England Squad Announcement

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by claretrobo1 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:24 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I was thinking the same. Abraham I think will be interesting to see more of as he's shown he knows where the goal is. Every time I've seen Loftus-Cheek he's looked extremely 'meh'.
He has potential but hasn't got going for Palace at all. Cork has deserved it more because he's consistent, composed and can pick a pass. Perfect for a defensive mid and that is what England need at the minute - a rock in midfield.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by jedi_master » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote:On the subject of Wilshere, Southgate said: ""I don’t know how you get in an England squad if you’re not in the Arsenal team.”
Hypocritical when you see at least four or five of the other names in that squad.

Southgate depresses me.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:27 pm

Its not ideal at all, but at least he's trying to bring players through from ones he knows in the U21 squad.

I know its very long term thinking, but when you think of the success that the U20s and U17s have had, then its not the worst policy in the world.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Dublin7Claret » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:27 pm

Who the hell is Joe Gomez?
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:28 pm

Dublin7Claret wrote:Who the hell is Joe Gomez?
I'd like to know as well.

I'm refusing to use Google for this one.
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by claretrobo1 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:30 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I'd like to know as well.

I'm refusing to use Google for this one.
All you need to know is that he's part of Liverpool's defence. That alone should keep him away from the England squad.
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:30 pm

I know he plays for Liverpool, but don't recollect actually hearing his name during a game. So not sure how many times he's featured.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:32 pm

At least Southgate has made one decision which I agree with - he's choppped Ox-Chamberlain from the squad. That gets a thumbs up from me.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:33 pm

claretrobo1 wrote:All you need to know is that he's part of Liverpool's defence. That alone should keep him away from the England squad.
We'd all be raving about him if he had a Spanish surname.

Oh hang on....

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:40 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Probably a bit of all that, MACCA. I'd be worried if that was close to our World Cup squad though, which I envisage it will be.
That's what I mean, doesn't point us in a certain direction that we are heading. 8 of those players shouldn't and won't be near the squad come next summer.
In my opinion we should be either picking and preparing the youth with an eye on the next 3 or 4 tournaments, or picking a squad for now hoping to give us the best chance of winning for the short term, with a tried and tested system.
We seem stuck in between 2 or 3 approaches.

No wonder the players don't know what's going on, no clear structure in place and no clear plan for moving forward.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by duncandisorderly » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:42 pm

That font is awful. Someone needs sacking.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by MACCA » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:44 pm

Ashley young? ... Ashley f*****g young?!

Have we really reverted back to the cheating so and so who has never ever been good enough?

Won't change until yes men stop getting the job. Strong character needed

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Dyched » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:45 pm

Who were people expecting Gareth to pick?

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by jlup1980 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:46 pm

Has he called Delph and Young up as left backs, because that's where they're currently playing for City and Utd. Lingard is laughable. Maguire hasn't been anywhere near as good as Tarky, Mee or Lascelles so far this season. Gomez? That's crackers. He's part of a dreadful Liverpool defence. Cahill has been very poor this year as well. There are so many reasons why this squad highlights Southgate's short comings. Uninspiring to say the least.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by uwe » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:48 pm

If picked on form*, I'd go:

Butland
Gomez Stones Jones
Trippier Winks Dier Young
Alli
Kane Rashford

*from that squad.
Otherwise Tarks and Cork for Jones and Dier.
(Marney needs to be at least 70% fit to get in, and I'm not sure he is yet)
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:49 pm

I looked at the defence and the best two in there are both right backs. Jones, Cahill and Stones makes me think: We'll have to score 2-3 goals just to get a point, against the better sides.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by wilks_bfc » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Here's the squad

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I know it’s half-term but is it “bring your kids to work day” at the FA, and they’ve let them pick the squad and do the press release?
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by KRBFC » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:50 pm

Dunk, Shelvey, Tarkowski all deserved a place based on form yet non of them were called up, complete biased favourable bullsh*t which is why the system has failed for years.
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by uwe » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:53 pm

You are correct about Shelvey. Best English passer, by some distance. He'd be in my squad

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:22 pm

Which is the highest placed PL team without a player in the England squad................er let me think about it for a nano second !

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Tall Paul » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:44 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:Sorry I'll be sure to run conversation topics past you first next time.
Good. Make sure you do that.
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Foulthrow » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:07 pm

Joe Gomez has played for Liverpool 13 times in the league. 13! Ever!

In fact he's only played 45 games in total at senior level - i.e. not even a full season. Ridiculous.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by aggi » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:23 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Which is the highest placed PL team without a player in the England squad................er let me think about it for a nano second !
Arsenal.
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by maidenover » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:28 pm

Just for balance,
1. I think Cork is similar in style and just as good as Henderson at club level but no better. Cork hasn't been in the England system since he was a kid. Henderson has more experience at international and european competition level.
2. The kids are just there for experience around the England camp. Don't think they will make the bench even for these two friendlies.
3. Same as always for England - there is a lot of talent among those senior players- Alli, Kane, Stones, Rashford, Walker, Sterling for starters. Rose, Bertrand, Vardy, Dier, Cahill, Winks and our keepers aren't bad either. Just need to find a find a way to get it to work. I don't think Cork or Tarkowski for that matter would improve our chances of winning anything.
Tin hat time....
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Dyched » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:38 pm

aggi wrote:Arsenal.
:lol:
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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Diesel » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:39 pm

Andre Gray must be thinking 'maybe I'm TOO cr@p'?

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by bobinho » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:40 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Yes he did
No. He didn’t.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:00 pm

Some of the ones who get selected and are virtual "shoe ins" are ridiculous when you look at their form and their contribution to England in previous games, BUT tbh I'm more than happy for Burnley players to be left out as it may result in injuries and we just don't need it!

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Foshiznik » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:03 pm

Looking at the squad of names, particularly in midfield, you realise more than ever, that we are a long way away from the days of the dilemma of picking Gerrard, Lampard, Hargreaves, Scholes or Carrick in midfield.

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Re: England Squad Announcement

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:44 pm

pretty much the squad he'll take to the World Cup I would imagine.

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