Incident in London

[Bin Ont Turf]

so people have this notion of sorting out terrorism without combat...how?

White handkerchiefs and sandals.

[Pimlico_Claret]

Plenty of mosques now "in our Lancashire homes". Anyone heard loud condemnation of recent events coming out over the loudspeakers ? Me neither.

[Jenna]

White handkerchiefs and sandals.

Are those the only two options?

[Bin Ont Turf]

Are those the only two options?

No, there's hugging and hoping that it goes away.

[Pimlico_Claret]

The honest,decent,law abiding majority of Muslims in our community will help to stop this increasingly racist and Islamaphobic atmosphere when they start to speak out . Here they come, .................................................

[Pimlico_Claret]

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[Greenmile]

so people have this notion of sorting out terrorism without combat...how?

No idea. How do you sort it out with combat?

[Winstonswhite]

What have you been watching? They've been on all day?

[Jenna]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/a ... 56406.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1 ... or-attack/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/musli ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield ... -1-8577299" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/ ... -in-london" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/ ... donattacks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[aggi]

How exactly do you want this to happen? Muslim Brotherhood, they've condemned the attacks, Muslim Council of Great Britain, they've condemned them too. The mosques and the "community", they repeatedly reported the Manchester bomber to the authorities.

It's a weird and meaningless soundbite that seems to have caught on without any consideration of what it means.

[Pimlico_Claret]

In Burnley?Blackburn?Nelson? Outside their mosques criticising their fellow Islamists, really Winston?,I must have missed it,please enlighten me

[Dazzler]

No idea. How do you sort it out with combat?

I shall rephrase my statement to how I meant to have phrased it:

people have this notion of sorting out terrorism without the need for appeasement...how?

[Greenmile]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/a ... 56406.html

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1 ... or-attack/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/musli ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield ... -1-8577299" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/ ... -in-london" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/ ... donattacks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You beat me to it. Does Pimlico Claret expect a delegation of Muslims to come knocking at his door to speak out against terrorism? I'm not sure s/he would answer it even if they did.

[thatdberight]

The mosques and the "community", they repeatedly reported the Manchester bomber to the authorities.

It's not clear, despite the claims, that they did.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ter-police" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Greenmile]

I shall rephrase my statement to how I meant to have phrased it:

people have this notion of sorting out terrorism without the need for appeasement...how?

I think you're trying to be sarcastic here, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, and you haven't answered my question.

[Winstonswhite]

On tv in London where the incident happened. All day.

Did North West tonight come live from the Irish Centres across Lancashire with landlords making apologies back in the 70/80/90's?

[nil_desperandum]

To 'combat' terrorism without combat would mean some kind of appeasement.

You mean like we did with the Suffragettes, like happened in South Africa, like what happened in Ireland, and in many other examples.
In fact, I'm struggling to think of an example where terrorists have been defeated in combat.
I don't have the answer, but the Indonesians seem to be tackling it quite well.

[Dazzler]

Their hollow condemnations do not wash with me.

[Jenna]

The honest,decent,law abiding majority of Muslims in our community will help to stop this increasingly racist and Islamaphobic atmosphere when they start to speak out . Here they come, .................................................

I don't know if you've seen this website, but it might give you some of what you are looking for: https://muslimscondemn.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Spiral]

Their hollow condemnations do not wash with me.

Why f.ucking well ask them to condemn it, then, if it doesn't wash with you?

[Pimlico_Claret]

I would happily answer it, maybe in the same way as the car load of young Asian lads drove through Skipton this afternoon waving a huge black baseball bat out of the window aiming at pedestrians.Very helpful that

[Bin Ont Turf]

I don't have the answer, but the Indonesians seem to be tackling it quite well.

By committing genocide?

[Greenmile]

I would happily answer it, maybe in the same way as the car load of young Asian lads drove through Skipton this afternoon waving a huge black baseball bat out of the window aiming at pedestrians.Very helpful that

So you want the moderate Muslims to speak out against terror, but you ignore it when they do so in the media, and if they came round to your house to do so, you'd answer the door with a baseball bat.

