Heaton

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:54 pm

Do we know of any other good goalkeepers who have disclocated their shoulder

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:59 pm

Longsidebovril wrote:
But Pope looked good today.

Hope Jesus is playing when we play Man City. The headline's will write themselves...

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:00 pm

warksclaret wrote:Do we know of any other good goalkeepers who have disclocated their shoulder

Petr Cech

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:46 pm

Stoke managed all last season with Lee a Grant in goal,we will be fine

holdyourfire · Post by **holdyourfire** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:56 pm

I didnt see any white smoke before the substitution!

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:09 pm

When's dyche gonna get a break with injuries? ... Ahem.

ralph · Post by **ralph** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:11 pm

Saxoman wrote:When's dyche gonna get a break with injuries? ... Ahem.

Keep looking up sunshine

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:12 pm

Eh?

We've only got 2 out injured haven't we?

Marney we aren't missing nowadays and we've got what potentially looks like an adequate replacement for Heaton.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:14 pm

So amusing when you have a reserve in goal that's an unknown quantity. Watch for the opposition firing in long range efforts to test his nerve.

ralph · Post by **ralph** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:18 pm

Yes a million pound unknown quantity with some experience ... As opposed to some bloke from the Costa Plonka who couldn't catch cold in the Arctic ? ...

Look up sunshine

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:20 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Bryan Robson dislocated his at least 3 times I recall. Tbh Heaton would have been better off breaking a limb. Bloody bad news for someone who spends his time chucking himself on the deck.

I think that is the problem for a keeper compared with n outfield player. Today Tom came out jumped cuaght the ball with both hand was un balanced and fell. As a keeper he couldn't try to break his fall with his arms and that scanario occurs most games. If he has dislocated that shoulder, chances are he will do it again OR not make the calls to avoid landing on his left shoulder again. It is a worry

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:20 pm

ralph wrote:Yes a million pound unknown quantity with some experience ... As opposed to some bloke from the Costa Plonka who couldn't catch cold in the Arctic ? ...

Look up sunshine

I'm talking to Sidney. I've no interest in you whatsoever. Run along now, there a good chap..

ralph · Post by **ralph** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:22 pm

Saxoman wrote:I'm talking to Sidney. I've no interest in you whatsoever. Run along now, there a good chap..

Yes I will I've got a book to write cheery bye PG

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:24 pm

Straight forward
Dislocation shoulder intact put it back in couple of weeks for swelling and bruising.
Dislocation Rotator cuff ripped operation 2 weeks
6 weeks for recovery 2 weeks trading - 2 months

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:27 pm

Really strange seeing him walking off. Having dislocated my own 4 times. You generally need the arm supported from the elbow...the photo I've seen shows one arm down unsupported and the other thrown over medics shoulder....strange.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:28 pm

I hope you are fight BC but I stand by what I said about a keeper and dislocations. If he has done his shoulder it will be a few months

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:54 pm

What a shame for this guy. I watched him talk affectionately to the mascot he was leading out and I said to my wife he must be such a nice guy. Hope he makes a full recovery

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:58 pm

Saxoman wrote:So amusing when you have a reserve in goal that's an unknown quantity. Watch for the opposition firing in long range efforts to test his nerve.

He will be fine, today was good for him, clean sheet and a top draw save will boost his confidence.
Yes he will at some point concede some but so far its 4 clean sheets in 5 games for us including vs Rovers.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:10 pm

Pope doesn't look bad but if he gets injured we will be in trouble. Perhaps, as someone said, Paul Robinson, could be persuaded to come back for a while. He wouldn't have anything to lose and could help the club out.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:12 pm

Wasn't the reason Robinson retired due to injury?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:19 pm

Is anything confirmed injury wise?

It would be strange if it was a dislocation as he clapped the CF end as he was walking off. The pain wouldn't let you do that would it?

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:29 pm

If Pope got injured would we be eligible for an EMMERGENCY LOAN

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:33 pm

Not too long ago some people were questioning why we signed a third keeper. This is precisely why!

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:41 pm

Get well soon Tom

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:33 pm

warksclaret wrote:If Pope got injured would we be eligible for an EMMERGENCY LOAN

Don't think there's such thing as emergency loans now, even for keepers

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:37 pm

I used to be a goalie back in the day, and I dislocated mine when I was 26. I'm not familiar with all the technical medical terms mentioned above, but mine was caused by a strikers knee going into my shoulder blade when I was trying to intercept a cross.

I ended up with my shoulder out in front of my chest, but the worst bit about it was that I couldn't move it up/down or sideways. It was sort of locked in position.

As said above, it was the shoulder bone tearing through the ligaments that causes future issues. Looking at the way Tom walked off with his arm down by his side, hopefully means that the shoulder didn't come out that far, and maybe even went straight back in.

I know Shay given did his a while ago, but that looked a lot more serious, as he was stretchered off with an oxygen mask.

It's the worst possible injury for a goalie, I can only pray that his shoulder didn't go out that far and he can strengthen it back up again quite quickly.

The worst thing is not the 3 months he'll be out, but how it could affect him psychologically, especially if he does it again in the future

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:51 pm

Exactly my concern ric.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:41 pm

I wouldn't worry about his mental state when back. Dyche takes care of his players not a chance he will play until he's ready.

