More trouble in london

[Imploding Turtle]

Just explaining to you why people might think "liberals" first thought wasn't to be sorry it happened. It's quite possible that your first thought when you heard this was to be sorry at yet another senseless tragedy. But your first post wasn't.

And how is that different to my first posts in other threads regarding tragedies?

Question: What do you think is more likely, that at no time and for no tragedy is my first thought to feel sympathy for the victims, or that i simply don't post my worthless sympathies on an internet forum?

[Dom]

People did call for mass internment of anyone "suspected" of having some terrorist links, no matter how tenuous that link was, right wingers wanted thousands of people rounded up and locked away for an indefinite amount of time without trial or proper evidence.

In the same way we need to root out the cause of Extremist Islamic terrorism we need to root out the cause of Islamophobic based terrorism. Fighting fire with fire only leads to more ******* fire.

[Imploding Turtle]

The only privilege a person can be born with is wealth and status. That is the only factor that will influence a person's life better than those around them.

No matter how hard you try to push it, race, gender or sexual orientation does not grant you privilege.

If a gay, black woman is born a princess in Nigeria, she will live a life far beyond that of a straight white male born on stoops estate with far less restriction.

So let me guess, you're one of those who doesn't think white privilege exists. Right?

[Lancasterclaret]

Not in this country CM.

You've got the best start in life if you are white, male and straight in this country.

I agree that there are mitigating factors but

Whose got more chance?

A white, straight male on stoops?

Or a black, gay woman on stoops?

[dpinsussex]

is he to blame more than
The London Bride Killers.

Must have missed this one. Was she a looker ???

[Quickenthetempo]

How does this get labelled a terrorist attack?

Only going off the article in the first post so new info might be around but it's no way an attack or message to the government which is why they use the term terrorist. A racist attack maybe? Murder if the victim died of injuries caused by the van but he had already collapsed.

No doubt it's a sh**house thing to do. Questioning how it gets decided as a terrorist attack.

[LoveCurryPies]

How does this get labelled a terrorist attack?

Only going off the article in the first post so new info might be around but it's no way an attack or message to the government which is why they use the term terrorist. A racist attack maybe? Murder if the victim died of injuries caused by the van but he had already collapsed.

No doubt it's a sh**house thing to do. Questioning how it gets decided as a terrorist attack.

It is creating fear in the Muslim community. As much a terrorist incident as the London Bridge attacks.

[Imploding Turtle]

How does this get labelled a terrorist attack?

Only going off the article in the first post so new info might be around but it's no way an attack or message to the government which is why they use the term terrorist. A racist attack maybe? Murder if the victim died of injuries caused by the van but he had already collapsed.

No doubt it's a sh**house thing to do. Questioning how it gets decided as a terrorist attack.

What message to the government was the Manchester bomber sending?

[TheFamilyCat]

It's at times like these that I'm reminded of Norman Tebbits cricket test. England vs Pakistan at Lords, you are born and bred in this country, who are you supporting?

If you emigrated to Spain and had a son, who would want him to support when England play Spain at football?

[Guich]

Not in this country CM.

You've got the best start in life if you are white, male and straight in this country.

I agree that there are mitigating factors but

Whose got more chance?

A white, straight male on stoops?

Or a black, gay woman on stoops?

I'm not saying you're wrong Lancaster, but how does that explain how white males seem to be lagging behind most groups in terms of education/further education? Are they just genetically thick?

[claretandy]

What message to the government was the Manchester bomber sending?

[Tall Paul]

How does this get labelled a terrorist attack?

Only going off the article in the first post so new info might be around but it's no way an attack or message to the government which is why they use the term terrorist. A racist attack maybe? Murder if the victim died of injuries caused by the van but he had already collapsed.

No doubt it's a sh**house thing to do. Questioning how it gets decided as a terrorist attack.

[Tall Paul]

I suggest you look up the definition of terrorism I'm a dictionary.

If you're a dictionary, you could tell us the definition.

[Lancasterclaret]

Christ Guich, thats well, a whole shed load of a thread.

Peer pressure maybe? Parents didn't take school seriously so they don't?

Someone will certainly know a hell of a lot more than me about it!

