Jack Cork - the new Dobson ?

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:23 pm

Seeing Dobo at the match the other night caused me to liken Jack with him.

The time that they both always seem to have on the ball, the calmness with which they play, the ability always to find a pass and the ability not to get riled when fouled. (Obviously change to the past tense when reading that for Dobo).

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:30 pm

I see what you mean Ralph, but Defour reminds me more of Dobson.
Like a Rolls Royce coming forward with the ball.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:52 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:I see what you mean Ralph, but Defour reminds me more of Dobson.
Like a Rolls Royce coming forward with the ball.

We are indeed blessed then... 2 DOBO's

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:54 pm

What a fantastic signing Jack has been, I also like seeing him with the Captains armband. I am now going to spend time working out if Cork or Defour is the closest to my happy memories of Dobo.

Elder statesman · Post by **Elder statesman** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:15 pm

vinrogue wrote:What a fantastic signing Jack has been, I also like seeing him with the Captains armband. I am now going to spend time working out if Cork or Defour is the closest to my happy memories of Dobo.

They certainly look good together.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:16 pm

Dobbo was Dobbo - please, no comparisons

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:30 pm

I think Jack Cork is an excellent player, but for me not in the same league as Dobbo. He was the one of the classiest players on the ball that I have ever seen, the way he could seemingly glide past 2 or 3 men almost in slow motion was a joy to behold. Plus he could shoot, head, defend and pass. What a player!

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:37 pm

It has to be DOBO not Dobbo. The song used to go: "'D O'; 'D O B'; 'D O B O', Dobo"

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:37 pm

And only the other week, Clement was steadfastly maintaining
it wasn't a mistake to flog him.

Yeah, right Paul.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:43 pm

Defour played a thru ball to ???? against stoke, and although it ultimately came to nothing, it was one of the best passes I’ve ever seen live. Only he saw it. Iniesta wouldn’t have seen it. Neither would Pirlo. Only Steven Defour could’ve seen it. It was beautiful.

Sorry to hihack. Yeah corky is majestic how he struts around quietly doing his business.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:45 pm

The last 'Turf More' episode was Darren Bentley chatting to both Jack and Dobo.
All about England caps etc. Well worth a watch.
Interestingly, DB didn't compare them either.
However, there is a comparison, they are both midfielders who won their first full
England caps playing for Burnley.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:46 pm

bfcmik wrote:It has to be DOBO not Dobbo. The song used to go: "'D O'; 'D O B'; 'D O B O', Dobo"

It's Dobbo and you add a letter each time

D-O
D-O-B
D-O-B-O
DOBBO

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:49 pm

bobinho wrote: Yeah corky is majestic how he struts around quietly doing his business.

Thank you. I feel humbled.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:50 pm

Corky wrote:Thank you. I feel humbled.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:51 pm

bobinho wrote:Defour played a thru ball to ???? against stoke, and although it ultimately came to nothing, it was one of the best passes I’ve ever seen live. Only he saw it. Iniesta wouldn’t have seen it. Neither would Pirlo. Only Steven Defour could’ve seen it. It was beautiful.

Sorry to hihack. Yeah corky is majestic how he struts around quietly doing his business.

Abnsolutely, Bobinho, he usually does 3 or 4 of them every game.
I am struggling to think of anyone else in a Burnley shirt for the past 50-years who can see those passes.
However, I suppose we are hijacking a thread about Jack.
JC, is a superb midfielder too!

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:52 pm

bobinho wrote:Defour played a thru ball to ???? against stoke, and although it ultimately came to nothing, it was one of the best passes I’ve ever seen live. Only he saw it. Iniesta wouldn’t have seen it. Neither would Pirlo. Only Steven Defour could’ve seen it. It was beautiful.

I kind of remember that one. Apart from the goal, I've tried to eradicate the match from my memory

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:58 pm

You can sing Jack Corks name to the same chant as Dobbo: J - A, J-A-C, J-A-C-K, JACK CORK

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:24 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:Seeing Dobo at the match the other night caused me to liken Jack with him.

The time that they both always seem to have on the ball, the calmness with which they play, the ability always to find a pass and the ability not to get riled when fouled. (Obviously change to the past tense when reading that for Dobo).

Cork the new Dobson? have you been drinking Ralph?

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:26 pm

For my money, Dobbo was the best in the country at what he did for a couple of seasons.

Corky's a good lad but he's not in that league.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:33 pm

Martin Dobson Martin Dobson tra la la la la la Martin Dobson Martin Dobson tra la la la la la ( Sung Jumping up an down Like a pogo stick.)

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:34 pm

3putt wrote:I think Jack Cork is an excellent player, but for me not in the same league as Dobbo. He was the one of the classiest players on the ball that I have ever seen, the way he could seemingly glide past 2 or 3 men almost in slow motion was a joy to behold. Plus he could shoot, head, defend and pass. What a player!

