Shots fired outside Westminster

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:37 pm

claretandy wrote:Thats him, stormed a public meeting of the then home secretery John Reid.

Channel 4 think he may still be in prison.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:39 pm

- apparently the dead terrorist is not as named..that bloke is in prison.

This must be someone else...[Ch. 4]

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:42 pm

Abu blokes in jail apparently.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:43 pm

Mentally ill my @rse,he was a preacher of hate.. Good riddance to him.. May Allah give no mercy on his soul..Murdering scumbag..

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:48 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Mentally ill my @rse,he was a preacher of hate.. Good riddance to him.. May Allah give no mercy on his soul..Murdering scumbag..

Martin McGuinnines thread was yesterday..

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:49 pm

He was mentally Ill.
So we're the other 37 mentally Ill lone wolves that have carried out this sort of attack across Europe since 2014.
I wish people wouldn't make it out to be something bigger than it is

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:52 pm

Only using Brexit context to back up my post Damo!

I think the Daily Mail is full of **** Blackrod, apologies if I use it as example of what is wrong with the right wing tabloid media all the time!

Anyway, Keano is on!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:06 pm

It may still turn out to be him but surely they should be 100% sure before they start to report it.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:12 pm

Wouldn't surprise me if it is him and he's done it whilst on day release from Prison, it would make a mockery of the judicial system to add salt to the wounds.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:18 pm

Seems he is still in prison, the lefties favorite channel four news is fake news !

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:18 pm

morpheus2 wrote:Yeah, gallows humour but maybe not totally without grounds, because so far he fits our currently approved profile of 'mentally ill' - beard, dark skinned, ploughing a car into pedestrians, wielding a blade, probably screaming "Allah is greater" in Arabic....it may transpire that his parents and friends will say that he had not been a good Muslim - he drank, had casual sex but then he became more devout recently, started going to mosque and reading the Qur'an more regularly, became really pious in the last few weeks...became mentally ill.

It may be that he discovered, as it appears that many of the ones who suffer from this particular mental illness also discover, that redemption for those who have been 'bad' Muslims and entry into paradise and access to the virgins is only specifically guaranteed to "those who kill and are killed in the way of Allah" - murder by martyrdom, everybody else has to wait for judgement day to find their fate which is in no way certain, no matter how devout they think they have been, martyrs who murder on the other hand are straight in there.

It is a special particular kind of mental illness, it must have a name by now.....as well as the few closer to home there have been hundreds of similar cases of vehicular attacks by knife wielding Arabic screaming mentally ill bearded mosque going people in Israel in the past few years since the last infitada. It's one of the prefered MOs in this new wave of attacks by the mentally ill these days.

So yes, possibly mentally ill.

I think you're imagining things. I've yet to witness people in the UK calling terrorists 'mentally ill' en masse. In the US there's a trend in the right-wing media to call white mass murderers mentally ill by default while black and Middle Eastern killers default to terrorists, especially if they're Muslims, but that's not a phenomenon that has made it to the UK yet, and even if it did it's one that would have to swap wings.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:20 pm

claretandy wrote:Seems he is still in prison, the lefties favorite channel four news is fake news !

Getting something wrong isn't "fake news", it's just poor journalism.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:29 pm

Channel 4 was pushing plenty of "fake news" in their reporting of Aleppo prior to it's liberation.
I used to like John Snow, pity he sold his soul.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's America. In the UK we're pretty good at calling a terrorist a terrorist regardless of race or religion.

And then you get the BBC

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:40 pm

It will be interesting to hear Corbyn's slant on this in parliament especially after his unequivocal support for Martin McGuinnness yesterday.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:44 pm

Corbyn full of praise for protecting the public and parliament against terrorism, shame he didn't think that for the past 45 years !

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:47 pm

It's rather tragic how many people on this forum alone are using this event as a vehicle to peddle their political agenda. I'm glad I don't have to mix with such people in the 'real world'.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:50 pm

Tommy "I'm not a racist but" Robinson and Arron Banks have excelled themselves today on twitter in the "I could give it five minutes but no, I'm going to go for it" stakes.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think you're imagining things. I've yet to witness people in the UK calling terrorists 'mentally ill' en masse. In the US there's a trend in the right-wing media to call white mass murderers mentally ill by default while black and Middle Eastern killers default to terrorists, especially if they're Muslims, but that's not a phenomenon that has made it to the UK yet, and even if it did it's one that would have to swap wings.