Ever considered that you might be more a part of the problem than the solution?

[nil_desperandum]

By committing genocide?

Recently?

[ClaretMoffitt]

I would happily answer it, maybe in the same way as the car load of young Asian lads drove through Skipton this afternoon waving a huge black baseball bat out of the window aiming at pedestrians.Very helpful that

Good to see the more middle class areas like Skipton are getting a share of the cultural enrichment we enjoy too.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Recently?

No I was just being a bit silly. Although it was recent enough that my Timorese mate and his family are living in Burnley and not a tropical paradise.

I really don't think we can look at a country who has more than a 90% Muslim population as a leading light in tackling this though.

[Pimlico_Claret]

ClaretMoffitt ,precisely,lovely to see their sympathy. I would imagine the majority of Muslim sympathisers on this board live in the same areas as the people they are so extremely quick to defend.

[Greenmile]

Good to see the more middle class areas like Skipton are getting a share of the cultural enrichment we enjoy too.

But on another thread, you say...

This isn't about colour and you know it, you might wish it was then you could simply brand everyone racist but it isn't.

So in what possible way is anything that "a car load of young Asian lads" were doing relevant to this discussion about Islam and terrorism?

[tim_noone]

No idea. How do you sort it out with combat?

Jaw jaw ....

[ClaretMoffitt]

But on another thread, you say...



So in what possible way is what "a car load of young Asian lads" were doing relevant to this discussion about Islam and terrorism?

It isn't about colour, but it's no surprise that stuff like that gas always happened more over Ramadan when all the Muslim lads are ****** off at having to fast so they take it out on all the kuffar around them who are eating, drinking and enjoying themselves. It's nothing new and anyone who has lived round Duke bar, stoneholme and Brierfield will tell you that.

[Greenmile]

It isn't about colour, but it's no surprise that stuff like that gas always happened more over Ramadan when all the Muslim lads are ****** off at having to fast so they take it out on all the kuffar around them who are eating, drinking and enjoying themselves. It's nothing new and anyone who has lived round Duke bar, stoneholme and Brierfield will tell you that.

What makes you think the lads in question were Muslim, if it's not about colour / ethnicity?

And you'll forgive me if I don't set too much store by your knowledge of a place you and your parents moved out when you were 7.

[Pimlico_Claret]

So you want the moderate Muslims to speak out against terror, but you ignore it when they do so in the media, and if they came round to your house to do so, you'd answer the door with a baseball bat.

Ever considered that you might be more a part of the problem than the solution?

Yes Greenmile,I'm definitely part of the problem,sitting watching the Tribute concert on TV instead of being out on the streets killing totally innocent people,what a big part of the problem I am, you P**ck

[Greenmile]

Yes Greenmile,I'm definitely part of the problem,sitting watching the Tribute concert on TV instead of being out on the streets killing totally innocent people,what a big part of the problem I am, you P**ck

I never suggested you were a big part of the problem, but Islamophobia helps to radicalise (a tiny proportion of) moderate Muslims. I don't know how many more times this needs pointing out.

[Dazzler]

You mean like we did with the Suffragettes, like happened in South Africa, like what happened in Ireland, and in many other examples.

I suspect Islamic terrorists will demand an awful lot more than the above examples.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I never suggested you were a big part of the problem, but Islamophobia helps to radicalise (a tiny proportion of) moderate Muslims. I don't know how many more times this needs pointing out.

So just so we are clear here...

Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, however we should not be islamophobic or critical of Islam, or it might make some of its followers become terrorists. I'm right, yeah?

[Dazzler]

I'm critical of religion full stop.
Why should Islam be excused ?

[Greenmile]

So just so we are clear here...

Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, however we should not be islamophobic or critical of Islam, or it might make some of its followers become terrorists. I'm right, yeah?

Pretty much, yes. "Muslim" (or "Asian") does not equal "terrorist", but marginalising and hating on a large group of people for their religious beliefs is more likely to make some of them hate us as a society.

