Hang your heads in shame BBC.

[Sidney1st]

It's the blatant unadulterated, institutional racism, that getting people angry.

Still?
Seeing as the BBC have been discriminating against people for decades, why are people still getting angry?

[RingoMcCartney]

Same old snowflakes going out of their way to be offended by something

Same old lefties defending anti white racism.

[RingoMcCartney]

Still?
Seeing as the BBC have been discriminating against people for decades, why are people still getting angry?

Decades of discrimination doenst make the fact that white people will be excluded from applying for the job any more acceptable.

Lots of wrongs in the past don't make this racist discrimination right.

[Rumbletonk]

Dwight Yorke starts on Monday

[Sidney1st]

Decades of discrimination doenst make the fact that white people will be excluded from applying for the job any more acceptable.

Lots of wrongs in the past don't make this racist discrimination right.

I haven't said it does make it right, my point is no one really gave a toss when the BBC were discriminating against non white people.

It isn't just the BBC who do it either, lots of places do it, the Yanks even put the Rooney rule in place for sthe NFL to ensure non white people get an interview.

[martin_p]

The BBC really can't win this year!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rsity.html

[RingoMcCartney]

I haven't said it does make it right, my point is no one really gave a toss when the BBC were discriminating against non white people.

It isn't just the BBC who do it either, lots of places do it, the Yanks even put the Rooney rule in place for sthe NFL to ensure non white people get an interview.

So if it's not right. Why are you bringing up the past. Do you agree the BBC should be ashamed of themselves and immediately open up this position to the best person available regardless of their race gender or religion?

[Sidney1st]

So if it's not right. Why are you bringing up the past. Do you agree the BBC should be ashamed of themselves and immediately open up this position to the best person available regardless of their race gender or religion?

I don't know the ins and outs of the job, do you?
It may require someone who's non white for a specific reason...

You can carry on stropping about it though like everyone else.

[Walton]

Anyone found the BBC link yet?

Here's the apprenticeship section of the site, and I can't see that particular advert on the main BBC careers listings either.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/careers/trainee-sc ... nticeships

The description doesn't fit the style of the BBC's listings, and the address isn't a BBC one either.

[Foshiznik]

Anyone found the BBC link yet?

Here's the apprenticeship section of the site, and I can't see that particular advert on the main BBC careers listings either.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/careers/trainee-sc ... nticeships

The description doesn't fit the style of the BBC's listings, and the address isn't a BBC one either.

I'm literally looking at the same as you and have come to the same conclusion to boot.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think the answer is that its a BBC job, and the company that are advertising it here are advertising it through the link of a company that is committed to diversity in the media.

I'm 100% certain that the BBC have not advertised it like that, but the company "Creative Choices" have, and its their advert that w4mpjobs has run, but even that isn't clear.

Someone, somewhere on the chain has done the change, and if that is one of the involved companies, then that is wrong.

BBC blameless though I think (looking at it rationally!)

[RingoMcCartney]

I don't know the ins and outs of the job, do you?
It may require someone who's non white for a specific reason...

You can carry on stropping about it though like everyone else.

No stropping here fella.

But you can carry on defending blatent racist discrimination.

This requirement for "someone who's non white for a specific reason..."

Is there an equivalent job that requires someone who IS white for a specific reason...?

I'd have thought sticking to the simple fair criteria, of giving the job to the best person available regardless of their race gender or religion would be best.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think you need to read the advert Ringo, and check the BBC site out.

There is no evidence at all of what if being claimed on the advert on the BBC site.

[Foshiznik]

If it is a real advert, It's even more suprising that w4mps are the people advertising it. That is a job site run by the houses of parliament, advertising to those who work in politics and/or are looking to work for MPs or in government.

[martin_p]

What do people want the BBC to do? As I posted above they got some serious stick for not being diverse enough. The conversation seems to be going something like this:

Public: BBC, you're not diverse! Racists!

BBC: Ok, we'll specifically recruit some non-white people

Public: RACISTS!!!

[Devils_Advocate]

I'm pretty certain if there was a story linked on here showing bias favouring white people getting certain jobs and accusing the employers of racism the OP would be on here doing everything to discredit the story and I'm sure hed be accusing people of playing the race card rather than being outraged by apparent racism.

