50 years since decriminalisation of homosexuality

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:13 pm

NRC wrote:actually no. Don't knock it until you've tried it

I must admit to struggling to follow your thinking though FF. One the one hand you say homosexuality is unnatural, we can't choose to be homosexual, and then you also bring up the (excellent) argument of couples with an inability to reproduce, which is not unnatural it's just poor wiring, which is actually the same for the first example too. in other words, both about wiring, not unnatural.

Continuing the argument of unnatural - would you consider bestiality unnatural? Must be, right? That is if the purposes of the species' sexes it to reproduce. So why is bestiality legal in some US states, half of Central America, Argentina, Russia, some of Asia, some of Europe including Germany, Romania, Iceland. I find it quire bizarre that there are countries that would find homosexuality illegal/not to be practiced, while rogering a goat is OK.

And as to my defense of my suggestion you can choose - I don't mean that in the sense of bad wiring, I mean it in the sense of preference, per the bestiality argument above.

Beatiality is quite popular in Blackburn also, rogering a horse as opposed to a goat is well documented.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:20 pm

NRC, I think it was RightWinger who said it was unnatural.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:26 pm

I haven't bothered reading this thread, just because if its got to four pages, its got to be full of ignorant homophobes trying to impress.

Am I right?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:27 pm

I had no idea (until recent years) that so many people were homosexual. They really must have been very unhappy hiding their relationships from family, friends and society in general.

What really matters is people can now live their lives out in the open and hopefully without abuse. The World must be a better place if millions of people are happier.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I haven't bothered reading this thread, just because if its got to four pages, its got to be full of ignorant homophobes trying to impress.

Am I right?

I think we've got a fully paid up member of the evolution denial squad too.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I haven't bothered reading this thread, just because if its got to four pages, its got to be full of ignorant homophobes trying to impress.

Am I right?

My Catamite and myself are sat in bed together reading this on the laptop, both shaking our heads in disbelief.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:38 pm

Right_winger wrote:Your not getting the point it's not natural at all. As a species we are meant to mate with the opposite sex. That's how we survive. Mating with the same sex is an unnatural occurrence as we aren't designed to do that.

Designed by... God? And yet there are hundreds of millions homosexuals.
Designed by... natural selection? And yet there are still hundreds of millions homosexuals.

You call it unnatural because we're supposed to multiply, have you never considered the possibility that either God or Nature has given us homosexuality as a form of population control? Or is population control unnatural too? In which case contraception is equally unnatural yet i don't hear homo-haters screaming about condoms, or life-saving medicines that are also unnatural by your definition.

So let's assume you think population control can be perfectly natural, how do you know homosexualty isn't a natural form of population control in the same way predator/prey controls populations all over the world perfectly naturally?

The "unnatural" argument is just an excuse for people like you to justify your disapproval. If that's what you need to believe to justify it to yourself by all means, you do you. But don't spout this bullshit and expect the rest of us to treat it with any kind of respect.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:40 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I think we've got a fully paid up member of the evolution denial squad too.

Evolution!What's that all about then?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:41 pm

I'm done, I've just fully agreed with Turtle...

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:08 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I haven't bothered reading this thread, just because if its got to four pages, its got to be full of ignorant homophobes trying to impress.

Am I right?

Well I hadn't posted up until now and I'll probably be described as a homophobe (along with Islamophobe, Asparagusophobe and Blackburnophobe) because I don't like it.

Not that I want them incarcerating, throwing off tall buildings, being stabbed by nutters running through Brighton, blowing up in Canal Street Manchester with someone wearing a suicide bomb vest or feeling (wrongly) like they can't go t'Turf.

I just don't like it, the thought of it makes me want to spew.

Live and let live though.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:12 pm

Flatline wrote:Evolution!What's that all about then?

It's the proven fact that natural, random mutations in genes can give one member of a species an advantage over it's peers, for example a mutation that can make a wildebeast run slightly faster than other wildebeast is much more likely not to get eaten by lions, which means that mutation is much more likely spread to offspring, who then will spread the mutation to their offspring and so on. Now imagine in hundreds of millions of years, and millions of equally transformative mutations in hundreds or thousands of different directions. That's an evolution tree with Wildebeast as the roots. Now imagine that the roots of that tree began 3.6 billion years ago as single-cell bacteria, multiplying/copying itself with slight, usually insignificant, differences each time. But sometimes they're not insignificant.

Here's a better explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:19 pm

I've never read as much crap as all the above - you simply believe it's right or it's wrong.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:21 pm

basil6345789 wrote:I've never read as much crap as all the above - you simply believe it's right or it's wrong.

Thanks for providing absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:23 pm

Flatline, here's an example of how the eye most likely evolved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SXHMm5I-68" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:28 pm

If I was housebound tomorrow I might read through this thread.

Basically, who cares?

