Regional dialects question.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:55 pm

Somebody pointed out to me that when I made a reference to Hull the other day, that I said "River Umba" as opposed to Humber.

They were from Mersyside, I thought it was a bit rich of them to highlight issues with regional dialects.

People say the local accents are becoming less noticeable in the modern era, do you think this is the case ?

I am from Burnley, and I know things have changed over the years, definately less use of the older Lancashire way of speaking that was quite distinctive.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:13 pm

it certainly is the case

there is a modern phenomenon of pronouncing u as i eg, gid rather than good (gud).

the hegemony of american english, technology etc.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:15 pm

Have you ever heard teenagers talking amongst themselves? Sounds like a mix of Neighbours and gibberish

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:29 pm

My cousin yesterday in blackpool flagged up how Burnlehhh i was when i said 'donkehhh'

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:05 pm

And that jason roberts....on tv with garth crooks,wheres he from? Really heavy hood/gangsta speak. Bruv innit.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:09 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:My cousin yesterday in blackpool flagged up how Burnlehhh i was when i said 'donkehhh'

When i lived there for seven years ....they sounded posh to me. They dont seem to have an accent.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:10 pm

I notice a lot of things down here in Oxfordshire/ Berkshire.

Words like grass is pronounced grarss , Bath is Barth.
There are some others where they've chucked in an extra R, laugh being another - Laurgh.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:14 pm

There's all sorts of silly sounds crept in.

Ebonics is the worst of it I think.

All this "but I is goin down da footy innit" is just ********.

If tha can't talk reyt, shut thy gob.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:14 pm

is there anything more pathetic than all that bruv and " blood" rubbish ? god, its drivel. and all the american ghetto stuff in places like keighley and Rochdale, basically northern lancastrians pretending to be from south central LA. Idiots, how embarrassing.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:18 pm

I went to Uni in Leeds but most of my friends were southerners including lots of Londoners, and apparently I've lost quite a bit of my Burnley accent I'm told.

Given how much p1ss taking I endured whenever I opened my mouth, I was surprised to hear that.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:21 pm

It's strange.
There are many strong Burnley accents in Padiham.
However, two or three miles down the road in Clayton le Moors
it's practically unheard.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:26 pm

grew up in burnley with my mum's clayton le moors family taking the mickey out of my 'up the steyers' accent.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:30 pm

tim_noone wrote:When i lived there for seven years ....they sounded posh to me. They dont seem to have an accent.

It's certainly a much less noticeable accent from those who live in West Lancs/the Fylde.

Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:54 pm

tim_noone wrote:And that jason roberts....on tv with garth crooks,wheres he from? Really heavy hood/gangsta speak. Bruv innit.

And there's that Idris Elba bloke too who speaks in that annoying homogeneous, non-specific, characterless, TV-influenced, blokey/gangsta style that gives no hint of its origin.

Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:56 pm

I haven't lived in Lancashire for over 30 years but I still receive significant grief down here for the way I talk. Regionalism rules in the South.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:59 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I notice a lot of things down here in Oxfordshire/ Berkshire.

Words like grass is pronounced grarss , Bath is Barth.
There are some others where they've chucked in an extra R, laugh being another - Laurgh.

When I was at college in Luton in the early 70's I asked a bloke at the bus stop what time the bus was due, he replied "the bass is due at nine."

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:35 pm

I started a new job on Friday at Lomeshaye, part of which involves some customer service.

At the end of the day myself and the boss (from Essex) had a 'feedback' meeting. I was picked up on two points.

1. I am a smoker and the smell on my clothes may set off her asthma (fair enough)
2. I speak with a Burnley accent. I asked if she had received feedback on this being offputting over the phone to clients. Apparently not, she 'just doesnt like the accent as she is southern'

I dont think I will be in this job for much longer

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:35 pm

Used to work in skipton. They used to roll about laughing at the way i pronounced 'pork pie'. Its only 15 miles away!

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:06 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I notice a lot of things down here in Oxfordshire/ Berkshire.

Words like grass is pronounced grarss , Bath is Barth.
There are some others where they've chucked in an extra R, laugh being another - Laurgh.

Ask them to say maths though and they don't do it. Weirdos.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:12 pm

Moustache is another.

They pronounce it Moustosh for some reason.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:18 pm

Garahj instead of garridge.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:52 pm

tim_noone wrote:When i lived there for seven years ....they sounded posh to me. They dont seem to have an accent.

I always said that about blackpool. Maybe slight similarities to manc for some reason. Maybe all the mancs go on holiday there.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:54 pm

john'sroseyspecs wrote:Used to work in skipton. They used to roll about laughing at the way i pronounced 'pork pie'. Its only 15 miles away!

I get that from people in accehhh.

'Pah and chips' is how i apparently say it haha

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:59 pm

Whats remarkable is how close towns can be in this country and dialects differ.

I can tell difference between barlick and burnley. Burnley and accy. Accy and blackburn. Blackburn and bolton. Bolton and manchester. Its crazy. And amazing and i love it.

Australia. A huge country. One of the worlds biggest and each city has the same bloody accent.

Regional identity and accents should be retained as long as possible. Not taught out.

I am proud of my accent. And find myself even more northern when i work away or go abroad.

Even my friends from europe can tell our accent and love to impersonate it.

Theres a lot of southern accents that are much of a muchness. Northants, oxfordshire, cambridgeshire. Im sure they can tell the difference.

