Huddersfield and Burnley

[DCWat]

This summer could be an interesting one, comparing and contrasting transfer dealing between ourselves and Huddersfield. Similar sized clubs in many respects, although Huddersfield itself is a far more populous town than Burnley.

Of course links mean nothing at the end of the day, but it's interesting to see how many players they are being linked with and that they appear to be starting their business very early (perhaps the Mooy signing, assuming it gets finalised, was an easy one, him playing there last season).

I'd hope that we are able to attract the better players of the two, with an extra year under our belts, and might have a little more clout, but it will be interesting to compare our summer dealings come the end of August.

[claretdom]

It is almost like a mirror image of us and Boro last season.

They made early signings - they are ahead of us

They were linked with loads - we had no ambition

They were spending big fees early - we aren't prepared to pay it

They have almost guaranteed staying up with the players they are signing - we will go down

[Goobs]

I would expect our signings to appear underwhelming in comparison to others if you go off name / reputations alone, but as was proved last season with where us and Boro ended up, it is about building a team of committed players to form a strong team, not about signing players living off the glories of former teammates or those looking for one last pay day who have lost a bit of the desire to care about results.

[ThinLizzy]

It is almost like a mirror image of us and Boro last season.

They made early signings - they are ahead of us

They were linked with loads - we had no ambition

They were spending big fees early - we aren't prepared to pay it

They have almost guaranteed staying up with the players they are signing - we will go down

Quite! They do seem to be splashing the cash, but at least it's largely on players they think can do a job. Not just throwing money at players like Boro. Negredo? Hardly had a great time prior to.
I'd quite like us to have a look at their Danish player Phil Billing. Looks one for the future. Give them Scotty Arfield back in part-ex

[Spijed]

This summer could be an interesting one, comparing and contrasting transfer dealing between ourselves and Huddersfield. Similar sized clubs in many respects, although Huddersfield itself is a far more populous town than Burnley.

Of course links mean nothing at the end of the day, but it's interesting to see how many players they are being linked with and that they appear to be starting their business very early (perhaps the Mooy signing, assuming it gets finalised, was an easy one, him playing there last season).

I'd hope that we are able to attract the better players of the two, with an extra year under our belts, and might have a little more clout, but it will be interesting to compare our summer dealings come the end of August.

A sly dig at our directors?

[Holtyclaret]

Technically next season is our fourth in the PL and their first. I'd say they are in an equivalent position to our second promotion. I'd expect them to sign more players than us as they are starting from scratch and we should just be topping up our squad/replacing players that leave.

It'll be interesting if they go boom or bust or follow our successful model of slowly slowly catchy monkey.

[Dyched]

They may want to get the players in early and have a proper preseason with their new teammates. Rather than **** around in the last few days and have the players take until January to settle in.

[ThinLizzy]

I am sure I read somewhere that Huddersfield had paid a keen interest in the Burnley model. So I'd think they're somewhere inbetween spending it all or going slowly slowly and hoping for the best. They've signed a player they already had and want to sign a hit and miss winger from Derby. Middlesbrough at this stage last season were bringing in Danish internationals, Spanish big names and generally throwing money around like confetti!

[Guich]

Huddersfield are where we were in 2009, albeit with a much better manager

[ElectroClaret]

146,234 lived in Huddersfield according to the last census.
Although 216,000 live in the wider South Kirklees area.

So quite a bit bigger than Burnley. (73,000)

[ThinLizzy]

146,234 lived in Huddersfield according to the last census.
Although 216,000 live in the wider South Kirklees area.

So quite a bit bigger than Burnley. (73,000)

Aren't these figures a bit skewed though? Burnley's catchment area is pretty consistent and leaks as far east as Bradford (Hebden Bridge, Toddy eastwards) etcetera. It's not just the Burnley boundaries though. I know people who support Burnley just because they saw us in a magazine in the 70's and liked the colour. I'm not from Burnley, I know many who aren't. Football is more global I know but to suggest our catchment area is just 73,000 is naive.

