Ryan Shawcross

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:18 pm

MDWat wrote:Is someone genuinely asking whether Shawcross is an upgrade on Kevin Long? Seriously?

Just my view. I feel long is coming of age and growing as a CB whereas shawcross is getting worse from what iv seen of him last season. Did you see him play last season?

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:31 pm

What a signing it would be

BertiesBeehole · Post by **BertiesBeehole** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:34 pm

Don't know why I haven't done it before but just foe-ed Saxo.

Now I just need to find KRBFC and ablue and I'll have a hat trick. Is this what Pokemon Go is like?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:45 pm

BertiesBeehole wrote:Don't know why I haven't done it before but just foe-ed Saxo.

Now I just need to find KRBFC and ablue and I'll have a hat trick. Is this what Pokemon Go is like?

I'm here, foe the opinions you dont agree with sounds very strange.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:47 pm

KRBFC wrote:I'm here, foe the opinions you dont agree with sounds very strange.

Your lucky your not a rovers fan with brfcs as your main site..!

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:48 pm

I always thought the Tony Scholes at Stoke was the one from Preston but maybe given what is happening it is another one:-)

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:51 pm

Saxoman wrote:Our owners are wealthier than yours, sky money or not..

Can't argue with that.

Blackburn are the richest Indian owned club in League One. That's for sure.....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:53 pm

I just can't see this one at all sadly

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:03 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I just can't see this one at all sadly

But we can dream

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:09 am

quite a few speaking about it on the Stoke forum

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thr ... ss-burnley

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:17 am

Weren’t we linked to him a couple of years ago?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:43 am

Personally I would much rather have Dawson.

Two years younger, hasn't had a major back injury and scores goals. 8 in the last two seasons.
Already scored for WBA this pre-season and would increase our attacking threat in set pieces hugely. Get some Brady corners and FKs onto that lad.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:50 am

Agree 100%

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:10 am

The back is the issue-as a player he has been immense and done a great job for Stoke

Whatever this guy would cost would be prepared to go an extra £5m for Dawson

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:27 am

As much as I'd like this to happen I just can't see it. I have thought plenty of clubs would be in for him if he was available around the £10-15m mark, massive upgrade on what we have at the club.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:59 am

He's not the player he was and I'd be wary of shopping at Stoke again. I didn't think either Walters or Bardsley looked like they had much to offer Vs Celta Vigo. That's not to say we should write them off obviously, I just didn't think they looked like first teamers. Walters in particular looked leggy when he came on. Surely they'd only sell Shawcross if they thought he was past his best?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:04 am

Why does it have to be one or the other? Shawcross and Dawson will do nicely

Mee, Tarkowski, Shawcross and Dawson would be excellent competition. Long could be sold or loaned out to a Championship club for a full season of football.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:25 am

jlup1980 wrote:He's not the player he was and I'd be wary of shopping at Stoke again. I didn't think either Walters or Bardsley looked like they had much to offer Vs Celta Vigo. That's not to say we should write them off obviously, I just didn't think they looked like first teamers. Walters in particular looked leggy when he came on. Surely they'd only sell Shawcross if they thought he was past his best?

No we definitely shouldn't be writing players off judged off a one half viewing in a pre season friendly!

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:32 am

If his back is an issue that would show in a medical - as we've seen they are thorough.

We've already done business with Stoke this summer so the communication channels are open. Bardsley and Walters being here already might be a factor.

If we're interested, and assuming he's available, I'd say we are strong contenders to sign him. He's unlikely to go to a team better than Stoke. The other team, outside of the top 6/7, obviously shopping for a CB are West Brom but after the very public falling out between Pulis and Shawcross last season that seems an unlikely move.

Dawson, ticks all the boxes but the big drawback is dealing with Pulis/West Brom. Probable scenario potential deal drags on through the remainder of the window and then breaks down leaving us no time to move onto a decent alternative target.

We need a PL quality CB, ideally within the next week or so. A fit Shawcross is better than we would have reasonably expected as Keane's replacement.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:35 am

Reading the Stoke forum, quite a few mentioning that "He's not the player he was" after injury.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:35 am

Dyche has said he is happy with his centre backs and the option of playing Taylor there means meets his objective of having 2 players for every position.
He is not looking to buy a centre back but did say that if an opportunity came along for a player before the end of the transfer window and it was right for the club etc they would bring them in.

BertiesBeehole · Post by **BertiesBeehole** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:37 am

KRBFC wrote:I'm here, foe the opinions you dont agree with sounds very strange.

More than happy with differing opinions. Life would be dull without it. It's the arrogant and factual way that opinions by some are put across that ruins the board.

For example I've no problem if someone says 'I think Shawcross is crap' but instead it's 'Shawcross is crap'.

Mainly done for attention and to deliberately stir the pot.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:46 am

One thing Shawcross certainly isn't is "crap".

