15th or 16th hole. The guy is a legend, I met his caddie (Fooch) several years ago, he's a good friend of a relative, and without question Justin is in this game for the sport, competition and trophies - NOT the money. It shows.

[exilecanada]

Yep. The Europeans have been the more dominant team over the last 20-25 years and players like Tiger have shown that it doesn't suit their mentaility on the golf course - arguably Scheffler is doing the same this time. Unquestionably a man you would put your house on in a normal, singles tournament, but a team game? Perhaps not.

The Americans are now being paid. Yes, they have been for some time but now indirectly, they are being paid monies they can do what they wish with. That is no coincidence. Once upon a time The Ryder Cup was GB&I -v- USA. It became too on-sided so it adapted.

it stands to reason if a hammering on US soil comes this year with Scheffler in particular being a bit-part player, it is at risk of becoming something the American public no longer care for. I assume you are a resident of Canada, so you may very well have a different view or perspective but it does rather seem that it could be on borrowed time.

Thanks, I'll get back to you on that. I'm going for a nap, exhausted after watching a brilliant day of golf. Ole, Ole Ole Ole

[CoolClaret]

Yep. The Europeans have been the more dominant team over the last 20-25 years and players like Tiger have shown that it doesn't suit their mentaility on the golf course - arguably Scheffler is doing the same this time. Unquestionably a man you would put your house on in a normal, singles tournament, but a team game? Perhaps not.

The Americans are now being paid. Yes, they have been for some time but now indirectly, they are being paid monies they can do what they wish with. That is no coincidence. Once upon a time The Ryder Cup was GB&I -v- USA. It became too on-sided so it adapted.

it stands to reason if a hammering on US soil comes this year with Scheffler in particular being a bit-part player, it is at risk of becoming something the American public no longer care for. I assume you are a resident of Canada, so you may very well have a different view or perspective but it does rather seem that it could be on borrowed time.

TBF to Scheffler, I think his foursome's pairing (Henley) ruined him. He was having to hit approaches 20-30 yards further in than everyone else, stats wised he still performed quite well (although of course, they don't always tell the whole picture).

[Vegas Claret]

https://x.com/RyderCupEurope/status/1972074430202630627

[Cheshireclaret]

TBF to Scheffler, I think his foursome's pairing (Henley) ruined him. He was having to hit approaches 20-30 yards further in than everyone else, stats wised he still performed quite well (although of course, they don't always tell the whole picture).

Absolutely, there are quirks to the whole competition - including in Foursomes when players who use different balls play together and the nuances that brings. I don't disagree that Henley looked like a rabbit in the headlights - a 36 year old Rookie must have almost certainly felt the pressure but still, Scheffler has been nowhere near what we know he can do.

[exilecanada]

I'm waiting for an Executive order proclaiming the USA won

It would not surprise me if the 'lunatic orange dictator' tried to do that!

[Inchy]

On world rankings the Americans should be favourites, so no need for them to recruit other countries. We are only favourite in 3 singles matches today (I assume based on world rankings).


They just haven’t been a good team and it looks like they are without a leader.

DeShambles acts like a leader but loses consistently at the rider cup and just clowns around. It’s alright have a clown like DeShambles, Poulter was often the clown, but he was also a winner and surrounded by leaders.

It would seem Americans are very poor at picking their leaders, both on and off the course

[Big Vinny K]

On world rankings the Americans should be favourites, so no need for them to recruit other countries. We are only favourite in 3 singles matches today (I assume based on world rankings).


They just haven’t been a good team and it looks like they are without a leader.

DeShambles acts like a leader but loses consistently at the rider cup and just clowns around. It’s alright have a clown like DeShambles, Poulter was often the clown, but he was also a winner and surrounded by leaders.

It would seem Americans are very poor at picking their leaders, both on and off the course

They were favourites before it started - 4/6 on compared to nearly 2/1 against for Europe.

I said I thought those odds were wrong as Europe players were coming into this in better form and the European team is stacked with experience in Ryder Cup (and much better team spirit, better captain etc)

World rankings are developed over a long period. Henley is 3 in the world for example but half of the European team at least were coming into this in much better form than him.

All that said if you look at the stats USA have not played badly at all - it’s just that Europe have been even better.

