BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:59 pm

If owning a blue passport is a better life, then yeah, go Brexit!

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by ngsobob » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:59 pm

The only way to a better life, particularly for the young, is to stay in the EU.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:00 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No one gets a better life from Brexit
My Law firm is raking it in.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by UpTheBeehole » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:01 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:My Law firm is raking it in.
On what, particularly?

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Blackrod » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I hope that what ever mental injury you have there's a diagnosis and treatment for it.
It looks like you are making light of mental illness which is at odds with some of your previous posts.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by claretandy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Try that with your mortgage. Sell your house and then try to strike a deal with the bank to pay off your mortgage cheaper than if you'd just continued to pay it every month. Then if they don't come back with a deal you like just break off negotiations and declare that you owe nothing. Report back on how that works out for you.
You can come up with as many analogies as you want, legally we owe nothing.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by claretandy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:04 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No, we owe what we'd previously committed to pay.
again, legally we owe nothing.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:05 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:On what, particularly?
Everything dragging on so much. I actually owe you remainers a pint or two.

Them £500 an hours mount up quickly.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by UpTheBeehole » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:06 pm

claretandy wrote:again, legally we owe nothing.
This is massive news. Someone ought to tell Theresa May.

Source?

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Post by UpTheBeehole » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:06 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Everything dragging on so much. I actually owe you remainers a pint or two.

Them £500 an hours mount up quickly.
Which field of law?

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Post by claretandy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:20 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:This is massive news. Someone ought to tell Theresa May.

Source?
". On the basis of the legal opinions we have considered we conclude
that, as a matter of EU law, Article 50 TEU allows the UK to leave the
EU without being liable for outstanding financial obligations under
the EU budget and related financial instruments, unless a withdrawal
agreement is concluded which resolves this issue."

This is the conclusion from the house of Lords report which spoke to EU experts and Legal experts.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/l ... 25/125.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by ngsobob » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:40 pm

The Lords Subcommittee took the view of one expert out of three, the other two arguing against. It could only happen under a 'walk away' and member states would have plenty of opportunity to seek remedial action. For starters, there'sd be no trade deal under we coughed up. It is fanciful but I can see it's comforting for those who deny reality:

"When Article 50 provides that the treaty “ceases to apply”, it refers to new obligations arising out of the treaty, but not to vested rights that were created while the UK was a party, including its financial commitments. I think this interpretation of Article 50 is the most natural reading of it. The UK cannot escape its obligations merely by walking away." (Infacts)

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by ngsobob » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:41 pm

Correction:

For starters, there'd be no trade deal until we coughed up.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:47 pm

Blackrod wrote:It looks like you are making light of mental illness which is at odds with some of your previous posts.
Which posts?

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by HatfieldClaret » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Do some reading on Ireland Hatfied ffs.
C'mon Lancaster (FFS), putting the rights or wrongs of Brexit to one side, it's only a problem if the EU want it to be a problem. They refuse to come up with any solutions but just dismiss anything the UK suggests.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:56 pm

What have we suggested, apart from The Sun demanding Eire leaves the EU to make it all easier?

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Post by UpTheBeehole » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:58 pm

One way to sort it would be to give Northern Ireland back to the country it belongs to, ie Eire.
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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by HatfieldClaret » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 pm

Fortunately, I don't think the Sun are part of Davis' team.....

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by JohnMcGreal » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:What have we suggested, apart from The Sun demanding Eire leaves the EU to make it all easier?
We've suggested that we'll leave the EU so we can control our own borders, and the first thing we'll do after we've left is have no border between the UK and the EU.

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by ngsobob » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:38 pm

And we can already control our own border but Home Secretary May didn't implement the provisions (three months, no job, return home).
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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by claretandy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:24 pm

ngsobob wrote:And we can already control our own border but Home Secretary May didn't implement the provisions (three months, no job, return home).
we can't actually stop people at the border, so no, we can't control our borders

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:34 pm

Thank God we do such a good job of controlling our non-EU border

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:33 pm

claretandy wrote:again, legally we owe nothing.
Ahem!

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Re: BAE - well over 1,000 UK jobs going

Post by Sidney1st » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:37 pm

What are you going ahem about?

Is it because the UK has agreed to pay X amount of billions into the EU as part of the divorce?

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