SD trapped in his own tautology

[ablueclaret]

Well I realise Hendrick isn't playing that well but I'd say he is playing a midfield role. In reality it's a midfield 5.

[Rileybobs]

Well I realise Hendrick isn't playing that well but I'd say he is playing a midfield role. In reality it's a midfield 5.

It isn’t.

[ablueclaret]

Well you're obviously watching different matches to me Riley.

[boatshed bill]

ABC,
Tell us something about our current squad and performance that you are enjoying...

go on!

[hampsteadclaret]

That useless troll is back, talking generally negative shiite as usual...you know, the one that never watches a live game with us in it, but knows everything..

In a week that we 'reach' a Champions League position, ( yes..get that) he is still sticking stuff on here that is just designed to wind proper Burnley fans up...but he is never seen on Turf Moor.
Give me strength.

- go find another club.

[ablueclaret]

I am enjoying this season much more, we are more competitive we are more creative and we defend with even more intensity.
We have six outstanding players Mee Tarkowski Defour Wood Cork and Pope and the rest are good solid pros, we do cry out for a player like Ings who has that something special. I was hoping Agyei might provide that but sadly he appears to have regressed significantly. like AA he appears to have bulked up too much and lost some of the fine control he once possessed.
Nobody can complain about where we are now but last year was annoying to witness when you knew we could be so much better.
I don't think people were aware of what a fantastic defence we had and how we could rely on it, and be more adventurous.

[ablueclaret]

That tolerant liberal attitude that betrays you Hampstead.

[Bin Ont Turf]

- go find another club.

Three of his other clubs are Bristol City, Crewe and Carlisle, so he's quite the glory hunting type of Burnley "fan" and will be with us a while longer.

Maybe he will grow up though.

[ablueclaret]

Sadly not followed those sides for many years. Crewe used to be perrenially bottom of the pile. Following them made me aware of the different perspectives supporters face, continual disappointment followed by continual disappointment lit up by the knowledge they always got enough votes never to be dispatched out of the League.
Briefly also flirted with following Accrington Stanley another place my dad had lived in as a boy but like Crewe they only accustomed you to pain.

[Sidney1st]

I am enjoying this season much more, we are more competitive we are more creative and we defend with even more intensity.
We have six outstanding players Mee Tarkowski Defour Wood Cork and Pope and the rest are good solid pros, we do cry out for a player like Ings who has that something special. I was hoping Agyei might provide that but sadly he appears to have regressed significantly. like AA he appears to have bulked up too much and lost some of the fine control he once possessed.
Nobody can complain about where we are now but last year was annoying to witness when you knew we could be so much better.
I don't think people were aware of what a fantastic defence we had and how we could rely on it, and be more adventurous.

We don't need an Ings, we've got a Defour.

As for Agyei, you've got no idea how he's doing etc, you've probably never seen him play, it was another hit and hope comment from you about him

[boatshed bill]

I think you need to re-evaluate your opinion of SD.
His "tautology" as you put it, has brought players on at an amazing rate.
Pope, Tarkowski, K. Long, Gudmonsson, Arfield, Lowton all playing brilliantly.
like I said before, try to enjoy it while it's all going so well.

[ablueclaret]

I can enjoy something whilst still being critical.
I enjoyed OC's time it was a breath of fresh air but you could see the flaws he had as a manager.
I enjoyed EH's time even if he did play too much touchy touchy at the back but again one was aware of the flaws in his system.
Each manager has his strengths and weaknesses, SD has a great deal of strengths it's just that he doesn't fit easily into the long tradition of Burnley being a team for the artist, fallible but a joy to watch. Now we are a team to respect a side full of worthies but one which often is not allowed to blow a full head of steam, it is the Burnley fan in me which finds SD's style sometimes wanting. His methods from a results point of view are generally excellent although last year I feel we should have been aiming and could have got into the top 10.

[boatshed bill]

I can enjoy something whilst still being critical.
I enjoyed OC's time it was a breath of fresh air but you could see the flaws he had as a manager.
I enjoyed EH's time even if he did play too much touchy touchy at the back but again one was aware of the flaws in his system.
Each manager has his strengths and weaknesses, SD has a great deal of strengths it's just that he doesn't fit easily into the long tradition of Burnley being a team for the artist, fallible but a joy to watch. Now we are a team to respect a side full of worthies but one which often is not allowed to blow a full head of steam, it is the Burnley fan in me which finds SD's style sometimes wanting. His methods from a results point of view are generally excellent although last year I feel we should have been aiming and could have got into the top 10.

