Jack Walkers dead chant

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:39 pm

Marlonspants wrote:It may sound harsh but I pretty much wouldn't bat an eye. If that person was a family member or friend then I would be upset by it but would be expecting it and would deal with it accordingly.

I think you want to be offended on other people's behalf.

Don't be.

On that basis, why should people get upset when someone trawls the internet and starts sending abuse to grieving families on Face book, for example?

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:42 pm

Dazzler wrote:I am a former 'foul-mouthed' squaddie but wherever I was posted I not only represented my country but also my town and football club of which I consciously proudly represented with some decorum.

I also served (Infantry) and I know for a fact most of my mates would have loved the Jack Walker song as it appeals to the squaddie sense of humour.

You must have been a REMF.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:43 pm

Spijed wrote:On that basis, why should people get upset when someone trawls the internet and starts sending abuse to grieving families on Face book, for example?

I don't know. I'm not other people.

I'm from the generation that was taught sticks and stones.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:44 pm

The fact of the matter is this chant will long continue for years to.come and plenty will be in voice no matter what others think.

Get used to it whether u like it or not

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:53 pm

Marlonspants wrote:I also served (Infantry) and I know for a fact most of my mates would have loved the Jack Walker song as it appeals to the squaddie sense of humour.

You must have been a REMF.

Signals.7 years.
In all them 7 years I can't recall ever knowing a Rovers fan squaddie.

Cripes! How could it slip my mind.
I did know of a Rovers fan,Artillery lad,he came into my barrack room uninvited shouting is gob off at me that our fans were rioting at Ewood (83)
The way he barged in mouthing off seemed like he wanted to kick-off with me.
Can't recall my verbal response to him but I did put on a false smirk at his antics but I certainly wasn't secretly smirking listening to BFBS reports of Burnley fans antics that day.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:54 pm

bfcjg wrote:WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Lord put into the club ??????? How when was it a free pie or something. To compare the two is ludicrous. Lord had this club on its knees and was getting insulted by us trying to get him out.
Walker put cash into the club he supported fair enough but this oh I respect him FFS did you not endure the gloating of the bstards fans for all those years ? A lot of other clubs also detest them for their we have loads of money songs etc etc.

Wow the Bob Lord post was said tongue in cheek.
When the Burnley fans were chanting Owen Coyle's name on Wednesday you must have shouted WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:57 pm

bfcjg wrote:WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Lord put into the club ??????? How when was it a free pie or something. To compare the two is ludicrous. Lord had this club on its knees and was getting insulted by us trying to get him out.
Walker put cash into the club he supported fair enough but this oh I respect him FFS did you not endure the gloating of the bstards fans for all those years ? A lot of other clubs also detest them for their we have loads of money songs etc etc.

Wow the Bob Lord post was said tongue in cheek.
When the Burnley fans were chanting Owen Coyle's name on Wednesday you must have shouted WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:59 pm

Spijed wrote: It's a sad state of affairs that many on here find it highly amusing that Jack Walker died of cancer, but there you go.

For goodness sake, behave will yer.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:02 pm

I'm not offended by it. I just think those who sing it are dicks. I long ago came to terms with sharing the World with people like that. They're still dicks

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:04 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:For goodness sake, behave will yer.

ok

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:06 pm

Dazzler wrote:Signals.7 years.
In all them 7 years I can't recall ever knowing a Rovers fan squaddie.

Infantry eh...need I say more!?

You are either Infantry or you are just pretending.

I served in a Lancashire regiment so we had a few Rovers fans. Some of them great lads.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:09 pm

Claretforever wrote:"Football is like panto for adults" said one columnist some years ago about distasteful songs. You'll always get songs which try to get a rise out of the opposition.

When Rovers sang about Ben Lee, or when they sing about incest (which is illegal), they are doing it for the same reason our fans sing about Walker. It's all to get a rise out of the opponent, and the more Rovers fans complain (they haven't this time to be honest, as they're more bothered about their situation), the more Clarets sing it. Crappy hatchback lad is only on here to see if we can argue between ourselves.

When Venky's disappear, and Rovers fans continue not to make a deal about it, our fans will stop as it's not getting the response they crave. I'm sure something else will replace it though.

It doesn't bother me though, as I see it as The King is Dead, Long Live the King. They had a generous owner, and now they are stuck with Venky's.

That is exactly what it is all about!

The Rovers singing about interbreeding and " going down on your sister" aren't going to stop things are they?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:16 pm

Marlonspants wrote:You are either Infantry or you are just pretending.