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:37 pm

Turtle you should have enough upstairs to understand that I hold no value for all these theories about religion, etc. It's simply a subjective feelng one has about it.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:39 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's the proven fact that natural, random mutations in genes can give one member of a species an advantage over it's peers, for example a mutation that can make a wildebeast run slightly faster than other wildebeast is much more likely not to get eaten by lions, which means that mutation is much more likely spread to offspring, who then will spread the mutation to their offspring and so on. Now imagine in hundreds of millions of years, and millions of equally transformative mutations in hundreds or thousands of different directions. That's an evolution tree with Wildebeast as the roots. Now imagine that the roots of that tree began 3.6 billion years ago as single-cell bacteria, multiplying/copying itself with slight, usually insignificant, differences each time. But sometimes they're not insignificant.

Here's a better explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Where's the monkey part?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:46 pm

Flatline wrote:Where's the monkey part?

Your local zoo.

Ask the question you want to ask. It's ok to ask questions to which you don't know the answer.

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Your local zoo.

Ask the question you want to ask. It's ok to ask questions to which you don't know the answer.

I know the answers,I was just waiting to see what bullshit you'd come up with.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:54 pm

Flatline wrote:I know the answers,I was just waiting to see what bullshit you'd come up with.

Then what are the answers?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:03 pm

As all knowledge is subjective it is all equally valid or invalid. You believe one thing others believe something else.
The logical outcome of subjectivity is fake news where nothing is true because everything is relative. That is the world from here on in until the great dictators arrive.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:09 pm

ablueclaret wrote:As all knowledge is subjective it is all equally valid or invalid. You believe one thing others believe something else.
The logical outcome of subjectivity is fake news where nothing is true because everything is relative. That is the world from here on in until the great dictators arrive.

Subjective knowledge is nothing more than opinion, and you're living proof that not all opinions have equal value.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:15 pm

Flatline wrote:I know the answers,I was just waiting to see what bullshit you'd come up with.

I didn't think you'd provide them. You're too afraid to share them in case i expose them as false. Which would make a normal person think "if i'm frightened that my answers might be debunked it must mean i'm really insecure about their accuracy"

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:19 pm

Flatline wrote:Where's the monkey part?

Imploding Turtle wrote:Your local zoo.

boatshed bill wrote:If I was housebound tomorrow I might read through this thread. Basically, who cares?

You know what.. together I think you're all hilarious (in a good way.. laughing with you)... carry it on please!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:28 pm

FactualFrank wrote:You know what.. together I think you're all hilarious (in a good way.. laughing with you)... carry it on please!

I do my best, Frank, Thanks!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:51 pm

HAHA brilliant.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:52 pm

FactualFrank wrote:HAHA brilliant.

I'm starting to think you're easily amused.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:59 pm

That's your first mistake... thinking.

I'm kidding, so nothing against you at all. How can I have anything against somebody who builds computers. Would you still do this if I paid for setting things up and ordered the parts?

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:00 am

Christ almighty I logged in and thought I'd accidentally gone onto the Brighton forum, I see as usual IT and Lancaster claret are doing their bit for political correctness.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:03 am

claret3561 wrote:Christ almighty I logged in and thought I'd accidentally gone onto the Brighton forum, I see as usual IT and Lancaster claret are doing their bit for political correctness.

Yeah. I hate these homo-apologists.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:10 am

claret3561 wrote:Christ almighty I logged in and thought I'd accidentally gone onto the Brighton forum, I see as usual IT and Lancaster claret are doing their bit for political correctness.

What has political correctness got to do with anything?

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:18 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:What has political correctness got to do with anything?

Obviously because it's seen as politically correct to support minority groups like gays and muslims as you do at every opportunity.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:19 am

Imploding Turtle.. do you still build computers and would you do it if I brought the computer to you?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:31 am

FactualFrank wrote:Imploding Turtle.. do you still build computers and would you do it if I brought the computer to you?

I do, but you only need a youtube video to learn to build one yourself. It's just expensive Lego.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:35 am

claret3561 wrote:Obviously because it's seen as politically correct to support minority groups like gays and muslims as you do at every opportunity.

And you think i'm only doing that because it's politically correct, not because i simply think that it's correct?

It must be lovely living in your world where the only possible reason anyone could hold an opinion or value different to yours is simply political correctness. It must save you a lot of thinking time. I'd love to be like you, where i'm so certain that i'm right that i don't even have to think about other peoples points of view because they're so obviously pretending to think what they think just to be politically correct.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:44 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I do, but you only need a youtube video to learn to build one yourself. It's just expensive Lego.

This isn't the best way to earn £100. Let me know the best way to contact you via contact details.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:59 am

FactualFrank wrote:This isn't the best way to earn £100. Let me know the best way to contact you via contact details.

send an email to atheistdingle@gmail.com and then provide a detail from that email here so i know it's not someone else being a ****, and we'll sort something out. You're not getting my address though

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:06 am

ha ha! I've taken it down. Will let you know.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:16 am

Gay sex is unnatural, they say.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:19 am

https://youtu.be/ecr27Q_L9l8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:26 am

I love that clip.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:34 am

More gay men the better...It's the future...less strain on world population and agriculture.