Dressinggown · Post by **Dressinggown** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:48 pm

I played at being a goalkeeper whilst at Uni.

I played for the Mechanical Engineers even though I was a poncy Law student.

Unusually, I once made a save but, upon landing with a straight arm, I suffered one of those 'Anterior' dislocations.

Stuck on my back, screaming with pain, my Centre Half who was more of a Rugby Union player decided to pull me to my feet using the dislocated limb.

Big crunching sound and it went back into place. Bonus ?

Weeks of Physio to repair the tendon, muscle and ligament damage.

To be honest, I wouldn't have been any worse in the nets if I had never been able to use my arm again.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:51 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Hope Jesus is playing when we play Man City. The headline's will write themselves...

If Jesus is playing, perhaps he can lay hands on Tom and mend him!

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:02 pm

Goalposts wrote:get shay given in

Not a bad idea as he can help Pope.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:12 am

Just over three years ago our youngest son aged 8 dislocated his left shoulder.

Since then he has dislocated both his shoulders and both his knees on hundreds of occasions.

Following a referral from a specialist on Harley St we were put in touch with a physio who specialises in shoulder dislocations and we spent two years visiting her at Royal Liverpool Hospital. She spends most of her time travelling the world educating physios and is brilliant. She works with Man Utd and Liverpool with these type of injuries and she is absolutely excellent.

We are all guessing as to the seriousness of Tom's injury but if his shoulder came out forward that is a good sign.

Having spent a day every week for two years in a physio clinic in Liverpool I can now put my lad's shoulder and knee back in place within minutes after it dislocates I should have bobbed over the wall of the Bob Lord stand today and sorted him out.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:21 am

tybfc wrote:Just over three years ago our youngest son aged 8 dislocated his left shoulder.

Since then he has dislocated both his shoulders and both his knees on hundreds of occasions.

Following a referral from a specialist on Harley St we were put in touch with a physio who specialises in shoulder dislocations and we spent two years visiting her at Royal Liverpool Hospital. She spends most of her time travelling the world educating physios and is brilliant. She works with Man Utd and Liverpool with these type of injuries and she is absolutely excellent.

We are all guessing as to the seriousness of Tom's injury but if his shoulder came out forward that is a good sign.

Having spent a day every week for two years in a physio clinic in Liverpool I can now put my lad's shoulder and knee back in place within minutes after it dislocates I should have bobbed over the wall of the Bob Lord stand today and sorted him out.

I love that last sentence.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:45 am

I'm sorry to hear about your son, Tony. That must have been awful for him and hugely worrying for you and your wife.

Never like to see any player get injured let alone one of our own. Tom is one of our best players for years as well as being very popular with all Clarets.

Let's hope it's not too serious although I fear the worst.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:03 am

Don't know if this has been mentioned because I haven't read all posts but did anyone notice that heaton scrambled to pick the ball up after dislocating his arm? He must have been in agony but his focus was getting the ball under control. Hero

Eloise Laws · Post by **Eloise Laws** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:44 am

Dyche on Radio Lancashire this morning......waiting for confirmation on Heaton. Let's hope the injury is not as bad as first speculated and all the doctors on here can stand down.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:18 am

Inchy wrote:Don't know if this has been mentioned because I haven't read all posts but did anyone notice that heaton scrambled to pick the ball up after dislocating his arm? He must have been in agony but his focus was getting the ball under control. Hero

I thought the exact same. His first priority was protecting his goal not his arm.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:04 pm

So is there any news? Is it as bad as thought or will he be back sooner?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:08 pm

dermotdermot wrote:So is there any news? Is it as bad as thought or will he be back sooner?

I wonder if they have to wait for any bruising/swelling to go down before they can make a proper assessment?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:13 pm

If you have dislocated the shoulder, fractured the upper arm or the collar bone it will be known if not before a plain X-ray then afterwards, the soft tissue injuries would need an MR scan and maybe they would want to wait a few days to assess. If his shoulder was out it will already be back in place.It will take a tad longer to know how long he will be out of action

Ightenclaret · Post by **Ightenclaret** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:13 pm

Hopefully no damage to the glenoid labrum and no rotator cuff injury. No news is good news at this stage.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:16 pm

Are ligaments damaged in the same way as if you badly twist your ankle or is it different?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:16 pm

Have to say I thought he might have fracture his collar bone but folk seem to think it is his shoulder

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:24 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Not too long ago some people were questioning why we signed a third keeper. This is precisely why!

Hoping the central defenders avoid injury then.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:28 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Hoping the central defenders avoid injury then.

Or 5 yellows before Jan 1st

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:31 pm

IanMcL wrote:If Jesus is playing, perhaps he can lay hands on Tom and mend him!

If the late JC could cure Tom, SD would already have done it.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:07 am

Silkyskills1 wrote:Hoping the central defenders avoid injury then.

That doesn't bear thinking about

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:00 pm

So he's out for "months, not weeks" then......

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:11 pm

The jury's out.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:33 pm

tim_noone wrote:The jury's out.

For weeks or months?