Bidding war for £25m-rated Michael Keane

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon May 22, 2017 11:15 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Jones is a better player than Smalling, but his injury record is appalling.

I like it, lancasterclaret!
Can you do some more football associated rhyming couplets, Shakespeare-like?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon May 22, 2017 11:16 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I didn't think the centre halves did bad at all yesterday watching at home.

I agree. You don't always know the finer details but Tarks gave Vokes a real blasting when we conceded the first so Sam obviously hasn't done something he should have there.

The second I thought started With Arfield being dispossessed far too easily when he could have played one of two regulation passes to either Hendrick or Ward.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Mon May 22, 2017 1:58 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Keane was crap yesterday, I didn't see him make a single tackle.

That's harsh, I didn't think he put a foot wrong

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:01 pm

If he was worth £15m last season, he has proved himself this season and with caps to prove it. At least double should be required, knowing that we lose 25%.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:51 pm

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superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue May 23, 2017 11:53 pm

He will love to go back there, I don't think anyone could refuse to play for their own team. But is it really better than getting game time elsewhere?

Dejavu · Post by **Dejavu** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:31 am

£25M and Luke Shaw. I'd be happy with that and Mourinho clearly doesn't rate him.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed May 24, 2017 2:16 am

Luke shaw is on 90K a week

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 24, 2017 2:17 am

It's Luke Shaw one of those players that if he was a horse he'd have been shot already?

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Wed May 24, 2017 12:19 pm

I think the best we could hope for with Luke Shaw is a season long Flanaganesk loan deal. Not judging the merits of this either way.
Do agree though that Keane is more likely to land up back at Man Utd than anywhere else. If they can release Pogba for peanuts then buy him back £80 million (or whatever it was) then paying £25 million for Keane won't phase them.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Wed May 24, 2017 2:04 pm

We dont need to sell him so as long as he is happy to play for us (more chance of regular starting place with us ) he would be more likely to keep his options open for England squad.
We can then see how things go next season if we stay up again he may chose to stay, if he doesn't and we stay up we would be in a better position to add to the squad with 2 seasons under our belt. If not we would not be worrying about players on big wages.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed May 24, 2017 5:32 pm

If there is any way we can keep him for one more season (if he doesn't spit his dummy out at not getting a move) I think we should try and keep him for at least next season. I doubt he'd be guaranteed a start at any big clubs? Another 100-110m or £25m, take your pick!

The last 3 games without him and Mee we have conceeded 6 goals, doesn't really bode well for next season and can we actually replace him? Long is not the answer and it increasingly looks like Tarkowski isn't either (even though I rate him as a footballer). Tarkowski to me looks more at home as a defensive midfielder where his lack of pace isn't exposed.

Just shows how immense Mee and Keane have been this season the way we have controlled matches from the back.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed May 24, 2017 5:36 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:If there is any way we can keep him for one more season (if he doesn't spit his dummy out at not getting a move) I think we should try and keep him for at least next season. I doubt he'd be guaranteed a start at any big clubs? Another 100-110m or £25m, take your pick!

The last 3 games without him and Mee we have conceeded 6 goals, doesn't really bode well for next season and can we actually replace him? Long is not the answer and it increasingly looks like Tarkowski isn't either (even though I rate him as a footballer). Tarkowski to me looks more at home as a defensive midfielder where his lack of pace isn't exposed.

Just shows how immense Mee and Keane have been this season the way we have controlled matches from the back.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed May 24, 2017 5:37 pm

You've said virtually to the word what I was going to put

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed May 24, 2017 5:41 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:You've said virtually to the word what I was going to put

Cheers man Dyche knows this too, center backs as good as Keane are very much worth at least £50m

No point selling for half price when you can't replace them

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed May 24, 2017 5:43 pm

Have Man U got anymore world beaters they want to sell us for £2m he he

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:07 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:I think we should try and keep him for at least next season. I doubt he'd be guaranteed a start at any big clubs? Another 100-110m or £25m, take your pick!