[Guich]

Agreed Lancaster - it's a huge question. Just popped into my head then I went to see if there was any news on us signing Robertson...

[WestMidsClaret]

I suggest you look up the definition of terrorism I'm a dic

Corrected that for you.

[UpTheBeehole]

I suggest you look up the definition of terrorism I'm a dictionary.

Terrorism
NOUN

mass noun
The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Says https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/terrorism

Last night's attack was definitely terrorism

[joey13]

Yeah and your just a typical leftie *******. Haven't you got some demonstrations to go to against the white "British" male?

You can use any excuse you like... anti gay, females rights, anti Islam, racism, hell even being a successful person because you don't share it around.

Hypocrites the left is full of them.

Not sure why you are allowed to spout your bigotry on this site or any other , racism must be defeated

[bfcjg]

The grief and pain experienced by the people and relatives/friends last night will be as painful as that experienced in Manchester and London it shows that we all live on this island and share a hope that such acts like this will stop. The **** who did this will be widely condemned and if he attempts to say he did it for Christ, God, Hinduism etc it will be as repulsive to Christians, Jews Hindus etc as the psychos who claim to kill for Allah etc.
I have called for internment and I stick by it, round anybody up who is capable of these atrocities and let us all live in peace.

[ClaretMoffitt]

So let me guess, you're one of those who doesn't think white privilege exists. Right?

Not in this country or others like it. If we're talking about Russia, or Serbia then yeah, sure.

[Lancasterclaret]

Serbia?

the country that just elected its first gay pm?

[nil_desperandum]

The only privilege a person can be born with is wealth and status. That is the only factor that will influence a person's life better than those around them.

No matter how hard you try to push it, race, gender or sexual orientation does not grant you privilege.

If a gay, black woman is born a princess in Nigeria, she will live a life far beyond that of a straight white male born on stoops estate with far less restriction.

A rather unfortunate and lazy choice of comparison there.
Presumably you didn't do any research, otherwise you would know that this Princess of yours could be stoned to death for her sexuality, or get up to 14 years in gaol. Gay people are also banned from holding meetings or forming clubs in Nigeria.
Living on Stoops might not be a choice we would make, but it's one hell of a lot better than living in most of Africa.

[JohnMac]

I'm in the Met.

Response teams are running vastly below minimum, as officers are pulled to aid crime scenes, reassurance patrols, operations etc. The officers that have 'shifted out onto the street', as you put it, or already on the streets.

I've worked double shifts, and every shift I finish hours late. I'm not complaining, it's what I joined for. I don't have a break, I go from call to call, and get criticised from MOP why it's taken me so long to get there. My standard response is 'there just isn't enough of us'.

Upstairs in investigative roles, officers are juggling over 30 crimes. The Met as a whole are 800 detectives down.

I work in a London Borough where it's now the norm to parade 11-12 officers for a population of 250k. We aren't proactive anymore, simply because call volume is too high, and not enough of us to deal with 999 calls alone. I would suggest we need double the amount of officers on the street to be effective.

I think ordinary members of the public would be amazed at how little Police there are.

Respect for the job you are doing and like I say, not a dig.

From a staffing perspective I had the same issues for years when I was in the Army, especially telling when you can't physically man all your equipment.

I wanted to join the Police when I left in 1995 but having been successful in everything they simply stopped recruiting, just like that, the budget was cut.

Some of my info was from a mate in the job, I will ignore him from now on!

Keep up the good work and don't let the bastards grind you down.

[ClaretMoffitt]

A rather unfortunate and lazy choice of comparison there.
Presumably you didn't do any research, otherwise you would know that this Princess of yours could be stoned to death for her sexuality, or get up to 14 years in gaol. Gay people are also banned from holding meetings or forming clubs in Nigeria.
Living on Stoops might not be a choice we would make, but it's one hell of a lot better than living in most of Africa.

Correction that was supposed to be "from" not "in", I'm very aware of Nigerian views on homosexuality.

Also, I was born on and continue to live on cog Lane to this day. I know what it's like to grow up there, and I'm not comparing it to Africa... Hopefully my correction clears up the comparison.