Sorry old bean, I'm sure I keep reading after virtually every jihadi attack in the West that the perpetrator (if it's a 'lone wolf') has mental health issues, I recall seeing this about the 'Norwegian' gentleman in Russell Sq who was triggered by mental health issues, the Nice driver, the Orlando mentally unstable and mentally ill repressed homosexual, the guy who carried out a hostage attack in Sydney a couple of years ago had a narcissistic personality disorder, the Chattanooga killer who they said suffered from bipolar disorder and depression....I can't help it, I don't think I'm imagining it I just keep seeing it and I'm sure I'd seen a The Independent piece on a scientific study which had deduced that most Islamic terror attacks were the result of mental illness....you're the King of Google, you can find it I'm sure

I don't know much about political wings so I'm not sure if these are from the wrong wing, apologies.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... h-problems
http://theconversation.com/from-act-of- ... cost-63060

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:11 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It's rather tragic how many people on this forum alone are using this event as a vehicle to peddle their political agenda. I'm glad I don't have to mix with such people in the 'real world'.

This 'event', as you call it, is politically motivated, is it not? The Islamic State attacks the West for supporting the State of Israel and we all know what a certain individual thinks of that.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:17 pm

Now I thought they attacked the west due to the wests continued interference in the middle east.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:43 pm

dermotdermot

".... The Islamic State attacks the West for supporting the State of Israel....."

Gosh!

If that is the case, why doesn't ISIS ever attack Israel? It's strange that Israel is happy to treat the injured head choppers from Syria in its hospitals.
ISIS is like a wet dream for Israel. One could even be cynical and regard ISIS as cannon fodder for the cause of Eretz Israel.

I can appreciate that some may get confused and conflate "ISIS" with the "Israeli Secret Intelligence Service".

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:49 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:Gosh!

If that is the case, why doesn't ISIS ever attack Israel? It's strange that Israel is happy to treat the injured head choppers from Syria in its hospitals.
ISIS is like a wet dream for Israel. One could even be cynical and regard ISIS as cannon fodder for the cause of Eretz Israel.

I can appreciate that some may get confused and conflate "ISIS" with the "Israeli Secret Intelligence Service".

Because it isn't all that easy to attack Israel. Unlike Europe they don't make it easily accessible, they also have very powerful intelligence agencies, and an army to be reckoned with that are not afraid to play hard ball or dirty. IS know they haven't a prayer, they'd rather take out easy targets in the middle east and send in the odd unit here and there into the cosmopolitan cities of Europe; much easier targets.

Lance Romance · Post by **Lance Romance** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:32 pm

London is enriched and vibrant. I've been working there a lot recently. If you leave on the train you can soon be back in England.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:35 pm

There are now 5 dead in total.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:58 pm

Lance Romance wrote:London is enriched and vibrant. I've been working there a lot recently. If you leave on the train you can soon be back in England.

Peace & Love from a Claret in Peckham.

I've starred the enemy in the face myself. He's quite nice, called Kamran, plays 5-a-side but he does like the Transformers movies which makes me question his taste. Clearly out to get us all.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:20 am

dermotdermot wrote:It will be interesting to hear Corbyn's slant on this in parliament especially after his unequivocal support for Martin McGuinnness yesterday.

Blair and Major were both very outspoken in their support for Martin McGuinness yesterday. Will you also be interested in their 'slant' on this as well?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:57 am

morpheus2 wrote:Sorry old bean, I'm sure I keep reading after virtually every jihadi attack in the West that the perpetrator (if it's a 'lone wolf') has mental health issues, I recall seeing this about the 'Norwegian' gentleman in Russell Sq who was triggered by mental health issues, the Nice driver, the Orlando mentally unstable and mentally ill repressed homosexual, the guy who carried out a hostage attack in Sydney a couple of years ago had a narcissistic personality disorder, the Chattanooga killer who they said suffered from bipolar disorder and depression....I can't help it, I don't think I'm imagining it I just keep seeing it and I'm sure I'd seen a The Independent piece on a scientific study which had deduced that most Islamic terror attacks were the result of mental illness....you're the King of Google, you can find it I'm sure

I don't know much about political wings so I'm not sure if these are from the wrong wing, apologies.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... h-problems
http://theconversation.com/from-act-of- ... cost-63060

Sorry old bean but I'm certain there's a difference betwen people generally blaming terrorism on mental illness and the authorities, quite reasonably, looking into mental illness as a potential cause/reason these people commit these acts.

We should look at emntal illness as a cause when it comes to some people's vulnerability to terrorist clerics but that doesn't equate to blaming all terrorism from Muslim on mental illness and it's dishonest to the point of lying to suggest anyone is.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:22 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Sorry old bean but I'm certain there's a difference betwen people generally blaming terrorism on mental illness and the authorities, quite reasonably, looking into mental illness as a potential cause/reason these people commit these acts.

