Indicators are optional in Burnley apparently

[UpTheBeehole]

I find it incredible that someone will deliberately block another driver from making a legal manoeuvre by deliberately making it dangerous for them to do so. Time you gave up driving.

It doesn't make it dangerous for them does it?

They're in the wrong lane, suck it up and go to the next junction. Learn to drive properly.

[ClaretEngineer]

Have you tried turning it off - then on...

I have a list of ''fixes'' for the various quirks of this software.

Machine shut down is top of the list

[lovebeingaclaret]

I find it incredible that someone will deliberately block another driver from making a legal manoeuvre by deliberately making it dangerous for them to do so. Time you gave up driving.

The idiots who drive up the left hand lane and then try and manoeuvre across the three lanes cause massive disruption to normal people especially at peak times.

Odd thing is is they don't normally indicate as they are embarrassed at what they are trying to do.

[sox8595]

As regards driving in Burnley (and the rest of the country),I find it far safer to regard every other driver on the road as being a complete idiot.This leads to me being very carefull and observant, as a result my accident free record remains intact.

[Steve1956]

The one that annoys me is people who turn, then indicate,what's the point in that one?

[IanMcL]

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If I pull out from that right hand lane into the middle lane, and the guy from the left hand lane pulls into the middle lane and crashes into me, that's his fault.

Looks like that silver car has been practising that manouvre!

[IanMcL]

The man in the showroom said that all the lights will come on automatically and the main beam will dip automatically. Perhaps the folk expect that to include indicators too, linked to the sat nav perhaps!

[ClaretinMyBlood]

The roundabouts at B&M and The Range are very fun at the minute. It adds a bit of interest to my daily commute playing guess which way the car will go.
Seriously though, I was ready to wage holy war on some stupid old b*stard the other week pulling out from the direction of the town mouse on to an already grid locked roundabout in his big 4x4. If there's a car coming from your right you can't just pull out, it's simple.

[MACCA]

I find it incredible that someone will deliberately block another driver from making a legal manoeuvre by deliberately making it dangerous for them to do so. Time you gave up driving.

Take it you do this, and endanger life whilst your at it.

Nothing I do is illegal, mearly stay in my lane within the speed limit.
Just because some berk, doesn't want to wait in the correct lane for those few extra minutes, and decides he want to cross 3 lanes In a 50 yard gap isn't my fault.

I suggest you give up driving as the road markings and signs show which lanes go where, and also a unbroken white line means no crossing.

But yes those who use the lanes correctly, don't want to be cut up or have there car in a collision are the silly ones...

Some people

[dushanbe]

The standard of driving has nosedived in recent years. I feel like I'm taking my life into my hands these days, going anywhere. Its not just indicators, there seems to be a thing for completely inappropriate speed in inappropriate places like car parks or residential streets.

People drive with absolutely no expectation that someone might step out in front of them and others need to seriously reconsider their internal risk/reward filters, often risking everything to gain 2 seconds at some traffic lights 500 yards further on.

[Colburn_Claret]

On Saturday, on the way to the match i watched some idiot reversing, on a round-about, because they'd missed the junction. I'm usually one for honking the horn, and giving them the finger, but even I was non plussed.

[dougcollins]

You in Naples, Macca?

[Herts Clarets]

2 years ago, they made the street I live on a One Way street. Half way up the street, you are faced with a large arrow, right turn only, 3 No Entry signs and One Way signs. I actually filmed a number of cars driving the wrong way up the street - I have challenged a couple when the opportunity arises - and forwarded the footage to the Police. The driver and the reg plate are clearly in view. Do you think they are interested?
They did eventually install a vehicle counter on the street for a week to count how many cars drive the wrong way. 56 in a week was the answer, or 8 every day. Cyclists are allowed to cycle the wrong way but they accounted for a small proportion from the speed they were travelling. And that seems to be it, count how bad it is then leave them to get on with it. The only time they will do something is when there is a collision, either with a vehicle travelling in the right direction or heaven forbid, a person who checks the road is clear in the direction of travel and then is hit by one of the morons ignoring the No Entry and One Way signs.