But that aside from london, down to the south west up through wales and the midlands into the north and beyond there are some cracking regional accents and words. I love it.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:03 am

It's always annoyed me how thick we sound when in front of a microphone on the tele or radio.

We don't sound like that in real life.

The mic's are all against us.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:25 am

Our accent is just no no sense. I remember going away with my mate at 16 and we met a group of similar age from scotland some from midlands and cheshire.

The lass from crewe couldnt believe our accent. She said we just unnecessarily missed words out. I corrected her - we miss unnecessary words out.

Why say. 'I am going to the shops. Would you like me to get you anything whilst I am there?'? When you can say. 'Going shop. Wan' owt?'

Same with other stuff.

'I am going to the public house would you like to join me?' - PUB

Others.

Pint?
Beer?
Turf?
Bookies?
Gym?
What tahms dinnah?
Brew?
Tea coffee?
Tea one!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:39 am

You lot say 'am agate' and we say 'am gi' in it'.

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Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:48 am

The classic for me is when a group is asked if anybody has any (somethings). For example you could ask a few blokes if anybody has a cigarette.

In Burnley this translates as..'Has anyonya anyonya?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:51 am

Used that terminology last week ont turf am a gate.... The guy I said it to had a conversation on words not used much the day before.agate was one of em....

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:52 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You lot say 'am agate' and we say 'am gi' in it'.

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Only people in burnley would understand why this street name is so funny.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:54 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Our accent is just no no sense. I remember going away with my mate at 16 and we met a group of similar age from scotland some from midlands and cheshire.

The lass from crewe couldnt believe our accent. She said we just unnecessarily missed words out. I corrected her - we miss unnecessary words out.

Why say. 'I am going to the shops. Would you like me to get you anything whilst I am there?'? When you can say. 'Going shop. Wan' owt?'

Same with other stuff.

'I am going to the public house would you like to join me?' - PUB

Others.

Pint?
Beer?
Turf?
Bookies?
Gym?
What tahms dinnah?
Brew?
Tea coffee?
Tea one!

Haha, actually said similar earlier this week, "Jawon owt from't shops" is what it sounded like when I was asked to spell it.
I dont get problems locally, but if I stray , someone always looks puzzled.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 01, 2017 1:03 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:Haha, actually said similar earlier this week, "Jawon owt from't shops" is what it sounded like when I was asked to spell it.
I dont get problems locally, but if I stray , someone always looks puzzled.

Mek us a butteh will ya?

If its a corned beef sandwich as well we cant even be arsed saying corned.

Corn beef butteh. Hahaha

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Mon May 01, 2017 7:26 am

Why do we do we say Vimpto instead of Vimto? Why do we put an extra P in?

Really good thread. Up the Clarets at its best.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon May 01, 2017 8:21 am

My bezzer (the Wiltshire idiot) is actually more northern than me as he's from downham, but it's only just over the wrong side of the hill, and he continually rips us Burnley-ites for pronouncing words with an "I" in it with a drawn out drawl.

"What tahms me tea?"

"Fahv"

"What we avin?"

"Pah"

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon May 01, 2017 8:25 am

My old dad God rest him used to swap letters around.

Bottle became bockle. Kettle became keckle and hospital, ospickle. He also stuck an "h" where there wasn't supposed to be one. "That vokes int has good has that pointer"

heiaburnley · Post by **heiaburnley** » Mon May 01, 2017 8:43 am

When I first came to Burnley people I met along the canal seemed to ask me "You are I ?". It took me some time to realise they probably said "are you all right ?"

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Mon May 01, 2017 9:34 am

This audio is well worth listening two. These two gentlemen are called Freeman Birtwistle and Joe Spencer. The audio was recorded in the 1960s and it has the two men reminiscing about growing up in Trawden. The men were born in the 1870s and their accents are amazing. I struggle sometimes to pick up what they are saying.
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cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 01, 2017 11:09 am

heiaburnley wrote:When I first came to Burnley people I met along the canal seemed to ask me "You are I ?". It took me some time to realise they probably said "are you all right ?"

You mean cuhnell not canal?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon May 01, 2017 11:23 am

or girls saying if you bought them a drink "I'll have a lager and laaaaahm" meaning LIME. ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon May 01, 2017 11:31 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:I am from Burnley, and I know things have changed over the years, definately less use of the older Lancashire way of speaking that was quite distinctive.

We've never had the older Lancashire way of speaking - our accent has always been far removed from the Lancashire accents.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon May 01, 2017 11:36 am

ClaretTony wrote:We've never had the older Lancashire way of speaking - our accent has always been far removed from the Lancashire accents.

here he is

ralph · Post by **ralph** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We've never had the older Lancashire way of speaking - our accent has always been far removed from the Lancashire accents.

Very true

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Mon May 01, 2017 5:56 pm

My sister now lives in Denton and she commented on my three year old's Burnley accent yesterday, ''I need to go to the tarlet Auntie Katherine.''

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon May 01, 2017 6:37 pm

ralph wrote:Very true

Yorite blud.....we's all peas n rice no black pud chat round this manor bruv.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Mon May 01, 2017 7:20 pm

Olt and nolt for anything and nothing.Great sayings which I use regular,not sure I've heard it outside Burnley.

ralph · Post by **ralph** » Mon May 01, 2017 7:54 pm

tim_noone wrote:Yorite blud.....we's all peas n rice no black pud chat round this manor bruv.

Interesting thing dialect as opposed to accent or indeed language within a discourse community such as this one ...on reflection however I think you may be using plain old fashioned daft talk