Ins and outs of current squad

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:25 pm

Which of our regular players do you think will leave Burnley before next season and who will stay ?

These are my guesses based on rumours and my opinion

Definite leaving:
Keane
Boyd
Arfield
Defour
Flannagan

Possibly leaving:
Barnes
Gray
Darikwa

Staying:
Heaton
Pope
Lowton
Mee
Ward
Long
Tarkowski
JBG
Westwood
Hendrick
Brady
Marney
Vokes

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:27 pm

Can't argue with that, although kightly will be a definite leaver whilst Arfield maybe just a possible IMO.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:30 pm

If the staying list is correct we are gonna need some major signings and lots of em

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:31 pm

"These are my guesses based on rumours and my opinion"

Followed by a Definite section.......

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:32 pm

Sidney1st wrote:"These are my guesses based on rumours and my opinion"

Followed by a Definite section.......

Definitely rumours and definitely his opinion, so technically.....

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:33 pm

Sidney1st wrote:"These are my guesses based on rumours and my opinion"

Followed by a Definite section.......

Now you're splitting hairs

But will definitely leave IMO, for what it's worth

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:35 pm

Definitely maybe

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:35 pm

Surely we should keep one of Boyd or Arfield. I fear that too many changes could be detrimental to the make-up of the team.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:36 pm

Shopping list -

Left back
Centre back (maybe two)
2 centre midfielders
Winger
Forward (a number 10 type who is comfortable with the ball) or two

If it isn't all done by mid July, I'll come on here and moan and moan about a lack of ambition and dry powder.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Very interesting and when listed like that it brings home how low on numbers we could be at the start of next season, given we generally like to do business late in the window these days.

No wonder SD has taken every interview to speak about recruitment over the last few weeks, he knows he's got another big task on his hands.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:40 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Shopping list -

Left back
Centre back (maybe two)
2 centre midfielders
Winger
Forward (a number 10 type who is comfortable with the ball) or two

If it isn't all done by mid July, I'll come on here and moan and moan about a lack of ambition and dry powder.

Whilst pointing at another club who have done it correctly, like Boro did last summer..

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:47 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Shopping list -

Left back
Centre back (maybe two)
2 centre midfielders
Winger
Forward (a number 10 type who is comfortable with the ball) or two

If it isn't all done by mid July, I'll come on here and moan and moan about a lack of ambition and dry powder.

Can see the following:

Left back - Robertson (Hull)
Clucas and Adam for midfield. Maybe Ledley.
No idea on a winger.
Jon Walters.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:50 pm

Definite leaving?:
Keane
Flanagan
Kightly

Possibly leaving?:
Boyd
Defour
Arfield
Barnes
Gray
Darikwa

Staying?:
Heaton
Pope
Lowton
Mee
Ward
Long
Tarkowski
JBG
Westwood
Hendrick
Brady
Marney
Vokes

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:56 pm

Marney, Barton and Defour need replacing to give us adequate quality / back up / potentially the ability to play a five more readily. As it stands we have Westwood and Hendrick.

Two full backs are needed be they back up or upgrades (both have had good seasons but no reason we shouldn't look to improve if someone becomes available.

Centre half suddenly looks a worry. We need one quality signing in there as a minimum but potentially two. Our depth at centre half isn't as good as is needed.

One winger with some pace so that we can offer something different and stretch teams on both sides.

A number 10 who can link midfield and attack.

On top of that would depend upon outgoings.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:04 pm

Anybody from the dev squad that might move up?

Dewhurst1882 · Post by **Dewhurst1882** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:16 pm

My ins and outs:

Outs:
Keane (inevitable)
Arfield
Kightly
Darikwa
Flanno
K.Long
C. Long (loan)
Agyei (loan)
O'Neill (loan)
Anderson (loan)
Ulvestad
Pope (loan)

Ins:
Chambers
Jagielka
Robertson
Rodriguez
Ruddy
Traore
Ryan Sessengnon
Cairney

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:19 pm

I agree with Bin On Turf's shopping list. I think 6 needed.