[standishclarets]

Why is it that when a car has the satnav switched on, the indicators don't work!! Never been able to fathom this one out!!!

[Giftonsnoidea]

The police should think of the revenue from fining all the people that don't use their indicators, I think they would rake in millions esp on motorways!

[Sidney1st]

Why is it that when a car has the satnav switched on, the indicators don't work!! Never been able to fathom this one out!!!

Usually because the driver is unable to focus on anything other than their satbav, which is generally directly in their line of sight instead of lower down the window etc.

[Firthy]

What is up with you lot? Don't you know that you're supposed to know what the other drivers are doing. It's obvious there's no need for indicators these days.

[ElectroClaret]

They're very handy for hanging air fresheners from.

[tim_noone]

So how many on here who have contributed to the thred have points or convictions on their driving licence just to balance things out a bit.as it appears everyone else who ever they are,are at fault in their driving.

[ClaretCliff]

However, advanced driving courses and police traffic cops are trained to indicate only when required i.e not on an empty road or where it doesn't benefit another road user - apparently it removes an aspect of laziness making the driver more aware of his surroundings and other road users (any traffic cops or advanced drivers please confirm)

Not a cop or advanced driver, but my instructor told me to only indicate when necessary - this would demonstrate to the examiner that I was aware of my surroundings. Mind you, that was over 40 years ago so things might have changed!

[Giftonsnoidea]

So how many on here who have contributed to the thred have points or convictions on their driving licence just to balance things out a bit.as it appears everyone else who ever they are,are at fault in their driving.

I don't get that vibe from the thread its more that if you don't use your indicators then you are a mong (the guilty party), could be a great bumper sticker that

[JarrowClaret]

If shite drivers were removed from our roads, traffic jams would become a thing of the past and the number of accidents and fatalities I'm sure would plummet.

That is correct Frank as 99% of Car Drivers would be unable to drive. Let's face facts we all make mistakes, i know i have, when driving for one reason or another just because we do it once doesn't mean we are always doing it. I never understand how someone has the time to beep there horn when something happens like has been described in the thread I'm always too busy trying to remain safe too worry about beeping my horn or make gestures. I have done an advanced driving type course and the instruction on that was that it was pointless indicating unless someone is around to see it but I find that I do it anyway naturally.

Edit: By car drivers I meant road users not just pointing the finger at people that drive cars all are equally bad at times.

[ExistentialWanderer]

this country

Sadly true. Hardly a day goes by I don't find myself shouting profanities at drivers who don't signal.

[yorkyclaret]

Take it you do this, and endanger life whilst your at it.

Nothing I do is illegal, mearly stay in my lane within the speed limit.
Just because some berk, doesn't want to wait in the correct lane for those few extra minutes, and decides he want to cross 3 lanes In a 50 yard gap isn't my fault.

I suggest you give up driving as the road markings and signs show which lanes go where, and also a unbroken white line means no crossing.

But yes those who use the lanes correctly, don't want to be cut up or have there car in a collision are the silly ones...
Some people

Yes I do change lanes where it is safe and there is no reason not to, I have been driving over 50 years, the day I can't change lanes safely I will give up. As a skilled driver I have changed lanes there many times without any problems. There are no lane markings where I change lanes, you also need a trip to specsavers as you see a solid white line, that was removed a long time ago to make lane changing even easier. Before changing lanes I go beyond the recommended mirror, signal, manouver. I do mirror, look over shoulder to check blind spot, signal if safe, mirror again, manouver while keeping checking mirror.

[Shore claret]

Just drove back from Cornwall and for about an hour a young girl in a brand new fiat 500 matched speed with me, she undertook other cars when she had no room to overtake, constantly drove to close to me when I was overtaking then when I moved over she didn't overtake and slowed down, but the scariest thing in an hour's drive on the motorway she didn't once use her indicators.

[Bfcboyo]

this country

You need to hire a car in Morocco.

[Whitgord]

I agree with all the points above re people not indicating enough at roundabouts. On the other hand a few years ago I went on a course aimed at helping parents teach their children how to drive. I was amazed at how much had changed since I took my test. For example, no need to change down through the gears when approaching a junction as modern brakes are much better. The most surprising thing was being told that I used my indicators far too much. One situation is when pulling away from being stationary at the road side. I was told not to indicate as I shouldn't pull out if anything was close enough for me to need to indicate. Also no need to indicate when parallel parking as reversing lights give the desired info to other drivers.

