Another example of the rich avoiding jail

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:41 am

You can guarantee that if someone on benefits did this they would be going to jail:

Nothing like a fair society is there?

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mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:54 am

I would hope the GMC will do the right thing for once.
A budding heart surgeon sticking the knife in a leg needs a few anatomy lessons unless she was trying to harvest veins for bypass surgery.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:06 am

I was reading about this the other day.

Whilst she has avoided jail, wrongly in my opinion, the fact it's been splashed all over the media that she's been on drug-fuelled assults gives you hope that it's marked against her name for future employers.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:13 am

Pretty fit, mind.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:15 am

Sidney1st wrote:I was reading about this the other day.

Whilst she has avoided jail, wrongly in my opinion, the fact it's been splashed all over the media that she's been on drug-fuelled assults gives you hope that it's marked against her name for future employers.

Hence my comments re the GMC. I imagine it will be a long time before she will be free from supervision given how Harold progressed in his career

Midmoorclaret · Post by **Midmoorclaret** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:24 am

I thought this was going to be about a very wealthy individual but I can't see where it mentions her income or family background, other than she had a "very troubled life". Perhaps all students are rich?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:27 am

I wouldn't want her operating on me. What if she turned. Needs punishing.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:44 am

It says in the article that she will be sentenced in September. The judge has at the moment only suggested she does not get a custodial sentence.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:04 am

Can't see anything in the article which says she is rich and she hasn't yet avoided prison. Apart from those inaccuracies an excellent thread!

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:13 am

I've never seen too much point in someone like this spending a period in prison at our expense, and then potentially becoming a burden on society, when in fact, she could become a massive contributor to society and the economy.
Much better to rehabilitate, educate, qualify and then be made to contribute say 10% of all her future earnings to either the state or charity. (This assumes of course that the GMC consider her mentally capable /suitable for her chosen profession.)

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 18, 2017 9:51 am

Aye, Oxford medical student Lavinia (who is currently on holiday in Barbados), who studied at the £16k per year Sir James Henderson British School in Milan, is not rich and is actually from Stoops.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:15 am

A thread full of holes ! !

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:29 am

Funkydrummer wrote:A thread full of holes ! !

Much like her boyfriends leg!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:42 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:Pretty fit, mind.

And you've also got to wonder if the outcome would've been the same if she wasn't.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:57 am

Leisure wrote:Can't see anything in the article which says she is rich and she hasn't yet avoided prison. Apart from those inaccuracies an excellent thread!

She did attend a £16,000 per year school in Milan prior to going to Oxford - it does sort of suggest her family might not be in the breadline.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:06 am

At the end of the day she is still going to have a criminal record regardless of sentence. However, the sentence should be based on the seriousness of the crime, not on the social standing, career prospects or whatever of the guilty party. If someone like one of the "3 girls" for instance was involved I am sure the outcome would be totally different. It puts you in mind of the "fragrant Mrs Archer" comments during Archer's trial when the judge refused to believe that Mary Archer could be anything but totally honest based on her appearance and place in society.

I am sure that there are guidelines for sentencing crimes of this nature, the judge needs to apply them consistently. The alternative maybe is sentencing by committee.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:08 am

ClaretTony wrote:She did attend a £16,000 per year school in Milan prior to going to Oxford - it does sort of suggest her family might not be in the breadline.

Can't see anything in the article that mentions it? But even so, just because her family may be well off it doesn't mean that she is!

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:10 am

People on the breadline don't go to Barbados

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:36 am

The ones I see do.
Might be seven seeds wholemeal from Waitrose though, I will grant you that

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:37 am

A considered view from a barrister who has actually looked beyond the headlines https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017/05/ ... to-prison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:51 am

So if the judge follows those guideline, no problem. However a suspended sentence is still, in theory, a custodial sentence. In the original report the judge seems to be suggesting that a custodial sentence, either immediate or suspended, would be too severe. That looks to be at odds with the link above.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:43 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:People on the breadline don't go to Barbados

.......... nor do they call their children "Lavinia". Or, I suspect, anything else beginning with "Lav"

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Thu May 18, 2017 4:56 pm

Career likely to be over, the GMC takes a very dim view of Doctors who abuse Drugs.

They won't deal with the issues of Registration etc until after the Court case is concluded, but it is unlikely she will be able to continue along her chosen path.

Oh and don't assume she is rich just because she is a Junior Doctor.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu May 18, 2017 5:05 pm

Hopefully this publicity will stop her getting what she wants and will serve some justice where the courts failed.

With that said, when you come from wealth, there is always a way.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Thu May 18, 2017 5:51 pm

If, as the OP suggested she was "a poor wastrel" I've little doubt she would be doing time. That said some useless poor dole scrounger is of little use to society either now or in the future. Yet a potential surgeon has tremendous potential.

She looks like one of those fittys that rides like wildfire but woe be-tide the day she catches you chatting to another bird.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 18, 2017 6:03 pm

KeighleyClaret wrote:Oh and don't assume she is rich just because she is a Junior Doctor.

I think the assumption she is rich comes from the fact she went to a private school in Milan.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat May 20, 2017 8:54 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lover.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She may not be loaded, but her parents definitely are.

She's just another typical kid from a wealthy family, living off her parents money and is a bit of a dick.
The alleged coke addiction isn't a surprise either.

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Sat May 20, 2017 12:20 pm

Boyfriend not taken to hospital, just stitches at the scene. Can't help but wonder if she was ugly, from a poor family and had 3 kids by different fathers would we even hear about the case?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:18 pm

10 month suspended sentence.