Btw the crowds have been the worst I have ever seen. A lot of the worst abuse is on video and I it would be pretty easy to have taken a tough stance on Friday and made an example of a few of the idiots by throwing them out of the course. Cheering or booing beforehand is fine - even when somebody misses a putt or goes in a bunker again fine (Europeans do this too). Shouting abuse on a back swing or putt is not. Throw them out or award the hole to the other side…..do something or else this is going to get a ton worse in the next few years.

[jrgbfc]

The whole thing has just got too overhyped for me, which results in what happened with the crowd yesterday.
Do we really need that ridiculous opening ceremony for a 3 day golf tournament?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Yesterday was probably my favourite day of golf TV viewing in decades, with rivals being Rory’s Masters win and Seve’s wins.

The atmosphere was disgusting and classless but it added to the sweetness of the (imminent) victory. To jeer Rory about his rumoured marital issues while his wife was within the ropes was obviously affecting him, that was probably the worst thing I heard. But there were others.

The way our boys stood up to it and gave it back, often to 3 feet, was unbelievable.

Bryson DeShambles and Patrick Can’tPay/Won’tPlay were two to put up some resistance but have much less heart than our guys. Scheffler looked embarrassed by the whole thing - noticeable at the end he was milling around the Europeans for ages.

This is probably the nadir for an American sports performance - we can go on about stats but that course was laying down for them. It was a birdie fest. In truth that made it more captivating than deep rough would.

Final observation - all yesterday will do is put fire in European bellys, so I cannot see them easing off. They will go for the record, and Rory will be desperate to make it 0-5 for Scheffler (won’t, I suspect, due to emotional burn out). Sofa booked and ready this evening.

[jrgbfc]

Yesterday was probably my favourite day of golf TV viewing in decades, with rivals being Rory’s Masters win and Seve’s wins.

The atmosphere was disgusting and classless but it added to the sweetness of the (imminent) victory. To jeer Rory about his rumoured marital issues while his wife was within the ropes was obviously affecting him, that was probably the worst thing I heard. But there were others.

The way our boys stood up to it and gave it back, often to 3 feet, was unbelievable.

Bryson DeShambles and Patrick Can’tPay/Won’tPlay were two to put up some resistance but have much less heart than our guys. Scheffler looked embarrassed by the whole thing - noticeable at the end he was milling around the Europeans for ages.

This is probably the nadir for an American sports performance - we can go on about stats but that course was laying down for them. It was a birdie fest. In truth that made it more captivating than deep rough would.

Final observation - all yesterday will do is put fire in European bellys, so I cannot see them easing off. They will go for the record, and Rory will be desperate to make it 0-5 for Scheffler (won’t, I suspect, due to emotional burn out). Sofa booked and ready this evening.

Some of our lads will be pretty drained after yesterday. Rory, Fleetwood and Rahm in particular have played all 4 sessions. I wouldn't be surprised if the Americans win a few today and keep it respectable.
I backed Fleetwood to be our top scorer so hoping he can sneak half a point at least!

[taio]

Its been a brilliant spectacle, helped by the yanks' behaviour. The standard of golf has been unbelievable.

[MrTopTier]

The whole thing has just got too overhyped for me, which results in what happened with the crowd yesterday.
Do we really need that ridiculous opening ceremony for a 3 day golf tournament?

Overhyped in America ha ha course it is. Isn’t everything?

Thats why they invented sports that only they can be world champions at.

Beating these in their own backyard is on a par with winning the Ashes in Australia.

It’s a joy to watch.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Only just noticed in the stats that CoolClaret linked above that Scheffler has been in the top 6 players for strokes gained in the last 3 sessions. Interesting.

That stat measure, which is good because it has an average for the field of zero so ignores the easiness of the course, does have one iffy component which is it doesn’t measure in matchplay that some shots are more important than others. I suspect that is where Scheffler lost his matches.

[Elizabeth]

More and more I'm not watching sporting live action until the final stages eg Wimbledon and golfing majors. However the Ryder Cup is special because of the history of the tournament. Anyone waiting until today's final round of singles to watch have missed so much drama and the brilliance of the European performance. The USA team have played well and If today goes as expected it will not be a case of the USA losing it but of the Europeans winning it.
The highlight so far for me is McIlroy telling the hecklers to shut the f**k up. Great tv, watch it if you haven't already.

[ashtonlongsider]

I can't profess to be an avid golf fan but I have and always do enjoy the Ryder Cup. Take away with some of the personal abuse and I think the atmosphere adds to the occasion. In all honesty it should motivate USA, but in this event its had the opposite affect.