Phil Bardsley on a free anyone? Right-back but could cover at left back if needed. 32 in June though. Robertson from Hull, Maguire at Hull, Will Hughes from Derby, Cairney from Fulham, Jota from Brentford. Joe Ledley on a free as cover? Connor Wickham? Clucas (Hull) seems a Dyche type player somehow. Fabien Delph at Man City, maybe wages too high? Charlie Adam on a free. Stephen Ireland on a free at Stoke, again possible cover (what happened to him, still only 30 and has hardly played of late). Darren Fletcher on a free I think i read? Johnny Howson from Norwich... just a few realistic options. Struggling to think of good wingers at a realistic price. Feel we need to spend big on a striker, maybe from Europe. One or two of the free transfers with a handful of smart, big money signings should improved the squad.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:20 pm

Dewhurst1882 wrote:My ins and outs:

Outs:
Keane (inevitable)
Arfield
Kightly
Darikwa
Flanno
K.Long
C. Long (loan)
Agyei (loan)
O'Neill (loan)
Anderson (loan)
Ulvestad
Pope (loan)

Ins:
Chambers
Jagielka
Robertson
Rodriguez
Ruddy
Traore
Ryan Sessengnon
Cairney

Those ins would cost 100 million plus, we'll be lucky if we spend 30-40 imho

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:21 pm

Ryan Sessengnon going to Spurs.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:22 pm

We should get £25m for Keane and say minimum £5m for Defour. So that's £30m to add to the pot. We spent £35-40million on transfer over the course of this season, so £50 million might not be unrealistic. Obviously some of that should be saved for January if needed.

Dewhurst1882 · Post by **Dewhurst1882** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:25 pm

Chambers £15m
Jagielka out of contract
Robertson £10m
Rodriguez £12m
Ruddy out of contract
Traore £15m
Sessengnon £12m
Cairney £12m

£76m by my estimates. Obviously we won't get them all but they'd be on my lost for sure.

Dewhurst1882 · Post by **Dewhurst1882** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:28 pm

Dewhurst1882 wrote:Chambers £15m
Jagielka out of contract
Robertson £10m
Rodriguez £12m
Ruddy out of contract
Traore £15m
Sessengnon £12m
Cairney £12m

£76m by my estimates. Obviously we won't get them all but they'd be on my lost for sure.

Sorry, Jagielka has 1 year remaining so maybe £5m?

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:50 pm

with the loss of Marney and Barton it's a MF general we lack. Westwood and Hendrick are OK but neither grabs the game and takes it over, ordering team mates about or leading by example. This is what we have lacked since Joeys suspension.
I doubt we'd have lost a home lead to West Brom or West Ham with either of the two on the field. As neither is back soon we desperately need a boss. Of all those mentioned Charlie Adam is the closest.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:08 pm

I don't think that Adam would get about the pitch like Marney or Barton.

He has all the other attributes though and is technically better.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:13 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Those ins would cost 100 million plus, we'll be lucky if we spend 30-40 imho

It's all hypothetical, but we would most likely only sign all those on that list, (or players of similar calibre or value) if we sold Keane, Defour and Gray, and you would hope that this would raise around £45,000,000 - (maybe more), so a net spend of less than £60 million, and therefore not wildly extravagant. (As you suggest though, I would imagine that a net spend below 50 million is more likely.)

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:14 pm

if those changes occured, the entire shape and personality of the team would be huge.
When Dyche talks about a learning curve, and players gaining from the experience of playing at this level and being together as a tight unit which breeds team spirit, then it is more or less starting afresh !
I realise if the replacements are similarly experienced then at least that solves one problem but it will be very difficult to rebuild an effective team in 12 weeks surely. Some complained about Tarks last week, but without Keane and Mee, the back four stability had altered considerably, I think he can step right in, he's an excellent player and don't believe any blame can be attributed to him, but naturally it will take time.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:15 pm

Dewhurst1882 wrote:Chambers £15m
Jagielka out of contract
Robertson £10m
Rodriguez £12m
Ruddy out of contract
Traore £15m
Sessengnon £12m
Cairney £12m

£76m by my estimates. Obviously we won't get them all but they'd be on my lost for sure.

So you would spunk £15m on Traore of Middlesboro?? Jesus....

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:15 pm

Loftus Cheek on a season long loan. Stewart from Liverpool

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:22 pm

76 million + wages = 100 million plus

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:33 pm

Based on this season's profit and 25m for keane we're looking at a pot of 200m.