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:46 am

This is one of the scariest threads I have seen on here - I don't post normally because of the few weird anti-burnley posters that make every thread negative beyond just a normal discussion but this is really the worst.

Being gay is a sexuality you are born with it's not a choice. Being bisexual is the same. Being transgender is the same.

Regarding sexuality being "natural" - well you can't get any more natural than your whole being and DNA. This is who you are.

As has been mentioned in absolutely all animals and mammals being gay is extremely common and has a role in the the nurturing of generations.

It is an absolute moron that says only heterosexual humans contribute to the advancement of our race.

This has to be my last post and viewing on this forum - Claret Tony I know you want to not be the guy that always is heavy handed and controlling here but I have to say I am really disappointed in that certain posters are allowed to not only post offensive stuff about our team and then on here about people and things that really are important in society.

I am so fed up with looking at posts that are really nasty and fine, fill your boots with this crap.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:02 am

I'm fed up of people saying that Tony should delete people's post because they offend them. The world is full of different opinions, includion opinions belonging to reprehensible c*nts. Stop trying to protect other people from them. If you want to protect yourself from them then stop exposing yourself to situations where someone might offend you. But before you do that, know this; the only way to change the offensive opinions of other people is to first be exposed to them.

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:16 am

I totally agree with your post, and that's why I don't post normally. It's just that every single thread ends up being horrendously negative and this one is plainly nasty and sums up what's wrong with society.

I don't care about protecting me or being offended - and make no mistake you don't change opinions on a forum like this. And I don't want posts deleted because they offend me - I am not offended, I have a life and it doesn't consist of what people say on forums.

It is just sad to see that people have these thoughts and that it is how it is - and the more negative you are dominates each thread.

Just would like to see people get on with other people, even if you have different opinions - but it just ends up nasty and that is what I fed up with.

Since online Facebook and other online sites it seems that younger people no longer feel the need to be nice no matter your opinion - it seems it's okay to hide behind a keyboard and be nasty.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:46 am

People trying to justify homosexuality as natural have a logical problem.

Because some animals practice it makes it natural in humans? Some animals also practice rape and incest does that make it natural for humans? Going by the above logic it would.

Humans don't have the hardware for homosexuality to be natural and being so is a choice.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:07 am

Right_winger wrote:People trying to justify homosexuality as natural have a logical problem.

Because some animals practice it makes it natural in humans? Some animals also practice rape and incest does that make it natural for humans? Going by the above logic it would.

Humans don't have the hardware for homosexuality to be natural and being so is a choice.

You think we have a logical problem in thinking that just because it occurs in nature doesn't mean it's "natural"? Unfortunately for you you don't seen to understand the meaning of "natural". It literally means "existing in nature". Homosexuallity exists in nature. We can watch it. We have watched it. It's settled. There's nothing to debate on that front. You're wrong. Another short sentence.

Yes. Rape and incest is natural, but we criminalise it because it is harmful to others. Is homosexuality harmful to you? if so then there's probably a cream for that.

Right_winger wrote:
Humans don't have the hardware for homosexuality to be natural and being so is a choice.

If it's a choice then give it a try. Prove it's a choice by choosing to be gay.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:25 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You think we have a logical problem in thinking that just because it occurs in nature doesn't mean it's "natural"? Unfortunately for you you don't seen to understand the meaning of "natural". It literally means "existing in nature". Homosexuallity exists in nature. We can watch it. We have watched it. It's settled. There's nothing to debate on that front. You're wrong. Another short sentence.

Yes. Rape and incest is natural, but we criminalise it because it is harmful to others. Is homosexuality harmful to you? if so then there's probably a cream for that.

If it's a choice then give it a try. Prove it's a choice by choosing to be gay.

Maybe you should expand in the meaning of the word natural, especially in the context of this topic

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You are an expert in the art of deflection, playing with words and twisting what people say.

So are you saying that all humans share "feeling" homosexual or that it hasn't hasn't been learned?

If the answer to the above is no ( which it is ) then it is not natural and you are wrong. Unless you wish to challenge the Collins English dictionary for being a reputable source?

And again using the meaning of the word natural in the context of this subject you believe that rape and incest is "natural" you are one sick puppy, or you've just tied yourself in knots trying to prove your point.

Have a good day.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:41 am

The only thing to be learned from this thread is that right_winger is one of the gays. He's pretty furious about it, but he is.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:49 am

I don't have the figures from any studies or facts to back up my theory but I always figured homosexuality is through a higher percentage of the population in the more developed countries of the world.

If you looked at tribal communities around the world I presume there would be far more time concentrating on survival . And I think the same would go for transgender and the whole sex change thing.

To much time to think instead of just surviving may not be ideal for a species that has evolved from apes . You could then say it may be evolutions way of population control.

We do think a bit highly of ourselves as individuals though, I'd concentrate on preserving the planet for the future , not growing breasts and cutting bits off.

Kevlar and grade 1 military hat ready.