You're assuming that with Keane, staying up is a certainty; without him, relegation is sure? If we keep Keane, we lose Tarkowski, almost certainly; and I reckon that while Tarkowski and Long may not look like Premier players, Tarkowski and Mee would.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:30 pm

dsr wrote:You're assuming that with Keane, staying up is a certainty; without him, relegation is sure? If we keep Keane, we lose Tarkowski, almost certainly; and I reckon that while Tarkowski and Long may not look like Premier players, Tarkowski and Mee would.

I think we would have a very good chance of staying up should we keep Keane and Mee together but nothing is certain.

We might need to try and find a system where Tarkowski can play also I don't know....

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:41 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Have Man U got anymore world beaters they want to sell us for £2m he he

Joking aside...I wouldn't be surprised to see a promising player come from Utd as part of any deal.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:58 pm

If any clubs that had very promising young defenders that need to go to a finishing school such as ours it would be Man City and Liverpool because neither of them do defending in house

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed May 24, 2017 7:08 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:Cheers man Dyche knows this too, center backs as good as Keane are very much worth at least £50m

No point selling for half price when you can't replace them

an excellent point, and the other half of the equation - on balance do we derive more from keeping him, though we would lose the gamble of selling in January as he could simply let his contract wind down, so it's a quantified gamble

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed May 24, 2017 7:41 pm

NRC wrote:an excellent point, and the other half of the equation - on balance do we derive more from keeping him, though we would lose the gamble of selling in January as he could simply let his contract wind down, so it's a quantified gamble

Its always false economy selling your best players, just look at Leicester with Kante, player power has an influence to be fair but the grass isn't always greener.

He's in the England team and playing every week with us, whats not to like apart from a crazy astronomical wage...footballers aren't exactly poor are they?

Could end up like Trippier on the bench for close to two years (at a big club) before starting regularly again.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun May 28, 2017 7:13 pm

On his holidays in Dubai with Jesse Lingard ! Decent at keepy uppies too !
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... m-10519175

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun May 28, 2017 9:16 pm

doesn't look injured there though does he

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun May 28, 2017 9:17 pm

Done deal. Keane is going to United. Keane would have prefered Liverpool,has he would have liked to play under Klopp. He thought he was badly treated last time he played for united.

At the end of the day money talks and Liverpool cannot compete with United financially

I heard this today from a very good source close

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun May 28, 2017 10:35 pm

Maybe your mate made it up!

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sun May 28, 2017 10:55 pm

The more I think about it the more I'm coming to the view that
25m is a good price for the buying club especially if it's United as they get a 20% payback - 5m in fact.
So they'd be paying 20m.
To say Keane is amongst the best, if not the best young English centre-half in the country;
looks as if he could also establish himself at International level: is young and will more than likely
improve with more experience at the top level; can also score you the odd important goal;
already has a season or so of experience playing at Premiership level and therefore ready to start.
Plus some other attributes you'd expect of a good centre-half.

All in all 25m sounds pretty cheap to me.
Most teams interested in him regularly spend that on one player
and in some cases seem happy to pay 2-3 times that amount for other players.

We should hold out for at least 30m and more if it's United.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon May 29, 2017 1:16 am

25million + Andreas Pereira on loan would do

steve1264b · Post by **steve1264b** » Mon May 29, 2017 8:10 am

If we are going to clear £20 million i would rather keep him and let him walk out for free. Sadly £20 million is nothing in the bigger financial picture.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:02 am

Bookies suspending bets on central defender Virgil van Dijk's joining Liverpool.

Player keen to move, £50million rated.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40164572" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unlikely they'd splash another £25m on a DC.

hbuzzard · Post by **hbuzzard** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:25 pm

Liverpool have now ended their interest in van Dijk.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:26 pm

If he's worth 25 mil now, what's he going to be worth in January? At least twice that, if he's still healthy. Besides, Mr. Garlick has already said that he's willing to wait until his contract runs out, just like he did with Danny Ings. I'd like to see a back 4 of Mee, Keane, Ward, and Tarkowski next year. Mee has experience as a left-back, so maybe he could shift sides. I don't know. It's worth trying though, I think.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:29 pm

ontario claret wrote:If he's worth 25 mil now, what's he going to be worth in January? At least twice that, if he's still healthy. Besides, Mr. Garlick has already said that he's willing to wait until his contract runs out, just like he did with Danny Ings. I'd like to see a back 4 of Mee, Keane, Ward, and Tarkowski next year. Mee has experience as a left-back, so maybe he could shift sides. I don't know. It's worth trying though, I think.