I served in a Lancashire regiment so we had a few Rovers fans. Some of them great lads.

Where would the Army be without intelligent communications?

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:20 pm

Signals and intelligent communications is one of those oxymoron thingys.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:21 pm

Marlonspants wrote:You are either Infantry or you are just pretending.

I served in a Lancashire regiment so we had a few Rovers fans. Some of them great lads.

I shared a house with two Rovers fans in 1980. Top lads.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:23 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:I'm not offended by it. I just think those who sing it are dicks. I long ago came to terms with sharing the World with people like that. They're still dicks

Wow! What do you do when you are not trying to make the World a better place.

Mind you don't injure yourself getting off your high horse.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:24 pm

joey13 wrote:Did you know him , did you ever meet him ?
I had the misfortune to meet him a few times
He was an obnoxious knob !

As well as both of you being brain dead, you have something else in common.

Hazzyclaret1955 · Post by **Hazzyclaret1955** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:27 pm

Grimsby Claret wrote:The Rovers fans don't insult Bob Lord, and he put a Bob or two into our club.
Wish Jack Walker had been a Claret. All those Millions he gave away to his club.
I for one respect the man.

I think Bob took out a bob or three

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:28 pm

There's something reyt special about getting all high and mighty on a thread like this and then abusing other posters.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:30 pm

BennyD wrote:As well as both of you being brain dead, you have something else in common.

Congratulations, still trolling I see .

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:32 pm

BennyD wrote:As well as both of you being brain dead, you have something else in common.

Think again.

I am my own person.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:33 pm

Err..Jack Walker IS dead.That's a fact. How is stating it offensive ? The expression "The King is dead , Ling live the King" is common parlance so the song makes perfect sense..and Long Live The Venkys indeed.

If my dad had done so much for Burnley FC that the Barstewards were moved to sing this song after his, ultimately inevitable, death then I think I would feel pretty proud. The song quite obviously is celebrating the shift in ownership from beneficial to terrible..it's not the same as the "dying on the carpet" thing at all.

This debate occurs every single time we play them....for me there is nothing overly-tasteless about this song and it's a nice reminder for that lot of how things have changed.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:34 pm

Marlonspants wrote:Wow! What do you do when you are not trying to make the World a better place.

Mind you don't injure yourself getting off your high horse.

Badminton

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:34 pm

Grimsby Claret wrote:The Rovers fans don't insult Bob Lord, and he put a Bob or two into our club.
Wish Jack Walker had been a Claret. All those Millions he gave away to his club.
I for one respect the man.

You respect a tax dodger , why not go the whole hog and support Rovers if you have that much respect.

otto1959 · Post by **otto1959** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:35 pm

Dazzler wrote:Signals.7 years.
In all them 7 years I can't recall ever knowing a Rovers fan squaddie.

Cripes! How could it slip my mind.
I did know of a Rovers fan,Artillery lad,he came into my barrack room uninvited shouting is gob off at me that our fans were rioting at Ewood (83)
The way he barged in mouthing off seemed like he wanted to kick-off with me.
Can't recall my verbal response to him but I did put on a false smirk at his antics but I certainly wasn't secretly smirking listening to BFBS reports of Burnley fans antics that day.

7 years! get some time in. I was in Baghdad when you were in your Dads bag.

(25 years RAF)

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:39 pm

25 years in the RAF is the equivalent to a week in the Infantry!

Why didn't you join the Army?

Was you scared?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:40 pm

RAF equipment?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:40 pm

Hat off to your service but I still think people that sing that song are dicks. Not sure how that'll change the World

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:41 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:Badminton

That actually makes sense. It was either that or synchronised swimming.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:44 pm

Marlonspants wrote:That actually makes sense. It was either that or synchronised swimming.

Tiddlywinks with safety goggles?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:44 pm

I knew I should have plumped for table tennis

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:44 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:Hat off to your service but I still think people that sing that song are dicks. Not sure how that'll change the World

A man is judged by his actions.

I am quite happy to tell you that I'm not a Dick if you are willing to tell the thousands who sang the song that they are dicks.

Deal?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:49 pm

I judge people who sing that as dicks. It's how I feel. What do you want me to do, run around shouting your all dicks whilst it's in full flight?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:51 pm

You're

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:53 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:I judge people who sing that as dicks. It's how I feel. What do you want me to do, run around shouting your all dicks whilst it's in full flight?

Yes! That is actually what I want to see.

