Ben Mee

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:13 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:He is such a liability! Get him out of the team ASAP.

Can't get over how many points he has cost us this season.

The only thing Mee did wrong is that he never took that cheating phuckas head off with that challenge.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:19 pm

Even if we brought in Tarkowski the next complaint would be our lack of a utility player.
Ben Mee did nothing wrong, it was offside and a combination of him being high and the player ducking his head anyway.

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:27 pm

Ben Mee has been excellent for us since he moved to CB. Tarkowski looks a brilliant player, but rightly has and will have to wait his turn until we sell Keane.

claretdennis · Post by **claretdennis** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:40 pm

"drop Ben for tarks" £uck off will you,so you really think that tarks would have been as effective as Ben has this season so far? Perfection doesn't exist!!!!

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:47 pm

He was good again today. If he hadn't gone for it he would have been criticise.

FFS !!

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:50 pm

I don't think Mee was at fault today. I also think he is our most improved player over the past 3 seasons.

Having said that I think it wouldn't do any harm to give Tarks a start away from home

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:51 pm

Our defence has tightened up considerably away from home. There's no need to change things at the back.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:56 pm

a few notes about the perceived foul, foregoing the fact it was massively offside:

1. Ben was looking at the ball for the entire time it was in the air, he didn't even know he was being challenged (but obviously assumed it)
2. Mustafi was offside when the ball was played, so he had an advantage over Ben, he still managed to over-run the cross, therefore he had to stoop backwards and down to meet the ball with his head. If he'd read it properly he would've been at the back post with a bullet header and Ben would've been nowhere near him.
3. Mustafi was not going to score if Mee didn't throw his foot up there, it was going to skim his head and go wide.
4. Mee's contact with Mustafi was marginal, he didn't "kick him in the head" at all, his foot skimmed his cheek at best, then the cheating get went down like his head was kicked off.

Absolutely nothing Ben Mee did wrong in that, if he didn't go for the ball people would be moaning that he let him drift in at the back post untouched. The seperation he got was because he was offside.

We move on, but it's pretty galling to have it happen yet again.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:01 pm

Mees foot was 5ft of the ground and made contact with a players face. Quite simply a penalty.
Why didn't he just try and head it? He tried to extend his leg rather an put his body towards it

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:01 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:He is such a liability! Get him out of the team ASAP.

Can't get over how many points he has cost us this season.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:03 pm

Vegasclaret. Take the specs off. What have I said that is stupid.
Mee is a liability it is a fact. He is also directly responsible for a lot of points we have lost.

Pretty reasonable points I have made. Just certain fans can't take there favourite players having anything bad said about them

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:07 pm

You fail to mention the points he has contributed towards. You are a helmet of the highest order.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:07 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Mees foot was 5ft of the ground and made contact with a players face. Quite simply a penalty.
Why didn't he just try and head it? He tried to extend his leg rather an put his body towards it

He couldn't head it because Koscielny was a yard ahead of him - because he was a yard offside.

Now you tell me why Koscielny was stooping down over 1ft to head a ball?

The video is linked below at 11:40 in you can see the incident including a slow mo which shows Mee's studs glance off his face - at that speed yeah t might hurt but his head shouldn't have been anywhere near it anyway.

No idea why the clip is backwards - must have been an Ozzy who uploaded it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC__ifjNuVQ

claretdennis · Post by **claretdennis** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:08 pm

Explain what mee has done this season to be "a liability" please.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:09 pm

I don't wear glasses, I don't need to my eyes are spot on so say the opticians

As to your points, yes he's made the odd mistake, he didn't make any really today. You cannot seriously blame him for a linesman not doing his job.
Just because you say "Mee is a liability it is a fact" doesn't make it so. I assume you'll be wanting Dyche sacked as he keeps picking him ? Is he a liability too because he continues to pick him ?