He'd be perfect, but if he was available and we were the only suitors interested you'd have to wonder why.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:17 am

I for one welcome our influx of shaven headed past-it thugs from Stoke

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:28 am

TVC15 wrote:Dyche has said he is happy with his centre backs and the option of playing Taylor there means meets his objective of having 2 players for every position.
He is not looking to buy a centre back but did say that if an opportunity came along for a player before the end of the transfer window and it was right for the club etc they would bring them in.

Yes. I've seen that quote.
Looks to me like we will not be signing an extra centre back.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:55 am

Tarkowski has been patient and deserves his chance
I'm sure Dyche has chatted him last year telling him that.
But I'd he fails to produce in first few games
I'm sure we will bring in a centre back before window closes
That's the way I see it

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:02 am

boatshed bill wrote:Yes. I've seen that quote.
Looks to me like we will not be signing an extra centre back.

It's all in the interpretation.
I read it as a message to whoever we're after, that we aren't desperate so if they think they can hold us over a barrel, they're wrong.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:08 am

boatshed bill wrote:Yes. I've seen that quote.
Looks to me like we will not be signing an extra centre back.

All well and good if the lads gel and preform. The defence were brilliant last season, our stronger area on the pitch overall. Just how many times did the defence and keeper win us points? With a massive void to step into for Long, Taylor or Tark I think we really need not risk no signing of an experienced premiere league CB. You just don't get the time to experiment with your defence without suffering if it doesn't work.
A couple of sloppy preformances up front and you can walk away with draws or marginal defeats . The same happens at the back in this league and all of a sudden you have had two heavy defeats, with the confidence ripped out of the defence.
Im not saying a new face may gel better than what we have but there will be scrutiny on not signing an experienced replacement for Keane should the risk not pay off.

He hasn't let us down so far with his decisions and long may it continue.

Come on Clarets.

Well up for this season now.

The football drought is nearly over.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:09 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:It's all in the interpretation.
I read it as a message to whoever we're after, that we aren't desperate so if they think they can hold us over a barrel, they're wrong.

Id be inclined to agree . Dyche is learning the prem transfer game and playing along hopefully.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:28 am

Bfcboyo wrote:Id be inclined to agree . Dyche is learning the prem transfer game and playing along hopefully.

I made this point on FB a few hours ago. I bet SD is still interested.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:30 am

Is there any foundation for this bar one fella on a Stoke forum?

Anyway - he's been a very good player for a long period. I hear the worry about his back, but the perceived decline in his form coincides with Hughes' attempt to play a more expansive brand of football which didn't protect the centre backs anywhere near as well as the rigid 442 Hughes inherited from Pulis.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:45 pm

We should of done a buy 2 get one free deal.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:34 pm

FulledgeClaret wrote:they most certainly do but they have what is it 10 yrs of prem money, but then we pay considerably more than your lot.

Ignore the idiot.

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:55 pm

Stayingup wrote:Ignore the idiot.

I like to give the idiots something to play with. Keeps them occupied they would only be knee deep in some poor horse otherwise.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:57 pm

Saxoman wrote:Our owners are wealthier than yours, sky money or not..

And a fine job they are doing too!

Dewhurst1882 · Post by **Dewhurst1882** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:28 pm

Can't see why Stoke would sell? Would be a great signing if we could pull it off

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:46 pm

Getting closer....?

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:31 pm

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:10 pm

Stoke close to getting martins indi on a permanent deal would that free Ryan up?

ClaretRock · Post by **ClaretRock** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:16 pm

From the pre season I think we should be looking for a centerback not sure shawcross is the right one think we do need pace or someone who spots danger early. Tark hasn't impressed me up to now, he looks slow to get into position. Watching Mee and Keane last season they were on their toes all game and moving in sync back and forwards Tark seems to have a mind of his own also noticed Taylor at left back being slow to move up with the line. Hopefully these are just teething problems and the defence will gel but I am slightly worried for the Chelski game this weekend. If we allow as much pressure on our defence as there was last season I feel it may be a demolition job. Our midfield will need to work there a55e5 off for the full 90mins.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:19 pm

Saxoman wrote:Our owners are wealthier than yours, sky money or not..

This has to be a contender for 'post of the season'. I might print this out and stick it on the wall in the office.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:09 pm

Definitely! And that's why Saxo is always welcome here.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:03 pm

Saxoman wrote:Our owners are wealthier than yours, sky money or not..

That has to be the 'last great act of defiance'. Talk about punching with your arms tied behind your back.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:07 pm

Shawcrosss - Noooooo - spent force
Dawson - yes - safe.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:13 pm

Isn't Shawcross the one that can only defend corners by trying to get the shirt off the opponents back?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:18 pm

Certainly the right age for us now as we aim to become the grandpa team of the division.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:49 pm

Given the amount of free time you obviously have maybe you can work out of the average age of each squad did us just to compare?

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:50 pm

Saxoman wrote:Our owners are wealthier than yours, sky money or not..

If only those wealthy owners of yours didn't have such short arms.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:33 pm

End thread. Indi coming in muniesa out.

benstone12 · Post by **benstone12** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:51 pm

Unless muniesa is joining us?