You make it sound like the "new" Burnley is hurting you somehow.
I'm seeing it as an exciting evolution.

[ablueclaret]

You really haven't caught up with the digital age have you Sidney.

[Bordeauxclaret]

You’ve got to wonder if we’d be challenging City if Reny Smith had been introduced to the first team.

[ablueclaret]

Not sure whether you were around in the 50's 60's and 70's Boatshed when we really had a plethora of great players who could play with style and panache, amongst the best on the planet at that time.
What we are witnessing now is something quite quite different, it is formidable fortitude, unyielding endeavour with a scattering of significant talent. It is a supreme effort of will, intelligence and planning and it rightly deserves the accolades it gets but it is as different as chalk from cheese in both style and substance from what that great period produced.
Yes SD's achievements are every bit as good as HP's but we are talking about totally different levels of individual skill.

[ablueclaret]

Renny's doing fine finding his level in European football, good on him.

[boatshed bill]

Not sure whether you were around in the 50's 60's and 70's Boatshed when we really had a plethora of great players who could play with style and panache, amongst the best on the planet at that time.
What we are witnessing now is something quite quite different, it is formidable fortitude, unyielding endeavour with a scattering of significant talent. It is a supreme effort of will, intelligence and planning and it rightly deserves the accolades it gets but it is as different as chalk from cheese in both style and substance from what that great period produced.
Yes SD's achievements are every bit as good as HP's but we are talking about totally different levels of individual skill.

Yes, I was about, and loved the football of the 60's.
But the game has changed, almost beyond recognition. high workrate, efficiency, etc. have taken over.
We will never compete financially with the top 6(ish), but we have a manager with strategy which makes us competitive on the field.
What more can you ask for?

[Bin Ont Turf]

Yes, I was about, and loved the football of the 60's.
But the game has changed, almost beyond recognition. high workrate, efficiency, etc. have taken over.
We will never compete financially with the top 6(ish), but we have a manager with strategy which makes us competitive on the field.
What more can you ask for?

You could also add more skill and athleticism.

It takes a special kind of idiot to compare the two, and make it into a negative about a Sean Dyche Burnley team in the 21st century.

[Sidney1st]

You really haven't caught up with the digital age have you Sidney.

So you spend your time watching our loan players games on line?
Sure you do.

[Sidney1st]

I can enjoy something whilst still being critical.
I enjoyed OC's time it was a breath of fresh air but you could see the flaws he had as a manager.
I enjoyed EH's time even if he did play too much touchy touchy at the back but again one was aware of the flaws in his system.
Each manager has his strengths and weaknesses, SD has a great deal of strengths it's just that he doesn't fit easily into the long tradition of Burnley being a team for the artist, fallible but a joy to watch. Now we are a team to respect a side full of worthies but one which often is not allowed to blow a full head of steam, it is the Burnley fan in me which finds SD's style sometimes wanting. His methods from a results point of view are generally excellent although last year I feel we should have been aiming and could have got into the top 10.

Stop, just stop now before the men in white coats come to get you.

We couldn't hit top 10 with that shite away form.

As for his style, it's a winning style so what's the issue?
You'd rather have pretty football with worse results?
Doesn't surprise me, probably why you're so enamoured with Coyle.

[The Sofa Shifter]

Well you're obviously watching different matches to me Riley.

Best post ever from the famous non game watching clown.

[ablueclaret]

People in the Labour Party ask me what more could I want than Jeremy Corbyn as leader, I smile.
SD has proved himself as a superb leader, and I understand that most Burnley fans are enamoured with him and rightly so.
I think he still has a lot of developing to do and will become a much better manager.
He has yet to show how he could handle a big squad, big egos and big demands.
What he has done here is fantastic, he has kept to his agenda and built a significant force, what is less clear is if he has built a dynasty, have the foundations for long-lasting success really been built, or does our success now depend on one man's vision, a vision that may be unrepeatable.