Martin Dobson was class. It's great that we have Jack Cork and Steven Defour and we can make comparisons.

I played in a school football match (away team) in Clitheroe 71/72. Martin Dobson was on the touch line (can't remember whether he was walking a dog - or had come to watch the game). So, not only had I enjoyed watching Martin Dobson play for Burnley - and England - but Martin Dobson had.... well, been on the touch line while I was trying to play. (I very much doubt he would say he enjoyed watching me).

UTC

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:44 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Martin Dobson was class. It's great that we have Jack Cork and Steven Defour and we can make comparisons.

I played in a school football match (away team) in Clitheroe 71/72. Martin Dobson was on the touch line (can't remember whether he was walking a dog - or had come to watch the game). So, not only had I enjoyed watching Martin Dobson play for Burnley - and England - but Martin Dobson had.... well, been on the touch line while I was trying to play. (I very much doubt he would say he enjoyed watching me).

UTC

Maybe he'd heard about you Paul and was scouting.

I take it the call didn't come through.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:45 pm

They both need to add more goals, heading ability and ball carrying to get near to Dobo.
Steven sees a pass and delivers it better.
Jack controls the pace of the game better but Dobo was truly special.
Started for us as a CF, went back to his best position in MF and came back to be a CH.
The complete footballer.

claret59 · Post by **claret59** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:45 pm

Dobbo was released as a youngster on Bolton's ( I think,) books. His rise to England player is an encouragement to other young players who may be rejected at one club that they could be become a success at another.

brunlea99 · Post by **brunlea99** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:49 pm

Whilst primarily a first class midfielder, Dobbo never looked out of place as a First Division centre half or striker when called upon. I don't believe we will see anyone else with that level of adaptability ever again.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:57 pm

Grimsby Claret wrote:Martin Dobson Martin Dobson tra la la la la la Martin Dobson Martin Dobson tra la la la la la ( Sung Jumping up an down Like a pogo stick.)

Not many remember that

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:14 pm

I like the comparison of Jack Cork to Dobbo. He (Jack Cork) also has a knack of getting in late into the penalty box for a header just like Dobbo.

It is certainly complementing JC to compare him to Martin Dobson. A truly great player.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's Dobbo and you add a letter each time

D-O
D-O-B
D-O-B-O
DOBBO

Surely that would therefore be
D O
D O B
D O B B
DOBBO

Gowerclaret · Post by **Gowerclaret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:23 pm

I played against Martin Dobson in about 1965 when he was Clitheroe GS's Centre Forward. I was playing for Accrington GS and we beat them 4-1. The best player on the pitch was'nt Dobbo. It was Geoff Henshall from Padiham and I've no idea what happened to him but MD was class even then. Sorry to stray from the original thread topic.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:24 pm

BFCmaj wrote:Surely that would therefore be
D O
D O B
D O B B
DOBBO

No, simply because it didn't fit in with the chant.

But it was Dobbo and Martin Dobson uses that spelling himself I can confirm.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:25 pm

Gowerclaret wrote:I played against Martin Dobson in about 1965 when he was Clitheroe GS's Centre Forward. I was playing for Accrington GS and we beat them 4-1. The best player on the pitch was'nt Dobbo. It was Geoff Henshall from Padiham and I've no idea what happened to him but MD was class even then. Sorry to stray from the original thread topic.

I watched him playing for CRGS against Burnley Grammar School at cricket. I'd been playing for a younger team and we'd already been beaten. He scored a classy half century too. At the time I obviously didn't have a clue who he was. It's one or two years ago though, Dobbo's 70 in a couple of months.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:26 pm

Dobson was a class above but always prone to the odd hallucination in defence when his belief in his skills didn't quite match the reality, always worth watching though.
Cork a slightly less gifted player but technically very proficient and much less likely to commit Hari Kari, dependable, not always what you got with MD.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:29 pm

brunlea99 wrote:Whilst primarily a first class midfielder, Dobbo never looked out of place as a First Division centre half or striker when called upon. I don't believe we will see anyone else with that level of adaptability ever again.

or striker when called upon.

He initially come as a striker.
Played a few games for us in that position before being converted to a Central Midfielder.

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Dobbo was Dobbo - please, no comparisons

You are right CT but what a compliment to both of them.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:36 pm

Likening any footballer with any other footballer just doesn't work (Pele/Maradona or C Ronaldo/Messi for example) Dobbo and Jack have one thing in common - they are both Burnley heroes who play/played a similar role.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:39 pm

"The best player on the pitch was'nt Dobbo. It was Geoff Henshall from Padiham and I've no idea what happened to him but MD was class even then."

I think Geoff went on to play for Spenwell (an amalgam of Spencer and Cardwell St in Padiham), along with (I think) Derek Bulcock, and Vincent
Charnley, amongst others if I'm not mistaken!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:40 pm

KeighleyClaret wrote:You are right CT but what a compliment to both of them.