Turns out the judge didn't want to harm her promising future.
I suspect she will do that herself at some point, but now she's got a conviction I suspect the harm is already done.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:26 pm

To be fair, IF she can sort herself and her career out in the future, she is still likely to be a damned sight more useful to society than many.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:31 pm

From what I remember it wasn't the first time she'd attacked someone and judging from the below, she's a bit of a mess and really shouldn't be attempting to become a doctor right now.

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starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:34 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:To be fair, IF she can sort herself and her career out in the future, she is still likely to be a damned sight more useful to society than many.

And IF many could sort themselves out, they could also be a damned sight more useful than they are or others.

So what's your point?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:34 pm

Blackrod wrote:I wouldn't want her operating on me.

She can operate on me any time she likes.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:45 pm

I agree, why punish good people by grouping them with bad ones.... There is a difference between a serial offending scumbag and a good person who made a mistake. If the boyfriend didnt even attend hospital it cant be much of an injury sustained which clearly makes the case less serious.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:46 pm

What's been the source of her income from May until now?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:48 pm

I think a crime is a crime, regardless. How much you earn, what career you're pursuing.. don't give a monkeys.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:48 pm

Sidney1st wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lover.html

She may not be loaded, but her parents definitely are.

She's just another typical kid from a wealthy family, living off her parents money and is a bit of a dick.
The alleged coke addiction isn't a surprise either.

Is she not a junior Doctor? Not exactly what I'd call "happy to live off parents", I'm sure you would be quite proud if your child had ambition and drive to become a Doctor.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:50 pm

KRBFC wrote:I'm sure you would be quite proud if your child had ambition and drive to become a Doctor.

... and enjoyed stabbing people and taking drugs. Don't forget that bit

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:53 pm

KRBFC wrote:Is she not a junior Doctor? Not exactly what I'd call "happy to live off parents", I'm sure you would be quite proud if your child had ambition and drive to become a Doctor.

It isn't cheap to become a Doctor, isn't it something like 7 yrs of uni and training?

Uni fees, general living costs etc.

A cocaine/drug and drink addiction wont be cheap either, so trust me when I say she's living off her parents.

There's also a lot of pressure involved and if she's already emotionally unstable it isn't a good place for her to be.

Yes I'd like my kids to be ambitious and kick on in life but not if it means they become a mess like this woman.
I'd rather they settled for slightly less and were happy.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:00 pm

Sidney1st wrote:It isn't cheap to become a Doctor, isn't it something like 7 yrs of uni and training?

Uni fees, general living costs etc.

A cocaine/drug and drink addiction wont be cheap either, so trust me when I say she's living off her parents.

There's also a lot of pressure involved and if she's already emotionally unstable it isn't a good place for her to be.

Yes I'd like my kids to be ambitious and kick on in life but not if it means they become a mess like this woman.
I'd rather they settled for slightly less and were happy.

Fair point but most students have to get financial support from parents/government, it doesn't mean they're happy to do so.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:02 pm

starting_11 wrote:And IF many could sort themselves out, they could also be a damned sight more useful than they are or others.

So what's your point?

My point is what I said.
You're right, if all drug addicts or folks with mental issues had sufficient support, then far more of them would lead useful lives.
I don't want to come across as all Ringo about this but it is a fact that her career, intelligence and background do suggest she has a better chance than most. That's the government's fault, not hers.

She is more likely, I suspect, to overcome her problems and be an extremely useful member of society and therefore deserves a chance.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:03 pm

KRBFC wrote:Fair point but most students have to get financial support from parents/government, it doesn't mean they're happy to do so.

No they probably aren't, but she's got history of eating disorders, drink and drug addiction etc, most students don't.
She isn't happy with whatever she's doing with life and maybe she should re-evaluate what she's doing with herself.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:03 pm

This rich woman from toxteth avoided jail after stabbing someone too
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.liverp ... 456427.amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:06 pm

One rule for some, another rule for others? That's just bonkers. Intelligence, background or career potential shouldn't come into this. You commit a crime and you do the time.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:07 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:My point is what I said.
You're right, if all drug addicts or folks with mental issues had sufficient support, then far more of them would lead useful lives.
I don't want to come across as all Ringo about this but it is a fact that her career, intelligence and background do suggest she has a better chance than most. That's the government's fault, not hers.

She is more likely, I suspect, to overcome her problems and be an extremely useful member of society and therefore deserves a chance.

Which one? Tory or Labour?

I suspect your answer would change depending who was in charge.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:08 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:My point is what I said.
You're right, if all drug addicts or folks with mental issues had sufficient support, then far more of them would lead useful lives.
I don't want to come across as all Ringo about this but it is a fact that her career, intelligence and background do suggest she has a better chance than most. That's the government's fault, not hers.

She is more likely, I suspect, to overcome her problems and be an extremely useful member of society and therefore deserves a chance.

She was in a better position than most to know fully the dangers of drinking excessively and taking class A drugs and still chose to go down that path.

Yeah she will get the help she needs to overcome her demons but as it stands she's going to have to smash all of her exams to have any sort of chance at becoming a doctor.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:10 pm

Damo wrote:This rich woman from toxteth avoided jail after stabbing someone too
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.liverp ... 456427.amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She avoiding jail because she was of low intelligence?
This country is just messed up.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:11 pm

FactualFrank wrote:One rule for some, another rule for others? That's just bonkers. Intelligence, background or career potential shouldn't come into this. You commit a crime and you do the time.

I think the likelihood of the person reoffending has to be considered. Past offences is quite rightly taken into account. Id rather people were given a chance providing the first time offence isn't that serious otherwise there would be more bad people about who's lives would be ruined upon their release from prison.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:42 pm

Sidney1st wrote:She avoiding jail because she was of low intelligence?
This country is just messed up.

So what do we do with these people that keep stabbing people...and what happened to the person that stabbed at you out of interest?

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:48 pm

I would suspect (hope) that the DBS check would put a halt to a career as a doctor.