[TheFamilyCat]

It'll be interesting to see what they do if they are struggling: accept they are likely to be relegated and put faith in Wagner to get them back up or get rid to try to stay up.

I also wonder what Wagner's ambitions are; will he be happy with a relegation on his CV as long as he can follow it up with another promotion, then hopefully survival? Is he looking to build a future there, like SD is here or is he just trying to get up the managerial ladder?

[RocketLawnChair]

Mooy as effectively just extended his stay there and its cost them a few quid. Once they were promoted it was a guarantee he would stay.

I think in comparison to us due to the fact they had so many on loan players last season they will be busier than us in the market. I do think they will make better use of the loan market than us, Dyche doesn't seem to trust loan players, I often wonder why we have bothered with them. I think we will do our usual, target a specific position that Dyche wants to strengthen and it will take as long as it takes.

Then I think once its all underway we will finish above them.

[ElectroClaret]

No one mentioned or suggested catchment areas, ThinLizzy. Of course our support comes from much wider areas.

The figures I've given are the populations of the towns. Which is what DCwats post #1 was saying.

[Lord Beamish]

I'm not too worried about Huddersfield this year. I think they will finish rock bottom. Them getting promoted is a great achievement for them, but just look at their record in doing so.
They lost 15 matches last season and had a minus goal difference. Compare that to us 12 months ago; Champions by 4 points, a healthy GD, and a 23 Match Unbeaten Run in the last half of the season.
Make no mistake, Huddersfield will really struggle to anything other than finish firmly in the bottom three.

[ThinLizzy]

I'm not too worried about Huddersfield this year. I think they will finish rock bottom. Them getting promoted is a great achievement for them, but just look at their record in doing so.
They lost 15 matches last season and had a minus goal difference. Compare that to us 12 months ago; Champions by 4 points, a healthy GD, and a 23 Match Unbeaten Run in the last half of the season.
Make no mistake, Huddersfield will really struggle to anything other than finish firmly in the bottom three.

I think all three will struggle to be honest. Did you see the number of games Newcastle lost last season? That could go either way. I have to pin my hopes to Huddersfield. Proper club when all told. Newcastle fans, well just remind me of Leeds fans and the less said about Brighton the better!

[Bin Ont Turf]

[quote="ThinLizzy" Proper club when all told. [/quote]


Care to define 'proper club'?

[ThinLizzy]

[quote="ThinLizzy" Proper club when all told.

Care to define 'proper club'?[/quote]

Quite surprised you ask that. I'd like to think a club that has a history and is refined about it (Huddersfield) has done well within their means (Burnley) sustained the turmoil (Everton), retains it's beliefs and works within it's means (ok not so much Everton on that one). Proper clubs would be us, Huddersfield, Leyton Orient, Sunderland to an extent in that they dropped to division 4. 'Not Proper Clubs' would include Liverpool (I live here, I know just EXACTLY they are in serious crap still), Chelsea, Blackburn, Bournemouth etc. Look. Achieve success the right way, not the credit card clubs. Liverpool I expect as most people here are on the dole anyway.

[ThinLizzy]

Care to define 'proper club'?

Quite surprised you ask that. I'd like to think a club that has a history and is refined about it (Huddersfield) has done well within their means (Burnley) sustained the turmoil (Everton), retains it's beliefs and works within it's means (ok not so much Everton on that one). Proper clubs would be us, Huddersfield, Leyton Orient, Sunderland to an extent in that they dropped to division 4. 'Not Proper Clubs' would include Liverpool (I live here, I know just EXACTLY they are in serious crap still), Chelsea, Blackburn, Bournemouth etc. Look. Achieve success the right way, not the credit card clubs. Liverpool. Still in massive trouble![/quote]

[Woodleyclaret]

Huddersfield will be staight back down thats the similarity with us in 2009.
Population has got nothing to do with success .
Have Town got Norwegian and Bulgarian fans
We are becoming a global brand whatever you think of this.
Huddersfield and Brighton are part of the media circus that Sky love to hype.
Both teams lacked quality last year they were just the best of a poor bunch

[Bin Ont Turf]

We've had some Scandinavians coming t'Turf long before we joined the Money Circus.