[jrgbfc]

Only just noticed in the stats that CoolClaret linked above that Scheffler has been in the top 6 players for strokes gained in the last 3 sessions. Interesting.

That stat measure, which is good because it has an average for the field of zero so ignores the easiness of the course, does have one iffy component which is it doesn’t measure in matchplay that some shots are more important than others. I suspect that is where Scheffler lost his matches.

Think i read somewhere that Scheffler and Bryson were 10 under yesterday afternoon. So they played pretty well, just that Rose and Fleetwood were unbelievable.

[CoolClaret]

Only just noticed in the stats that CoolClaret linked above that Scheffler has been in the top 6 players for strokes gained in the last 3 sessions. Interesting.

That stat measure, which is good because it has an average for the field of zero so ignores the easiness of the course, does have one iffy component which is it doesn’t measure in matchplay that some shots are more important than others. I suspect that is where Scheffler lost his matches.

As jrbfc said, he and Bryson actually played well yesterday but came up against one of the all-time great Ryder Cup performances... But for the foursomes, Henley was handicapping him.

He was having to hit 4-7 irons into greens when others were hitting 6-PWs.

[CaptJohn]

I'm waiting for an Executive order proclaiming the USA won

You can bet that the "Donald" would have been there to present the trophy if the USA had won. He won't be anywhere near if Europe wins for sure.

[jrgbfc]

I fancy Scheffler to turn up and beat Rory today. He looked absolutely knackered last night.

[She]

Quick question what time does the actual golf start,not all the waffling by the likes of that bellend Faldo,the actual first tee off thanks in advance

[Inchy]

It’s the shouting on the back swing that’s the issue, that what puts people off.

I wouldn’t be surprised if players start wearing headphones and listening to music in the future

[CoolClaret]

Quick question what time does the actual golf start,not all the waffling by the likes of that bellend Faldo,the actual first tee off thanks in advance

17:02 our time!

[She]

17:02 our time!

Cheers CC

[summitclaret]

I'm waiting for an Executive order proclaiming the USA won
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And/or the national guard arresting the European lads at 17 00 Eastern Time today and deporting them for terrorism.

[aclaretinstevenage]

The whole thing has just got too overhyped for me, which results in what happened with the crowd yesterday.
Do we really need that ridiculous opening ceremony for a 3 day golf tournament?

Exactly right. Sky hype it up for weeks here so goodness knows what the yanks do.

Make it every 4 years like the world cup before the saturation destroys the thing in the same way most sporting events, Cricket never seems to stop now. Rugby year round, some or other boxing world title bout every weekend. I'm a huge sports fan but I just can't be bothered with so much of it now.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Already 0.5 points today for Europe courtesy of Hovland getting it in the neck, so to speak.

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Looking forward to this. Been a great watch so far.

[Taffy on the wing]

Come on Europe ......shut these big mouths up!..... Obnoxious fans.

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Already 0.5 points today for Europe courtesy of Hovland getting it in the neck, so to speak.

Improves the advantage, but I’d still rather see it played. Can’t be helped though.

[Spijed]

Today shouldn't be just about winning. It should also be trying to ram the win own the throats of the Americans.

[MrTopTier]

Very good start from Europe.

[Taffy on the wing]

The coverage here is awful.......waaay more commercials than golf.

[Lord_Bob]

Agree Taffy it's bloody awful. I am trying to find a way to get the Sky coverage. Commentators on there are probably better as well.

[MrTopTier]

DeShambles getting slammed by Fitzpatrick.
Things you like to see.

[Inchy]

DeShambles 4 down after 5

[CrosspoolClarets]

Sky noticeably are not showing many adverts. A few, but brief. Just got to stomach the annoying Andrex poo advert 10 times, plus the Gillette and Rolex ones. As soon as proper 401 UHD starts at 7pm instead of the red button I’ll watch delayed and fast forward ads.

[exilecanada]

The coverage here is awful.......waaay more commercials than golf.

Same here, I'm watching a Canadian channel but it's an NBC feed from US

[Taffy on the wing]

Given the chance i'd gladly strangle whoever is in charge of NBC sports!....Ruination of a great event.

[Buxtonclaret]

Given the chance i'd gladly strangle whoever is in charge of NBC sports!....Ruination of a great event.

Put it on a stream?
http://www.fawanews.sc/Golf-Ryder-Cup-final.html

[MrTopTier]

Squeaky bum time now.
All close games

[exilecanada]

Too much red on that leaderboard for my liking