I've said it before and I'm always happy to repeat it.

Dobbo was a fantastic player for us. If only he'd had pace I wonder just how good he would have been. He could play at the back or in midfield, where he was so cultured, and even up front although that's where Bolton, I think, got him all wrong.

But Dobbo the person. I knew him well enough to speak to previously but from 2008 through to 2011, three years when he was in charge of the youth department, I cannot speak highly enough of him. No one, either before or since, at Burnley FC has been more respectful to myself and the website than Dobbo. It was an absolute privilege to deal with him, it really was. I was so, so disappointed when he left.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:43 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:And only the other week, Clement was steadfastly maintaining
it wasn't a mistake to flog him.

Yeah, right Paul.

I was gutted when we didnt sign him first time round. Bit absolutely delighted when we did second / third.

In a weird way hes not changed that much and is no different to when we first had him. But in a good way. Classy on the ball and very calm. Reminds me of lampard but with less goals.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's Dobbo and you add a letter each time

D-O
D-O-B
D-O-B-O
DOBBO

That doesnt even make sense

Gowerclaret · Post by **Gowerclaret** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:52 pm

I think Geoff went on to play for Spenwell (an amalgam of Spencer and Cardwell St in Padiham), along with (I think) Derek Bulcock, and Vincent
Charnley, amongst others if I'm not mistaken!

Thanks for that. Geoff, Derek and I were in the same year at AGS and Geoff was a quality player for the school team. There was a lad called Alan Hoole from Padiham also played. Dobbo was an out and out CF in those days, even when having a kickabout on Rishton rec.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:57 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Cork the new Dobson? have you been drinking Ralph?

Me and Spot did have our Christmas Do this afternoon but I was on water... with my whiskey

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:59 pm

Gowerclaret wrote:Dobbo was an out and out CF in those days, even when having a kickabout on Rishton rec.

It was a CF we signed from Bolton too. But we moved him into a midfield role very quickly. He played CF in his early appearances for us in 1967/68 but Easter 1968 brought the change. He wore the number 9 shirt in a 1-1 home draw against Leicester on Easter Monday and the following day wore the number 4 shirt at Leicester in a 2-0 win, and he scored the second.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:02 pm

I loved Dobos turn.
Ball on the outside of his right foot, suckering the opposition in, and then slowly turning 360°clockwise as they followed him around. As soon as he was facing the goal they were toast.
Wonderful to see.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No, simply because it didn't fit in with the chant.

But it was Dobbo and Martin Dobson uses that spelling himself I can confirm.

How about
D O
D O double B
D O double B O
DOBBO!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:34 pm

fatboy47 wrote:For my money, Dobbo was the best in the country at what he did for a couple of seasons.

Corky's a good lad but he's not in that league.

But the talent pool is a bit bigger. The Premier League isn't just the best players in the UK now, its the best in the world. 40 years ago, Jack Cork would have had a decent should at making into a team capable of winning the league. Was Dobson not in a similar bracket (I never saw him)?

I like the way Cork has developed this season - you can see Dyche's influence, and the way he's bedded into the team. Over the last month or so we've seen loads more of Cork striding forwards in possession, playing more of a box to box role. He came to us as a specialist holding player but he's really begun to spread his wings recently. Long may it continue.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:50 pm

bobinho wrote:Defour played a thru ball to ???? against stoke, and although it ultimately came to nothing, it was one of the best passes I’ve ever seen live. Only he saw it. Iniesta wouldn’t have seen it. Neither would Pirlo. Only Steven Defour could’ve seen it. It was beautiful.

Sorry to hihack. Yeah corky is majestic how he struts around quietly doing his business.

Even I didn't see it Rob!

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It was a CF we signed from Bolton too.

Hadn't he been released by Bolton before coming to Burnley?

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:49 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Dobson was a class above but always prone to the odd hallucination in defence when his belief in his skills didn't quite match the reality, always worth watching though.
Cork a slightly less gifted player but technically very proficient and much less likely to commit Hari Kari, dependable, not always what you got with MD.

If ever confirmation was needed that you've never seen Burnley play.
Hari Kari indeed.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:11 pm

ablueclaret wrote:but always prone to the odd hallucination in defence when his belief in his skills didn't quite match the reality

I did see Dobbo lose the ball once (Just inside our half inside the centre circle). It was so unusual that it has never left me. A true legend in Claret & Blue.

This thread was not created to be disrespectful to him but to highlight the amazing work done by Jack Cork since he came back. WTF were they thinking at Swansea to let him go?!

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:31 pm

Don't doubt there are similarities between Corky and Dobbo. JC has certainly surprised me and made me eat my words. He forms a pivotal axis with Defour and I hope he gets his just deserts by going to Russia next summer. That said Martin Dobson was another level and a Claret all time great. Something for Jack to aspire to.