[MACCA]

Yes I do change lanes where it is safe and there is no reason not to, I have been driving over 50 years, the day I can't change lanes safely I will give up. As a skilled driver I have changed lanes there many times without any problems. There are no lane markings where I change lanes, you also need a trip to specsavers as you see a solid white line, that was removed a long time ago to make lane changing even easier. Before changing lanes I go beyond the recommended mirror, signal, manouver. I do mirror, look over shoulder to check blind spot, signal if safe, mirror again, manouver while keeping checking mirror.

Rather than do all that and cause chaos, why don't you just use the correct lane and wait those extra 2 minutes?

Least you'll know who's ended up making you go all the way into town if it happens to you.

I will double check once back in the UK, but to my knowledge the road markings and signs specifically show what lanes are for where, without the need to cut people up. ( the clue is that there's no stopping line for you to wait to jump across, you're meant to keep moving )

[lovebeingaclaret]

Yes I do change lanes where it is safe and there is no reason not to, I have been driving over 50 years, the day I can't change lanes safely I will give up. As a skilled driver I have changed lanes there many times without any problems. There are no lane markings where I change lanes, you also need a trip to specsavers as you see a solid white line, that was removed a long time ago to make lane changing even easier. Before changing lanes I go beyond the recommended mirror, signal, manouver. I do mirror, look over shoulder to check blind spot, signal if safe, mirror again, manouver while keeping checking mirror.

As a skilled driver could you explain to me what the term "Ahead Only" means, especially when accompanied by a straight arrow?

Perhaps if you positioned your vehicle correctly on leaving the slip road you would not have the need to look over your shoulder therefore allowing you to read and obey traffic signs.

At the same time vehicles approaching from Padiham and wanting to turn left at the roundabout will not be subjected to drivers who have no consideration of others.

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These will be compulsory next.

[yorkyclaret]

As a skilled driver could you explain to me what the term "Ahead Only" means, especially when accompanied by a straight arrow?

Perhaps if you positioned your vehicle correctly on leaving the slip road you would not have the need to look over your shoulder therefore allowing you to read and obey traffic signs.

At the same time vehicles approaching from Padiham and wanting to turn left at the roundabout will not be subjected to drivers who have no consideration of others.

Thanks for bringing that up, the first marking actually says A671 Ahead only. This tells you that should you want to go on the A671 you should go straight ahead but if not you should change lane, it is not accompanied by any arrow. The second marking does just say ahead only, that means it is too late to change lanes after that, but as it is only a few yards from the junction I doubt anyone would anyway. Hope that helps you.

Nothing at all is wrong with my vehicle positioning, nobody has said that I need to look over my shoulder, I prefer to do so as an extra safety measure, probably from my days on motorbikes when only girls and Lambrettas had mirrors.

What on earth makes you think that I do not read and obay road signs, certainly nothing I have said.

[Falcon]

You're essentially defending your behaviour by saying that technically it is within the rules to go up the left lane then change lanes. However everyone who uses that junction knows how it is meant to be used and everyone watching knows that you are being an arse, and will judge you appropriately.

[tim_noone]

So how many on here who have contributed to the thred have points or convictions on their driving licence just to balance things out a bit.as it appears everyone else who ever they are,are at fault in their driving.

So that's a big fat zero! We should all be happy that the posters on here are all exempelary drivers of the highest order.

[lovebeingaclaret]

Thanks for bringing that up, the first marking actually says A671 Ahead only. This tells you that should you want to go on the A671 you should go straight ahead but if not you should change lane, it is not accompanied by any arrow. The second marking does just say ahead only, that means it is too late to change lanes after that, but as it is only a few yards from the junction I doubt anyone would anyway. Hope that helps you.

Nothing at all is wrong with my vehicle positioning, nobody has said that I need to look over my shoulder, I prefer to do so as an extra safety measure, probably from my days on motorbikes when only girls and Lambrettas had mirrors.