If you believe in what you say then you should be more than prepared to spread your message.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:55 pm

The way people go on about this just reflects the massively over-sensitised,sanitised, PC wrd we live in.

If any stops and thinks about it for a minute, it is obvious that the point of the chant is that, where once our bitter rivals had a fantastic owner who bought them a league championship and a prolonged stay in the top division, those days are long gone and he has been replace by a bunch of clueless "businessmen " who have successfully returned them to their correct station in life. For a Burnley fan, why is that not something to be celebrated?

Viewed in that context, I would suggest anyone who gets upset by the factual reference to the passing of a man nearly 20 years ago is being somewhat precious.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:59 pm

Nowt wrong with the song. I am sure Jack Walker would have loved it, with him benign a down to earth Lancastrian and football fan. It is only the limp wristed, shirt lifting , liberals who don't like it ,and there is plenty of them on here

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:07 pm

scouseclaret wrote:The way people go on about this just reflects the massively over-sensitised,sanitised, PC wrd we live in.

If any stops and thinks about it for a minute, it is obvious that the point of the chant is that, where once our bitter rivals had a fantastic owner who bought them a league championship and a prolonged stay in the top division, those days are long gone and he has been replace by a bunch of clueless "businessmen " who have successfully returned them to their correct station in life. For a Burnley fan, why is that not something to be celebrated?

This is all you need to know.

Thank you!

The message really is stop being so precious!
Viewed in that context, I would suggest anyone who gets upset by the factual reference to the passing of a man nearly 20 years ago is being somewhat precious.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:08 pm

Marlonspants wrote:Yes! That is actually what I want to see.

If you believe in what you say then you should be more than prepared to spread your message.

Why would I do that? I've said a couple of times it doesn't offend me. Do you run around calling everyone dicks if you think they're being a dick? No, you just think they're dicks

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:10 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:I judge people who sing that as dicks. It's how I feel. What do you want me to do, run around shouting your all dicks whilst it's in full flight?

Only Dick is thee, Rumble ********

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:16 pm

Stalbansclaret wrote:Err..Jack Walker IS dead.That's a fact. How is stating it offensive ? The expression "The King is dead , Ling live the King" is common parlance so the song makes perfect sense..and Long Live The Venkys indeed.

If my dad had done so much for Burnley FC that the Barstewards were moved to sing this song after his, ultimately inevitable, death then I think I would feel pretty proud. The song quite obviously is celebrating the shift in ownership from beneficial to terrible..it's not the same as the "dying on the carpet" thing at all.

This debate occurs every single time we play them....for me there is nothing overly-tasteless about this song and it's a nice reminder for that lot of how things have changed.

Nail on the head

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:17 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:Why would I do that? I've said a couple of times it doesn't offend me. Do you run around calling everyone dicks if you think they're being a dick? No, you just think they're dicks

If it doesn't offend you then excuse me but what the hell are you babbling on about?

You think people are dicks for doing something you are not offended by?

You are making very little sense with that argument.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:21 pm

I work in BBurn and none of my colleagues who are bstards fans are offended by it as they know it's aimed at the end of an era. If they got a brilliant benefactor in we couldn't sing it. The dieing on the carpet one is a totally different arguement .

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:21 pm

We out sang them outclassed them beat our bitter rivals yet again so not much to complain about ! I know lets get offended about a distasteful song that we have been singing for years ..yes let's ..

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:21 pm

When someone is acting like a dick it doesn't mean that folk are actually offended by it.

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Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:31 pm

So after all the posts on this thread we are surely all in agreement that Jack Walker is actually dead and that we as Burnley fans hope that the reign of the Venkys actually does last for a few more years?

In none song form it doesn't seem so offensive.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:34 pm

Dazzler wrote:When someone is acting like a dick it doesn't mean that folk are actually offended by it.

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Burnley fans said something about Jack Walker, and my sandals came off, and when I woke up in the morning I had to start a thread.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:42 pm

Funny how bstards fans sing incest songs to us but they then refer to themselves as nephews of a deceased ironmonger making them all cousins, judging by the gait,facial deformities and IQ of them I think they ought to look up the meaning of irony.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:44 pm

Marlonspants wrote:If it doesn't offend you then excuse me but what the hell are you babbling on about?

You think people are dicks for doing something you are not offended by?

You are making very little sense with that argument.

Let's move on. This would have been a 12 second conversation in a pub. We'd have both shrugged our shoulders and carried on drinking

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:46 pm

Can't see why anyone would want to sing about somebody being dead,the guy was a human being ffs with family......that chant really has to stop.
It's 2017 not 1977.