The only strawman in your sarcastic post is the idea that anyone is claiming "Islam has nothing to do with terrorism". Of course it does, in the same way that Christianity has something to do with homophobia, for example.

Edit - how about you lose the sarcasm and explain to me how Islamophobia doesn't help recruit people to Daesh's cause?

[Greenmile]

I'm critical of religion full stop.
Why should Islam be excused ?

This is a totally reasonable position to take, but I can't find any of your posts criticising Hinduism, Sikhism, Judaism, Christianity or Buddism, or even coming close to suggesting that their followers should be interned without trial.

[Dazzler]

This is a totally reasonable position to take, but I can't find any of your posts criticising Hinduism, Sikhism, Judaism, Christianity or Buddism, or even coming close to suggesting that their followers should be interned without trial.

Where have I suggested that anyone should be interned without trial?

[Greenmile]

Where have I suggested that anyone should be interned without trial?

I may well have mixed you up with someone else espousing similar views. Apologies if so.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Edit - how about you lose the sarcasm and explain to me how Islamophobia doesn't help recruit people to Daesh's cause?

I never said it didn't.

In fairness though pandering and throwing government money into their communities has not helped either. In fact it seems to have only accelerated the process.

[Greenmile]

I never said it didn't.

In fairness though pandering and throwing government money into their communities has not helped either. In fact it seems to have only accelerated the process.

So you agree that Islamophobia helps do the terrorists' work for them by radicalising moderates. That's a start.

I'm not sure about the process "accelerating" though. I'm sure this link has been put up on here before, but here it is again for you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03 ... an-almost/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can agree that what we're doing isn't working (I would suggest that the Tories' austerity policy is partly to blame) but what many on here seem to be suggesting is the equivalent of a doctor prescribing a course of anthrax because the antibiotics aren't working.

[ClaretMoffitt]

So you agree that Islamophobia helps do the terrorists' work for them by radicalising moderates. That's a start.

I'm not sure about the process "accelerating" though. I'm sure this link has been put up on here before, but here it is again for you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03 ... an-almost/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can agree that what we're doing isn't working (I would suggest that the Tories' austerity policy is partly to blame) but what many on here seem to be suggesting is the equivalent of a doctor prescribing a course of anthrax because the antibiotics aren't working.

Thing is that article was written over a year ago. On most subjects I'd say sure, that's fine, a year isn't a long time. However on this one way too much has happened in Europe over the last 12 months, especially here to consider its conclusion valid.

Labour pumped money into these communities too, some of which is widely suspected to have been used to directly fund extremist groups. So we taxpayers have quite literally funded their growth. It continued under the tories too but to blame austerity is insane.

This problem may not require anthrax, but it definitely requires quarantine.

[nil_desperandum]

No I was just being a bit silly. Although it was recent enough that my Timorese mate and his family are living in Burnley and not a tropical paradise.

I really don't think we can look at a country who has more than a 90% Muslim population as a leading light in tackling this though.

Hi BOT,
I'm glad we cleared that up, and you obviously know a bit about this, but I think it has to be understood that having a 90% muslim population does not make you immune from Islamic terror, (ISIS, Daesh or whatever). Don't forget that Syria is 70% muslim.
Indonesia has had more than its fair share of terrorist problems, but by all accounts they are getting on top of it.

[Greenmile]

Thing is that article was written over a year ago...

The graph goes back to 1970, though and, as far as I'm aware there hasn't been any incident with as many fatalities since Paris, which is included

This problem may not require anthrax, but it definitely requires quarantine.

That doesn't work with my analogy. If by "quarantine" you mean locking up innocent Muslims the that's the same as the "anthrax" in my version - ie it will make the problem immeasurably worse.

[claretandy]

This is so true.

[Bordeauxclaret]

What are you doing to stop the next one Andy?

[Greenmile]

What are you doing to stop the next one Andy?

As everyone knows, hateful memes are far more practical than sad / sympathetic / symbolic ones.

[claretandy]

What are you doing to stop the next one Andy?

Not voting for the terrorist supporting surrender monkey Corbyn for a kickoff.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

That should show them.