What on earth makes you think that I do not read and obay road signs, certainly nothing I have said.

Not really worth discussing if you cannot see an arrow pointing straight ahead. Suggest you have an eye test before you have an accident.

[yorkyclaret]

If you really are stupid enough to thing I have broken the law by changing lanes go and tell it to the Police.

[UpTheBeehole]

You're as much of an arsehole on this board as you are on the road it appears

[ngsobob]

Re indicating, I was told by a former police driver who was testing me to drive the school bus that I didn't need to indicate after overtaking. I disagree with that, not least when moving from the third overtaking lane into the middle lane. It's to ensure a driver in front of you doesn't just move out thinking you're staying in lane. I've seen near misses many times due to non-indicators moving from inside and outside lanes for the same space in the middle lane.

As for Gannow Top, we use this roundabout from the west on match days. I think it would help if those with the right of way just occasionally helped by letting people in, instead of roaring forward to close the space ahead.

[MACCA]

Yes I do change lanes where it is safe and there is no reason not to, I have been driving over 50 years, the day I can't change lanes safely I will give up. As a skilled driver I have changed lanes there many times without any problems. There are no lane markings where I change lanes, you also need a trip to specsavers as you see a solid white line, that was removed a long time ago to make lane changing even easier. Before changing lanes I go beyond the recommended mirror, signal, manouver. I do mirror, look over shoulder to check blind spot, signal if safe, mirror again, manouver while keeping checking mirror.

Just used that road again. So thought I'd double check.

Ahead Only in big white letters suggests you are wrong.

No one did otherwuse, whilst I was there.

[Flatline]

Just used that road again. So thought I'd double check.

Ahead Only in big white letters suggests you are wrong.

No one did otherwuse, whilst I was there.

You conveniently forgot to mention it says A671 AHEAD ONLY,as in if you go down this road you'll be on the A671.There are no solid white lines,which means you can change lanes either side,which I do regularly as it's perfectly legal and nobody has ever made me do otherwise or ever will until that changes.If some idiot decides they don't want to let me change lanes then I'll just stop my vehicle until the idiot has moved on.

[MACCA]

You conveniently forgot to mention it says A671 AHEAD ONLY,as in if you go down this road you'll be on the A671.There are no solid white lines,which means you can change lanes either side,which I do regularly as it's perfectly legal and nobody has ever made me do otherwise or ever will until that changes.If some idiot decides they don't want to let me change lanes then I'll just stop my vehicle until the idiot has moved on.

we have another. Just select the correct lane, don't let that 2 minutes time you save cause an accident or cost a life.

You know what lanes are for where

[Flatline]

we have another. Just select the correct lane, don't let that 2 minutes time you save cause an accident or cost a life.

You know what lanes are for where

Lanes are there for more options and flow of traffic that eases congestion.Maybe you should go and do your test again if you don't understand dotted line and solid ones.

[MACCA]

Lanes are there for more options and flow of traffic that eases congestion.Maybe you should go and do your test again if you don't understand dotted line and solid ones.

You're wrong, give it up.
Why would you want to hop 3 lanes in 50 yards and whilst you're at it stop the flow of traffic.

Just get in lane, wait the extra 2 minutes and keep traffic flowing and more importantly people safe.

[pushpinpussy]

I drive a 52k Audi A5. I'm either too posh too indicate or I don't care anyway as I've got the power to get away from dangerous situations

[Flatline]

You're wrong, give it up.
Why would you want to hop 3 lanes in 50 yards and whilst you're at it stop the flow of traffic.

Just get in lane, wait the extra 2 minutes and keep traffic flowing and more importantly people safe.

What lane is that then,the lane that you want to come into?
I'll carry on regardless of what some some imbeciles think.

[yorkyclaret]

Roads are safest when vehicles are travelling at similar speed in a similar direction and changing lane by merging into traffic, not going from a standing start into traffic moving at 90 degrees to them. In the first case if something was to go wrong (driver has a heart attack, lorry has a blowout) would probably end with a scrape or a bump, in the second instance it would end with a T boning.
I am retired so safety is far more important to me that time and I get to lane 3 before the road markings in lane 1 so they are irrelevant.