The problem with the OP he is very quick to be horrified and offended by certain types of racism whilst going out of his way to defend his white racist friends when the scenario is reversed.

Worth noting that in contrast some of the posters that would be quick to criticise racism towards ethnic minorities are also consistent with their opinion that this kind of positive discrimination racism is also bad.

[RingoMcCartney]

I think you need to read the advert Ringo, and check the BBC site out.

There is no evidence at all of what if being claimed on the advert on the BBC site.

Then the BBC needs to bring it to their attention, and change it immediately, so it opens it up to all potential candidates. Regardless of their race, gender, religion or the physical abilities.

As it stands that listing is blatently racist and discriminatory towards white people.

[Foshiznik]

I'm pretty certain if there was a story linked on here showing bias favouring white people getting certain jobs and accusing the employers of racism the OP would be on here doing everything to discredit the story and I'm sure hed be accusing people of playing the race card rather than being outraged by apparent racism.

The problem with the OP he is very quick to be horrified and offended by certain types of racism whilst going out of his way to defend his white racist friends when the scenario is reversed.

Worth noting that in contrast some of the posters that would be quick to criticise racism towards ethnic minorities are also consistent with their opinion that this kind of positive discrimination racism is also bad.

Nothing this board loves more than an extreme sweeping generalisation.

[RingoMcCartney]

What do people want the BBC to do? As I posted above they got some serious stick for not being diverse enough. The conversation seems to be going something like this:

Public: BBC, you're not diverse! Racists!

BBC: Ok, we'll specifically recruit some non-white people

Public: RACISTS!!!

And in reality the conversation actually goes like this:

Public: Just give the job to the best person available, regardless of their race gender or religion.

[Erasmus]

It's a difficult one, positive discrimination. In India 20% of all government jobs and state university places are guaranteed to Dalits (the oppressed, who used to be known as untouchables). This is a measure taken to try to redress traditional discrimination against Dalits. It seems like a good thing to me, but it does lead to a degree of opposition amongst some members of other castes. It seems to have some parallels with black and Asian people traditionally being discriminated against in Western societies.

[quoonbeatz]

great to see barrowford celtic tweeting about this.

[SonofPog]

And in reality the conversation actually goes like this:

Public: Just give the job to the best person available, regardless of their race gender or religion.

Except it isn't, as per the already given link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rsity.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

Creative access, the company who the advert goes to are a partner of the BBC, and it does say on the application form what is claimed by the OP.

Still no mention on the BBC site though.

It certainly needs looking at, as I'm struggling to think of a good reason why it would be there

[Spike]

you cant discriminate against age , sex , transgender, folk with piercings, tattoos, but you can against white people what an absolute disgrace

and no flowery excuses will do thank you

[RingoMcCartney]

Except it isn't, as per the already given link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rsity.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Except it actually is. As per the link!

Click on the comments. ( there's 133). That's what it reader's (the public) are saying. Then click on "best rated". You'll see this comment I've cut n pasted it:

"WhAt happened to employing the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith.....?"

Thanks for inadvertently backing up my opinion fella!

[houseboy]

I thought this was a football site ? With Topics posted about Burnley football club.?

No, I think you will find all kinds of threads on here, mainly football related but not exclusively. It's good to have diversity (because they are really good dancers).

[SonofPog]

Except it is. As per the link.

Click on the comments. ( there's 133). That's what it reader's (the public) are saying. Then click on "best rated". You'll see this comment I've cut n pasted it:

"WhAt happened to employing the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith.....?

Thanks for inadvertently backing up my opinion fella!

Yes, a comment carries as much weight as a national newspaper heading reached by 1.5million daily. They're completely comparable. There's probably someone comparing the BBC to the third Reich in the comments section,

And as for the ""WhAt happened to employing the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith....."

unfortunately Human beings have inherent biases, meaning they're more likely to hire someone of their own ethnicity and discriminate against overweight and disabled people.