We should look at emntal illness as a cause when it comes to some people's vulnerability to terrorist clerics but that doesn't equate to blaming all terrorism from Muslim on mental illness and it's dishonest to the point of lying to suggest anyone is.

Apology accepted old bean, next time think before you post.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:24 am

morpheus2 wrote:Apology accepted old bean, next time think before you post.

You apologised first.

Of course, neither of us were really apologising but it's funnier this way.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:55 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Honestly mate, in an equivalent reversed scenario, I find that quite hard to believe.

Well, a school being used to shelter Syrian fleeing ISIS was bombed by the Us and killed 33 people. 18 out of 47 people who voted on it saw fit to upvote the comment "excellant 33 less to come here go usa"

Tell me more about how you find it hard to believe that some of us can be ***** too.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:14 am

PC Keith Palmer died a hero today.

But he wasn't the only hero today.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:09 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:PC Keith Palmer died a hero today.

But he wasn't the only hero today.

I wish that gif wasn't part of something so tragic, because it is so Hot Fuzz...."what's the matter Danny, you never taken a shortcut before?"

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:29 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Well, a school being used to shelter Syrian fleeing ISIS was bombed by the Us and killed 33 people. 18 out of 47 people who voted on it saw fit to upvote the comment "excellant 33 less to come here go usa"

Tell me more about how you find it hard to believe that some of us can be ***** too.

So most people down voted it? Also America doesn't count, they have infinitely more nutters than here.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:36 am

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Blair and Major were both very outspoken in their support for Martin McGuinness yesterday. Will you also be interested in their 'slant' on this as well?

As was the Prime Minister - I wonder what her slant on this is ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:51 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:So most people down voted it? Also America doesn't count, they have infinitely more nutters than here.

You're comfortable with nearly 40% of people liking it enough to up vote it?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:02 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:As was the Prime Minister - I wonder what her slant on this is ?

Blair, Major and May have never been sympathetic to factions involved in this sort of atrocity. Corbyn has.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:26 am

The first cop even looks a bit like Simon Pegg, and the 2nd looks a bit like Nick Frost

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:34 am

I know, right? If it was a less serious situation i'd be convinced it was intentional.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:22 am

When you listen to the list of nationalities of the injured yesterday I can't help but feel proud, proud of the tolerance and diversity of this country.

I hate the murdering scumbags that commit atrocities like this and it is easy to react in the wrong way but we must guard against it and not have a knee jerk reaction.

Rest in peace Keith, and thank you for your service and ultimate sacrifice.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:22 am

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Usual stuff then it seems, known to police, been investigated before but decided he wasn't a risk, born in the UK.
Number of people arrested in raids in Birmingham.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:25 am

Forgot to ask, if he's trying to attack parliment is that classed as treason as he's a british citizen?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:28 am

Its essentially exactly the same as Thomas Mair.

Be interesting to see how its get reported, especially as Farage was on Fox News last night saying "we don't vet refugees properly"

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:48 am

James obrian the hard left Islamic appeasement chimp on LBC radio, has just said, "it's not the terrorists that cause terror, it's people in my profession who write about it and spread fear"

I hadn't realised just how far this extreme, champagne communist had been radicalised!

I'd have him on a watch list.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're comfortable with nearly 40% of people liking it enough to up vote it?

Not particularly but I don't see 60% of sad faces flying across the screen on that snapshot I posted.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:46 pm

Predictably ISIS have claimed responsibility for this.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:00 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Not particularly but I don't see 60% of sad faces flying across the screen on that snapshot I posted.

For all we know it might be a stream belonging to wwx.killtheinfidels.boom, or whatever. The point is there's no reason to think that image is representative of anything except a bunch of people who can read arabic text who like it when westerners die. There is no context whatsoever. It's even worse than me trying to say that ~40 of Daily Mail comments readers upvoting a deplorable comment is representative of people who can read English, or just representative of Brits, or Americans.

The only reason anyone can have for sharing that image without providing any kind of context is to gin up hatred and to make racist bigots angry.

I expect when we find out where that picture comes from we'll understand more about why all so many seem to find yesterday's attack funny. I bet it's an extremist source.

EDIT: Oh for **** sake. Apparently it's a mainstream Arabic news site.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:19 pm

Do we need to know the name of the cowardly scumbag who did this ? I would keep the coward nameless and feed the body to rats. Not a British Citizen in a million years.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:21 pm

Actually he is, he was born and raised here, so unfortunately he's one of ours whether we like it or not.

There could be hundreds of them out there just waiting for their time and a large number of them will be born and raised here, not imported.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:29 pm

Blackrod wrote:Do we need to know the name of the cowardly scumbag who did this ? I would keep the coward nameless and feed the body to rats. Not a British Citizen in a million years.

How exactly wasn't he a British citizen?