Surely we'll at least match this season's spending of 40m ish.

Wages go up to say 50m. Leaves quite a surplus.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:39 pm

Andrea Ranocchia is apparently surplus to requirements at Inter and has just had half a season in the PL so he wouldn't be an unknown quantity. He's got 20+ Italy caps and is 29 years old. For a CB that's a good age. Rumoured fee of around £9m. He'd be on my radar big time. Good replacement for Keane with money spare to strengthen elsewhere.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon May 22, 2017 4:59 pm

Walt wrote:Based on this season's profit and 25m for keane we're looking at a pot of 200m.

Surely we'll at least match this season's spending of 40m ish.

Wages go up to say 50m. Leaves quite a surplus.

And what is this season's profit precisely?
We will have commited about half of the £100mill on transfer and agent fees.
Can't see there will be much left after wages NI and payments to IR

Harleston Claret · Post by **Harleston Claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:11 pm

IN: (Too many, I know)

Robertson/Taylor
Right Back
Dawson (WBA)
Maguire
McCarthy
Leadbitter
Cork
Adam
Howson
Cairney
Januazi
Forestieri
Deeney
Long

OUT:

Darikwa
Keane
Defour
Barton (Gone)
Marney ( Love him but injury may dictate)
Boyd
Arfield
Ulvestad
Chris Long
Barnes
Kightly

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:11 pm

one transfer at a time

and remember Marney will be like a new signing

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:12 pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see Flanagan stay as cover for both fullbacks. I think he's shown this year that he won't be good enough to get back in the Liverpool team and he'd be a fairly minimal fee.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:18 pm

First thing I would like is clarity re Sean Dyche. Has a new contract been offered?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:36 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:First thing I would like is clarity re Sean Dyche. Has a new contract been offered?

He's under contract

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:01 pm

I thought his contract was a twelve month rolling one.

Claret&Green · Post by **Claret&Green** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:22 pm

Dewhurst1882 wrote:My ins and outs:

Outs:
Keane (inevitable)
Arfield
Kightly
Darikwa
Flanno
K.Long
C. Long (loan)
Agyei (loan)
O'Neill (loan)
Anderson (loan)
Ulvestad
Pope (loan)

Ins:
Chambers
Jagielka
Robertson
Rodriguez
Ruddy
Traore
Ryan Sessengnon
Cairney

Your living in cloud cuckoo land if you think any of those would come to turf

TomtheClaret · Post by **TomtheClaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:38 pm

Arfield is going according to his brother on face book. Newcastle Or Celtic.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:41 pm

mdd2 wrote:And what is this season's profit precisely?
We will have commited about half of the £100mill on transfer and agent fees.
Can't see there will be much left after wages NI and payments to IR

Royboy analysed the accounts and said we should be looking at 50m profits. So I'll base it on that as he's clearly more knowledgeable than me as far as accounts are concerned.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:43 pm

We are in a catch 22 situation. We can't really get rid of anyone before we sign their replacement. As most of our signings are done or deadline day it leaves very little time to put anyone in the shop window.
We all know that some positions need strengthening, but to let players go, and then find we get gazumped on the replacement would leave us in the ****.

I'm glad it's not my job.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:44 pm

Some of you need a reality check......there is absolutely no way we will be bringing in that number of olayers and certainly not at those prices. . This is Burnley for God 's sake

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:58 pm

This is the way I see it, not want it, see it kicking off next season:

...............................Heaton.....................................

Lowton..............Mee..............Tarks..............Ward..

JBG.............Hendrick.............Westwood....Brady...

...................................Vokes..................................

.....Someone new, hopefully someone really good..

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:59 pm

Rather than talking in specifics, which is a crystal ball game none of us can win, I'd tend to talk in general terms at this stage.

First thing to say is that at the minute, the squad does carry some deadwood. There are players, like Long(s) and presumably Ulvestad, who aren't near to becoming first team regulars and I think the time has probably come for them to go. I'd like to see those squad places freed up.