[Walton]

At least now we know where you get your news Gandhi

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11 ... presented/

[TurfyMoore]

Its for the World Service. They might be dispatching them to cover places where white faces arent welcome,

[RingoMcCartney]

Yes, a comment carries as much weight as a national newspaper heading reached by 1.5million daily. They're completely comparable. There's probably someone comparing the BBC to the third Reich in the comments section,

And as for the ""WhAt happened to employing the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith....."

unfortunately Human beings have inherent biases, meaning they're more likely to hire someone of their own ethnicity and discriminate against overweight and disabled people.

You held up the daily mail as an example of the people not wanting fairness.

You failed to read what the most popular comment was. It was.

"WhAt happened to employing the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith.....?"

I'm not saying one comment carries as much weight! But it proves. That despite the Left claiming the Mail is a neo Nazi organ that's succeeded in brain washing it's readership. In actual fact, it's readers are, like me, simply saying there should be a level playing field with equal opportunities FOR ALL. Not more opportunities for some based on their race gender or religion.

You held up the Daily Mail to try and say the people are not sayimg what I am. Guess what? They are!

[SonofPog]

". In actual fact, it's readers are, like me, simply saying there should be a level playing field with equal opportunities FOR ALL."

A scientific impossibility unfortunately.

[Sidney1st]

Its for the World Service. They might be dispatching them to cover places where white faces arent welcome,

Take your sensible answer and bugger off somewhere else.
Ringo is on his soapbox and won't be stopped now.

[RingoMcCartney]

". In actual fact, it's readers are, like me, simply saying there should be a level playing field with equal opportunities FOR ALL."

A scientific impossibility unfortunately.

I'll take that with the humour that I reckon you've written it to be fair

But, I only clicked on the "best comment" and the most popular comment was:

"WhAt happened to employing the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith.....?"

It blows the left wing accusations of the Daily Mail angry mob out of the water. Who'd have thought that.

I'm still sticking to the view that the listing should be withdrawn and made more in line with what the vast vast majority of right minded people think. Which is - "employ the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith..."

[Tall Paul]

I reckon you need to repeat that quote at least another 15 times, Ringo.

For added effect you could capitalise it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Its for the World Service. They might be dispatching them to cover places where white faces arent welcome,

If it is a place " where white faces arent welcome"

The BBC should not be giving such a state it's tacit support. And withdrawing all it's staff and associated financial backing until such a despicable regime is brought to book and be made to treat white people with the same respect it shows to all other races.

[RingoMcCartney]

I reckon you need to repeat that quote at least another 15 times, Ringo.

For added effect you could capitalise it.

k

No. I think that should do it.

[Imploding Turtle]

Take your sensible answer and bugger off somewhere else.
Ringo is on his soapbox and won't be stopped now.

It's not a good argument.

A good argument would be pointing out that the BBC didn't post this job listing, but that one of the companies the BBC uses for recruitment did.

Creative Access is a BAME recruitment agency whose purpose is to increase the BAME representation in the creative industries. That includes journalism.

Almost certainly these jobs aren't only open to BAME applicants, just that Creative Access only accept BAME applications. The BBC don't only recruit interns from one agency.

Other left-wing journalism organisations who use Creative Access for this exact purpose, increasing their BAME representation, include the Daily Mail and The Sun. But apparently it's perfectly fine when they do it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the OP found out about this listing from either the Daily Mail or the Sun.
https://creativeaccess.org.uk/employer- ... rs/page/2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://creativeaccess.org.uk/employer- ... rs/page/5/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

Is it legal for a recruitment firm to only accept BAME applicants though?

I have to be honest, my lefty libtard tendencies are not comfortable with that.

[Imploding Turtle]

Is it legal for a recruitment firm to only accept BAME applicants though?

I have to be honest, my lefty libtard tendencies are not comfortable with that.

Mine neither. But i'm even less comfortable with the way things were before we tried to be better and more diverse. If there's a better way to go about acheiving fair representation across all the under represented minorities + women, i'd jump on it.

[NottsClaret]

That makes more sense Turtle, even if like Lancaster, I'd still be a bit uneasy about it.