[UpTheBeehole]

The wave that the murderous terrorist gives at the end of this video is sickening.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/vid ... park-video

He deserves everything coming to him in prison.

[iw1961]

I think I'll go all in

All white van drivers should be in camps, or at the very least have to wear some sort of identification device (like a yellow star) so we all know where they are at all times.

Its the only way to be sure.

Whilst I am sure that you thought your sarcasm/irony or wit, call it what you will, would be quite amusing. For some of us with personal reasons that is highly offensive.

[claret3561]

Not in this country CM.

You've got the best start in life if you are white, male and straight in this country.

I agree that there are mitigating factors but

Whose got more chance?

A white, straight male on stoops?

Or a black, gay woman on stoops?

Obviously the latter as she will get every benefit and all the help our namby pamby liberal society can throw at her. As for today's attack, I don't see IT and his cronies coming out and defending the rights of the attacker as he has so often with the muslims.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ladies and Gentleman, we've just reached peak Daily Mail.

[Lancasterclaret]

Fine, iw1961, then make sure you complain about it, but to make sure you are consistent, you have to complain when the "white van men" is replaced by "muslims".

Otherwise you are a hypocrite, or someone who doesn't like the fact that I'm pointing out the blatant issues with what was proposed on here for Muslims

And the use of "yellow star" is too make it abundantly clear, so there is no avoidance of doubt what a policy like that for Muslims means.

Further edit - I don't actually try to be funny, I actually care quite a lot about this kind of thing, but ranting about islamophobia doesn't really help on here, but gently reminding people what all this actually means sometimes works.

[claretandy]

If you emigrated to Spain and had a son, who would want him to support when England play Spain at football?

We are talking about 3rd generation born here.

[Colburn_Claret]

Have you not seen any Britain's First posts on Facebook...? or the bile spouted by Tommy Robinson on all social media...? Both of these examples fit the description of having networks, campaign agendas, a public voice, even if it only spouts bullshit

No
Why would any reasonable person want to.

I've never heard of Tommy Robinson, or Britain's First. I have a life.
I suspect that far more people read this shite in order to wind themselves up with indignation, than do to agree with it.
He wants an audience, if you want him to go away then ignore him. The authorities have enough staff to monitor anyone considered a threat.

As I said, if you blow it up to more than it is, then the danger is you create exactly what you ate worried about.

Not a terrorist an arsehole

[LoveCurryPies]

He deserves everything coming to him in prison.

That will be a room to himself, TV and internet connection, meals 3 times a day, no bills and protection from all the knobheads that liked what he's done.

[UpTheBeehole]

That will be a room to himself, TV and internet connection, meals 3 times a day, no bills and protection from all the knobheads that liked what he's done.

If it's that good why don't you give it a go?

[aggi]

Just looking at the pictures, it seems that it didn't actually happen at the mosque. It was at the Muslim Welfare House a few minutes away. From what I've seen of the place it is more of a community centre, it was one of the places that hosted a 'More in Common' event on Saturday for Jo Cox's Great Get-Together. A slightly strange choice of target.

[claretandy]

And so it continues, a muslim shouting "Allah Ackbar" tried to stab police outside a train station in london

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[Rick_Muller]

I've never heard of Tommy Robinson, or Britain's First. I have a life.
I suspect that far more people read this shite in order to wind themselves up with indignation, than do to agree with it.
He wants an audience, if you want him to go away then ignore him. The authorities have enough staff to monitor anyone considered a threat.

I have a life too, but that involves in people in my social circle sharing the posts about this, both in disgust at it and also some in support of it. Ignoring him and his type will not make the problem go away, but merely leave you ill-informed about what he is doing and saying. Perhaps I was being a little unkind to you by picking up on your description of a terrorists MO, I am merely highlighting that your description can apply to many diverse groups across the political spectrum.

As I said, if you blow it up to more than it is, then the danger is you create exactly what you are worried about.

I would tend to agree with this, by it's very nature to terrorise someone you need to make them worry about it in the first place. To remove their power would be to have a media blackout on all issues such as this, but that would not be possible at all in reality due to many different reasons.