Secondly, one thing this squad is really light on, especially if Arfield and Flanagan both depart, is players who are flexible. I can't really think of anyone apart from possibly Tarkowski and Barnes who can really operate in more than one position, even across midfield. One thing we could really do with this summer is a couple of flexible, if uninspiring signings who can give the squad some real ballast. I've mentioned David Meyler before as that sort of player - can cover right back, centre back as well as being primarily a central midfielder - and I think we could do with a couple of players in that ilk.

Thirdly, whilst we will certainly have plenty of money to spend this summer, especially if we realise north of 50 million in transfer fees as seems likely, not every player we sign will be a marquee player. We will need to mix and match and box clever. With the possible exception of a striker (they're hardest to find, particularly if we're looking for a partner for Gray) we should be saving our bigger money for players under the age of 25 who have real resale value. Clucas is just about at the top of my wish list and he ticks this box. Robertson might be another and we might be looking for another marquee winger. But we're going to need to wrap some steady heads around this - a Meyler, a Craig Gardner, a Jon Walters etc. Our money simply won't go far enough for us to do differently.

Finally, I think we have two crucial decisions to make to start the summer. The first is whether Gray is realistically going to re-sign. If not, we need to plan to replace him, and that will mean focussing on particular types of forwards who don't come cheap. Secondly, we need to decide if Tarkowski is good enough to replace Keane after his recent slightly dodgy audition. If we're backing him, then we can look for another Keane at centre half - someone with the raw physical attributes to perhaps play there and right back, who can really push Tarks from the start but who isn't necessarily coming in with the expectation of being first choice (say, Liam Moore). If we're not, I suspect we're looking for a proper first choice specialist centre back. Getting that spine right again is the core thing we have to do this summer.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:05 pm

I'd sign Aiden McGeady tomorrow personally, what's your thoughts on him spice, squad player you know?

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:40 pm

Going:
Keane( £25m+), Boyd (Free), Arfield(£1-3m), Defour (£5m+), Flannagan (End Of Loan),
Barton (Released), Hennings(£1m), Ulvestad (500k), C.Long (750k). = £35m+
Possibly leaving:
Barnes, Darikwa, Gray

Staying: GK: Heaton Pope (Robinson) Mitchell
RB: Lowton (Darikwa)
CB: Mee Tarkowski K.Long Anderson*
LB: Ward
CM: Hendrick Westwood O'Neill* [Marney]
LM/RM: Brady JBG Ginelley*
ST: Vokes (Gray Barnes) Agyei*

*Loaned Out
[] Long term Injury
() Could go

We could need:
1 RB: Iorfa, Odubajo, *Emmanuel* (£1-8m)
1 CB: *Maguire*, Gomez, Webster, Roberts, Sviatchenko, Simunovic, Lees, Davies (£3-15m)
1 LB: Robertson, Taylor, *Tierney*, Keita, Amavi, Garbutt, Obita (£3-12m)
2 CM: Mooy, Cairney, *Gosling*, *Hughes*, Johansen, Howson, Gunnarson, look abroad (£10-17m for 2)
2 RM/LM: *Cairney*? Jota, *Clucas*, Roberts, Osborn, Graham, Kent, look abroad (£7-17m for 2)
1+ ST: Assombalonga, Vibe, Abraham, Forestieri, *Lawrence*, Sebastien Haller, *Maximilian Philipp*, Steve Mounié O.Watkins (£3-15m)
Total spend: £26m to £84m

** My Pick
A busy summer ahead no doubt

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Thu May 25, 2017 5:25 pm

this from the Mail:

'...David Moyes had lined up a number of targets prior to leaving on Monday with Burnley's Canadian international Scott Arfield and Chelsea midfielder Isaiah Brown among those discussed....'

KippaxFifaHD · Post by **KippaxFifaHD** » Thu May 25, 2017 7:58 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:He has all the other attributes though and is technically better.

*slips on a drain*

KippaxFifaHD · Post by **KippaxFifaHD** » Thu May 25, 2017 8:04 pm

LEAVING:
Keane
Defour
Boyd
Heaton?
Arfield?
Ulvestad
Hennings

SHOPPING LIST:
1 Goalkeeper
2 Centre Backs
1 Left Back
2 Centre Midfielders
2 Wingers (Quick + Direct)
2 Strikers (Ings like)

I have a feeling we may struggle next season if we don't build our squad more this summer