[TheFamilyCat]

Care to define 'proper club'?

Quite surprised you ask that. I'd like to think a club that has a history and is refined about it (Huddersfield) has done well within their means (Burnley) sustained the turmoil (Everton), retains it's beliefs and works within it's means (ok not so much Everton on that one). Proper clubs would be us, Huddersfield, Leyton Orient, Sunderland to an extent in that they dropped to division 4. 'Not Proper Clubs' would include Liverpool (I live here, I know just EXACTLY they are in serious crap still), Chelsea, Blackburn, Bournemouth etc. Look. Achieve success the right way, not the credit card clubs. Liverpool I expect as most people here are on the dole anyway.[/quote]

I love daytime drinkers.

[Inchy]

With the money that is being thrown around these days, I think 10m is a bargain for Mooy.

He was their player of the season and made the team of the season. Not sure Hendrick had done either of them when we signed him for the same money.



I think they will sensibly spend. They wont spend more than 35m this season, which is sesible

[claretspice]

The interesting thing about Huddersfield is that, with no previous parachute windfall, they've jumped straight to paying a top earner £35k a week if reports about Mooy are to be believed. That's a very different starting point than we adopted in 2009 (even in relative terms) or indeed 3 years ago or even last year.

[Inchy]

2009 it was worth 60 million. Its now nearly double that. So in relative terms surely that's about right for the best player at a promoted club?

Lets say Fletcher was on 15k a week in 2009, if we had gone up now for the first time we would be looking at 30-35k

[DCWat]

A sly dig at our directors?

No definitely not, but I do think it will be interesting to compare a similar club to ourselves both in terms of signings / fees and how they get on with getting deals over the line (quickly or overall come the end of the window).

[Sidney1st]

Huddersfield are also bankrolled to a degree by their owner.

At the end of 2015 their debts totalled £42 million, which is mainly owed to their owner.

It doesn't really matter how they go about throwing their money around when he's there as a safety net if it goes wrong.

[quoonbeatz]

everton.

[DCWat]

Although reportedly wealthier than our Chairman, in Pl terms, Hoyle isn't loaded. A few wreckless seasons and he himself could be skint.

[Quickenthetempo]

Although reportedly wealthier than our Chairman, in Pl terms, Hoyle isn't loaded. A few wreckless seasons and he himself could be skint.

I haven't a clue what his business is but I reckon it might get a boost by inviting his clients to the big games they will have in the premier league this season.

[ClaretTony]

Huddersfield are where we were in 2009, albeit with a much better manager

Financially, Huddersfield are a million miles from where we were in 2009

[Inchy]

I would think about 60 million away, regardless of the owners money, who is rich but not premier league rich, he earned his fortune from starting and selling the Card Factory.

[Longtimeclaret]

Financially, Huddersfield are a million miles from where we were in 2009

Huddersfield are going down -the quality of their squad is and won't be anywhere near surviving in this league. Their Board and their manager don't have the nous to keep,them up
The turnover is bound to be a lot higher than ours in 2009 , but they won't get 30 points

[minnieclaret]

Huddersfield still only have a 24k capacity so similar to ourselves. Catchment area then becomes irrelevant apart from shirt sales.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I don't find anything remotely interesting about Huddersfield.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I once met a chap outside the Turf hotel who had 'Huddersfield Town FC' tattooed across the front of his neck.

We weren't even playing Huddersfield that day.

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[Vegas Claret]

There is nothing so far to suggest that both of us will do anything but be fighting a relegation battle, along with everyone other than last seasons top 10!

[Transpennine]

I haven't a clue what his business is but I reckon it might get a boost by inviting his clients to the big games they will have in the premier league this season.

Hoyle made his money from the 'card factory' chain of shops. Pretty sure he sold it for a significant profit about 4 years ago. Not sure what he's up to now...

He's a former cow shed regular and often meets fans in pubs at away games to buy them a drink. Sounds familiar.