Not a terrorist an arsehole

IMO his actions, by attacking a specific section of a community, make his actions terrorist in nature so he may well fit the description of a terrorist. I do concur though that he is definitely an arsehole.

[aggi]

And so it continues, a muslim shouting "Allah Ackbar" tried to stab police outside a train station in london

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From the article. Place of safety is strange phrasing, I assume it's in relation to the mental health issues.
The man is suspected by police to have mental health issues. ...
"The man has been taken to a place of safety.
"The incident is not being treated as terror related."

[Lancasterclaret]

Infowars sharing it as a "terrorist incident"

Now there is a shock.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Infowars sharing it as a "terrorist incident"

Now there is a shock.

It really isn't.

I dont like info wars but they, nor do any alt right type public speakers I know of condone, accept or encourage this type of behaviour at all, very much the opposite in fact.

They will point out the Liberal and media double standards to how it is dealt with however and in many cases they will have a point.

[Lancasterclaret]

Sandy Hook?

[aggi]

Infowars must have a pretty high bar for terrorist incident given that Alex Jones believes that the Oklahoma Bombings and 9/11 were both Government conspiracies (the moon landings were also fake if anyone was wondering).

[Imploding Turtle]

Whilst I am sure that you thought your sarcasm/irony or wit, call it what you will, would be quite amusing. For some of us with personal reasons that is highly offensive.

Then be highly offended. Nothing happens.

[TsarBomba]

From the article. Place of safety is strange phrasing, I assume it's in relation to the mental health issues.
The man is suspected by police to have mental health issues. ...
"The man has been taken to a place of safety.
"The incident is not being treated as terror related."

A place of safety is usually a 136 suite, which is a secure facility normally within the footprint of a hospital, where a mental health assessment can be undertaken by doctors. This is where the Police take MOP detained under 136 of the Mental Health Act, as they are considered an immediate danger to themselves and/or others.

Edit- 136 powers can only be utilised in a public place.

[Imploding Turtle]

It really isn't.

I dont like info wars but they, nor do any alt right type public speakers I know of condone, accept or encourage this type of behaviour at all, very much the opposite in fact.

They will point out the Liberal and media double standards to how it is dealt with however and in many cases they will have a point.

You claim to dislike Info wars yet you're a fan of Paul Joseph Watson, editor-at-large of Infowars.com

[aggi]

A place of safety is usually a 136 suite, which is a secure facility normally within the footprint of a hospital, where a mental health assessment can be undertaken by doctors. This is where the Police take MOP detained under 136 of the Mental Health Act, as they are considered an immediate danger to themselves and/or others.

Edit- 136 powers can only be utilised in a public place.

Cheers, that makes sense.

[Imploding Turtle]

No
Why would any reasonable person want to.

I've never heard of Tommy Robinson, or Britain's First. I have a life.
I suspect that far more people read this shite in order to wind themselves up with indignation, than do to agree with it.
He wants an audience, if you want him to go away then ignore him. The authorities have enough staff to monitor anyone considered a threat.

As I said, if you blow it up to more than it is, then the danger is you create exactly what you ate worried about.

Not a terrorist an arsehole

I'd like to remind you of what you said with regards to people like Anjem Choudrey standing on street corners and hurling abuse at the relatives of the dead.

There are laws in this land about incitement and breach of the peace. If you truly believe these people aren't committing a crime then your clearly of that left wing brigade, OR maybe you just want to court an argument as usual.

So when Muslim extremists are loundly abhorrant it's incitement and a crime for which they should be punished, but then it's a white, British guy doing it you're all oh just ignore him and he'll go away.

[claretandy]

Breaking, another attempted Terror attack in France

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[Claretmatt4]

Breaking, another attempted Terror attack in France

https://t.co/WZxAVZJbCr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing in that article suggests it's a terror attack.

[Imploding Turtle]

Nothing in that article suggests it's a terror attack.

He wants to deflect.

[ClaretMoffitt]

You claim to dislike Info wars yet you're a fan of Paul Joseph Watson, editor-at-large of Infowars.com

Im 50/50 on him. Sometimes he's bang on, other times he's talking utter turd.

Dont like anyone else on there though, your Alex jones' and the like.