Do they have a specific level of non-whiteness that's acceptable I wonder? And when somebody crosses that line into being accepted by them due to just enough pigmentation in their skin. It's a curious one when you start trying to get some rules down around discrimination rather than just on a casually racist basis.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

The BBC have many reasons to hang their heads in shame. Women paid less than men. Whites paid more than non-whites, whites excluded from job applications. Highest earners being paid huge amounts of the licence fee we pay and lots of staff paid poorly in comparison. Still I prefer their programmes to those on ITV.

[Imploding Turtle]

That makes more sense Turtle, even if like Lancaster, I'd still be a bit uneasy about it.

Do they have a specific level of non-whiteness that's acceptable I wonder? And when somebody crosses that line into being accepted by them due to just enough pigmentation in their skin. It's a curious one when you start trying to get some rules down around discrimination rather than just on a casually racist basis.

We're talking about internships. Temporary positions. You still only get them by being qualified and you still only get taken on permanently if you've performed well enough as an intern. The BBC will still be looking at the people agencies send them and if they consisnetly send them **** interns then they'll bin that agency, including this one, and find another agency that will provide better BAME candidates.

This is just the free-market trying to remove some of the bias out of the recruitment process, while also trying to encourage those who are the most biased against to get into the recruitment process in the first place (eg. less of the "i'm black so won't get considered" attitude).

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Oh and they're ageist as well.
Racist against whites and non-whites, sexist and ageist. - Almost the complete set.

[Imploding Turtle]

Oh and they're ageist as well.
Racist against whites and non-whites, sexist and ageist. - Almost the complete set.

You know you're talking about mostly white men when you talk about the BBC being racist, ageist and sexist - right?. It's almost as if more diversity would perhaps help fix those problems you're talking about.

[SalisburyClaret]

Apparently the National Black Police Association are going to look into this

[quoonbeatz]

wondered why it only appeared to be news sites aimed at thick racists, like breitbart and westmonster, who had picked up on it*.

would that be because, despite the fact most sane people will be uncomfortable with it, its not really a big story?

*source: looking at twitter about an hour or so ago.

[SonofPog]

I'll take that with the humour that I reckon you've written it to be fair

Which is - "employ the right person form the job..... regardless of colour, sex, faith..."

No humour, a scientific fact. People are incapable of doing what you ask for.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

You know you're talking about mostly white men when you talk about the BBC being racist, ageist and sexist - right?. It's almost as if more diversity would perhaps help fix those problems you're talking about.

I'm all for positive discrimination.

Trying to highlight to those who think it's wrong to advertise a job for ethnic minorities that in comparison to that the BBC is actually discriminating against women and ethnic minorities in the fact that the gender and race pay gaps are of a significant level at the BBC. And there is still the ageism against women broadcasters at the BBC.

I included the anti white racism or rebalancing the workforce as it should probably be called just to acknowledge those who think positive discrimination is wrong. I try not to just be dismissive of their ideas I try reasoning with them instead.

[gandhisflipflop]

I'm pretty certain if there was a story linked on here showing bias favouring white people getting certain jobs and accusing the employers of racism the OP would be on here doing everything to discredit the story and I'm sure hed be accusing people of playing the race card rather than being outraged by apparent racism.

The problem with the OP he is very quick to be horrified and offended by certain types of racism whilst going out of his way to defend his white racist friends when the scenario is reversed.

Worth noting that in contrast some of the posters that would be quick to criticise racism towards ethnic minorities are also consistent with their opinion that this kind of positive discrimination racism is also bad.

You seem to know an awful lot about me DA. I shouldn't need to defend myself here. I know I'm not racist and my friends certainly arn't. There's been occasions where I've confronted racists at Burnley games (Stoke away in 2014 being an example off the top of my head). You've also seemed to have missed my earlier post where I said it would be rightly racist if the roles are reversed but you keep to your make belief opinion of me if it makes you feel better.

[Imploding Turtle]

wondered why it only appeared to be news sites aimed at thick racists, like breitbart and westmonster, who had picked up on it*.

would that be because, despite the fact most sane people will be uncomfortable with it, its not really a big story?

*source: looking at twitter about an hour or so ago.

The right-wing outraged media like to do this every now and then. The Sun were getting angry about it last year without mentioning to anyone that they themselves do the same thing. It's propaganda intended to make white people resentful. That's all it is.
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