I really don't wish to sound harsh but your bashing of Mee is a tad unrealistic. I'd rather have Ben Mee than any of the Man City CB's that's for sure !

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:12 pm

Defenders make mistakes just like strikers miss chances. Both can be equally costly. Mee is comfortably in credit for me this season.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:14 pm

IMO Mee ends up stretching with his foot up simply BECAUSE the man behind him starts in a (very slightly) offside position so has crucially stolen a foot or so on him. If they'd started level they would have both been reaching the ball at the same time and Mee would have been able to go with his head. To me it's not his fault, but the liner isn't sharp enough to spot the guy nipping back from offside. AND, where's the thread saying Heaton should be dropped (probably for Trakowski!!) because he makes a right **** up of the initial shot by not holding onto it when it's actually going wide!! He's more culpable here than Mee tbh.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:14 pm

No it is Dyches decision to start Ben Mee. I have said he is a liability but would be a good reserve. I have also said I would prefer tarks to start ahead of him.

I have said he is a liability because of the stupid mistakes he makes. The kind of mistakes that other poster have noted Keane doesn't make.

Such as his "slip" against city, his foul for hulls goal, an again his lack of pace and height today which meant he headed the ball straight into Ozils path.

It's not a bashing of Mee. It is just my opinion that he is not the second best CB we have.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:16 pm

So are we saying Keane doesn't make mistakes, or people don't pick up on them?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:17 pm

Keane makes mistakes like the occasional poor pass. The point is they are less frequent and rarely result in a goal

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:18 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:He couldn't head it because Koscielny was a yard ahead of him - because he was a yard offside.

That's the bit I have a problem with.

He was in an offside position because we pushed up as the free kick was being taken (as we always do).

I can't understand why we just didn't defend the free kick, it's getting very near to the final whistle and we know linesmen don't get everything right.

It's 1-1, it's late, just f'kin mark your men up.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:22 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Keane makes mistakes like the occasional poor pass. The point is they are less frequent and rarely result in a goal

So a poor pass can then invite pressure from the opposition, which can result in a goal if we aren't careful.

If you've got an issue with a specific player then that's fine, but to lash out and call him a liability when in the same game he also made a brilliant tackle in the box is just odd.

He makes mistakes, every single player does, even £50million defenders like Stones.
I'd be willing to bet though that most people on here wouldn't trade Mee for Stones this season.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:22 pm

BOT mate, I think you'll find it was a short corner. (Just saying)

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:23 pm

Tarks in for Mee ASAP.

claretdennis · Post by **claretdennis** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:35 pm

id love to see opta stats on this.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:35 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:BOT mate, I think you'll find it was a short corner. (Just saying)

Friggin hell! I've just been called out by Rileybobs on another thread for being wrong.

What the hell have I been watching?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:37 pm

Another G&T BOT? (or had enough?)

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:44 pm

Only when the bottle is empty have I had enough Dark Cloud.

To be fair to me I was being distracted in the last half an hour of the match, due to a load of crumb snatchers (family members, I'm not Michael Jackson) running around my house.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:58 pm

Tarks is MOM in midweek playing at centre back with some describing his play as imperious. I think you'd struggle to find any criticisms of Tarks performances when he has got on the pitch this season.

Mee has dropped a few clangers this season and cost us points (not including today).

We should definitely be slating anyone who has the temerity to suggest that giving Tarks more game time and Mee a rest, would possibly be a good thing...

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:04 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
We should definitely be slating anyone who has the temerity to suggest that giving Tarks more game time and Mee a rest, would possibly be a good thing...

Yes then we could slate the posters giving Tarky a hard time when he drops a few clangers, or perceived clangers.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:07 pm

'When' or 'if'?

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:09 pm

Tarkowski played against a Sunderland side low on confidence and I can honestly say they are the poorest side i have seen at this level.

Ben Mee plays in every game, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, United (we drew by the way) away. Hardly like for like comparison.