I hope that's not a serious suggestion!!

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:51 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:I hope that's not a serious suggestion!!

Running his contract down or the back 4!?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:02 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Running his contract down or the back 4!?

Both, but more so the idea of Ben Mee as a right back.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:15 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Running his contract down or the back 4!?

No probs with keeping him if we only get £20m, Ben Mee at right back?? He's a left footed player who is MUCH better at centre half than he is at left back so why would he be better than Lowton at right back??

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:24 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Bookies suspending bets on central defender Virgil van Dijk's joining Liverpool.

Player keen to move, £50million rated.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40164572" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unlikely they'd splash another £25m on a DC.

Liverpool won't get him, they don't pay the wages. He is way out of their league

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:30 pm

I would not want to see Ben Mee in any other position than in a middle two of a back four, he's been outstanding at times there this last season. Left full back only if its forced upon on us within the game.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:25 pm

40k plus Rooney

Or 35k without

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:36 pm

ontario claret wrote:If he's worth 25 mil now, what's he going to be worth in January? At least twice that, if he's still healthy. Besides, Mr. Garlick has already said that he's willing to wait until his contract runs out, just like he did with Danny Ings. I'd like to see a back 4 of Mee, Keane, Ward, and Tarkowski next year. Mee has experience as a left-back, so maybe he could shift sides. I don't know. It's worth trying though, I think.

He will be worth very little in January and worth nothing in a year's time. That doesn't mean we will sell him this window but we will have to potentially balance out getting a fee for him or keeping him in the hope that would keep us up for another year.

As for Ben Mee at right back - can't think of anything to say about that. Also not sure why anyone would want to leave out Lowton given the way he's played or why anyone would be so keen to have Tarkowski in after his poor performances at end of season.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:06 pm

What's 25m minus 25%?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:11 pm

Saxoman wrote:What's 25m minus 25%?

More than your club will turnover in the next two or three years.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:11 pm

If Keane helps us stay up again next season then obviously worth more to us than selling him. Suppose the issue maybe if he demands a move over the summer.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:31 pm

Is Van Dijk really twice as good a player in monetary terms as Michael Keane?
As an aside I would like to say that Van Dijk had possibly the best game by an opposing defender at the Turf last season, but if he is worth £50 million then Keane is easily £35 million. Just because we are little old Burnley does not mean we should undersell Keane.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:32 pm

Good point Braindead. Also puzzled at why Keane is always rated at '25 million'. Also add in how much Stones went for to City.

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:34 pm

Van Dijk also has about 5 years left on his deal

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:36 pm

With the pound dropping through the floor better make sure we get paid in US Dollars or Euros.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:21 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:If Keane helps us stay up again next season then obviously worth more to us than selling him. Suppose the issue maybe if he demands a move over the summer.

If one of the big clubs are seriously interested he will probably be going.
If no club puts in a bid where would Kean demand a move to?

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:51 pm

Manchester United have called off a deal for Burnley ace Michael Keane as the Red Devils close in on a £35million switch for Benfica ace Victor Lindelof.
Keane, 24, has 12 months to run on his deal at Turf Moor and had been keen on returning to Old Trafford after leaving the club in 2014.

Man Utd to seal £35m transfer on Wednesday as new signing agrees huge contract
Jose Mourinho had shown interest in the England international and United were confident they could see off competition from Liverpool and Chelsea for the defender. However, the Red Devils are expected to announce a deal for Sweden defender Lindelof this week and Mourinho is content with the options he will have with Phil Jones and Chris Smalling providing cover behind Eric Bailly.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:54 pm

Keane is only rated at £25m because he has 1 year left. So the comparison to Stones is mental as he had a lot longer. It's a pretty bloody simple concept that some people struggle to grasp.