I was purring over Tarks v Sunderland as well by the way.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:13 pm

"Liability"

I've heard it all now!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:15 pm

Darthlaw wrote:'When' or 'if'?

Hopefully 'never', but they all make mistakes, even our darling Michael Keane.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:21 pm

I'm not suggesting that Ben Mee deserves to be dropped but I do wonder what Tarks could bring considering all we've seen from him this season, in addition to the performance against Sunderland.

The nature of some on this thread to vociferously defend Mee without being willing to accept that Tarks possibly may be an upgrade, amuses me.

It's almost deja vu as to when some suggested dropping Duff so we could get Ward into the team. As I recall, that didn't end too badly.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:24 pm

ksrclaret wrote:"Mistake aside Ben Mee was excellent"

If I had a quid for every time I've seen that this season...

Then You'd have about three quid.

Wake up to ur self.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:28 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:No it is Dyches decision to start Ben Mee. I have said he is a liability but would be a good reserve. I have also said I would prefer tarks to start ahead of him.

I have said he is a liability because of the stupid mistakes he makes. The kind of mistakes that other poster have noted Keane doesn't make.

Such as his "slip" against city, his foul for hulls goal, an again his lack of pace and height today which meant he headed the ball straight into Ozils path.

It's not a bashing of Mee. It is just my opinion that he is not the second best CB we have.

Dick

claretdennis · Post by **claretdennis** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 pm

who else shall we drop then while we're at it? Most of the team have given possession away or cocked up at some point this season. We're doing a cracking job and all some people can say is "he's a liability" etc!! You people make my balls ache.

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:18 pm

Leave our Ben alone, if he was a world beater he would have stayed at Man City.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:26 pm

I am afraid Ben is a warrior-what he lacks in pace and close skills he makes up with his lion heart approach

It will take an injury or suspension for SD to drop him. I suspect he has some of the same s attributes of SD when he played

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:No it is Dyches decision to start Ben Mee. I have said he is a liability ... It's not a bashing of Mee.

Yes it is. Do you speak English?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:19 pm

Hardly supporters, if they get on a team member's back as soon as we lose a match.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:56 pm

We can and should play Mee and Tarks. Drop Mee and a few clubs will be circling.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:19 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We can and should play Mee and Tarks. Drop Mee and a few clubs will be circling.

Harvesting time again?

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Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:24 pm

ksrclaret wrote:"Mistake aside Ben Mee was excellent"

If I had a quid for every time I've seen that this season...

I guess you'd have enough to buy a pint at half time....

Ben Mee was beaten by Arsenal forwards once in the first half and he was last man trying to clear the cross in the closing seconds of the game. Boot in face, even if the attacker was stooping and even though he came in from Mee's blind side is always going to be given.

Our defence is as solid as it can be with Keane and Mee. It's great to have Tarks to come on - but it wouldn't be as competitive a team without Mee.

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Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:26 pm

bobinho wrote:Then You'd have about three quid.

Wake up to ur self.

I should have read all the thread before I posted.

One pint = three quid.

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WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:21 am

If Ben Mee never made any mistakes he wouldn't be playing for us!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:38 am

It's similar to the calls for Ward at left back, which despite plenty of protests, proved to be the correct decision. Would Tarkowski be better and the team more solid, it remains to be seen, but the idea certainly shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:49 am

All happened really quickly, but the fact that the player was offside meant he had a head start on Mee, so Mee was always going to be stretching, and was leaning back as the player dropped his head down. The foot wasn't as high as it looked because of this.

How many times are we to be robbed late on against Arsenal though?

2016/17 Away: Offside
2016/17 Home: Offside/Handball
2009/10 Home: Fletcher offside winner when clearly onside around the 87th minute

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:14 pm

No blip. Went for the ball as he should have. The Arsenal player did get ahead of him but only by starting in an offside position.

Anyone who thinks Mee should not be the 3rd name on the team sheet (after Keane and Heaton) is an absolute moron.