[Sidney1st]

People in the Labour Party ask me what more could I want than Jeremy Corbyn as leader, I smile.
SD has proved himself as a superb leader, and I understand that most Burnley fans are enamoured with him and rightly so.
I think he still has a lot of developing to do and will become a much better manager.
He has yet to show how he could handle a big squad, big egos and big demands.
What he has done here is fantastic, he has kept to his agenda and built a significant force, what is less clear is if he has built a dynasty, have the foundations for long-lasting success really been built, or does our success now depend on one man's vision, a vision that may be unrepeatable.

Why does he need to handle big squads and big egos?
He's never really used a large number of players, he always uses the squad when required, but it's rare he uses everyone, usually because the first team isn't broke so doesn't need fixing unless there are injuries etc.

You have this absolute obsession that Dyche needs to use more players, yet there is a squad limit in place in the PL....
As for ego's, look at what happened with Ramirez and Boro, he demanded a move in the January to Leicester and was toss the rest of the season when he didn't get it.
Same with Leicester who repeatedly down tools to get rid of a manager, Mahrez being one of the most guilty.

Everton pretty much did the same this season.

Ego's cause problems which is why Dyche doesn't mess about signing players who've got them.

[Lord Beamish]

AblueCoyote will be fapping himself senseless at all this revenant attention.

[ablueclaret]

No Sidney, me and SD are as one on the small squad as you know, I see it as central to his success, but at sometime SD needs to step up and manage one of the top 6 and it is then that his method will be tested.
I think SD is ambitious and wants that challenge and it will be fascinating to watch how he deals with the significantly different challenges that will pose.
Yes I believe he could achieve similar success with us if he stayed but it would always be by restricted means, at some point I'm sure he would like to find out if he could manage an expansive attacking side like Man C , any manager worth his salt would.

[ablueclaret]

Thought you'd seen through the Coyote thing Beamish my olde delusional.

[Sidney1st]

No Sidney, me and SD are as one on the small squad as you know, I see it as central to his success, but at sometime SD needs to step up and manage one of the top 6 and it is then that his method will be tested.
I think SD is ambitious and wants that challenge and it will be fascinating to watch how he deals with the significantly different challenges that will pose.
Yes I believe he could achieve similar success with us if he stayed but it would always be by restricted means, at some point I'm sure he would like to find out if he could manage an expansive attacking side like Man C , any manager worth his salt would.

He is managing on of the top 6..

As for going to somewhere else, if he could make us a consistent top 8 side with regular attempts to break into the top 6 what's the need for him to leave?
In regards to the squad, if you like the small squad thing why do you want Dyche to use more players or have a bigger squad?
It leads to unrest, egos take over and invariably the manager gets the sack when players start stamping their feet.

As for ambition, we can fulfill all of those as it stands because he's never going to get the City, Utd or Arsenal jobs.

[ablueclaret]

His ambition is to manage a top club he's said it many times.
Why do you think he has a rolling contract.
We might like him to stop here but he won't
Liverpool a likely destination.

[Sidney1st]

Im glad he's ambitious, it means he has to carry on moving us onwards and upwards to realise his dream of managing a bigger club.

Several managers have rolling contracts, it unique to Burnley and Dyche.

[boatshed bill]

His ambition is to manage a top club he's said it many times.
Why do you think he has a rolling contract.
We might like him to stop here but he won't
Liverpool a likely destination.

I can honestly say I've never heard, or seen a direct quote from, Sean Dyche stating that his ambition is away from Burnley FC.
Perhaps you'd like to cut and paste a few for my benefit, ta very much (in advance, of course) .

[tiger76]

His ambition is to manage a top club he's said it many times.
Why do you think he has a rolling contract.
We might like him to stop here but he won't
Liverpool a likely destination.

I can see Klopp being potted at the end of the season,Dyche would have to be on the shortlist surely.

[bartons baggage]

I can see Klopp being potted at the end of the season,Dyche would have to be on the shortlist surely.

In a word NO.

[ClaretRock]

The framework has been at the heart of SD's success, essentially he believes that footballers need a method that they can understand and adhere to and in this he is right, an organised side will generally beat a disorganised one.
The problem comes when the framework is seen to be faulty, when either it cannot accommodate skill ie Defour or be robust enough to deal with the opposition, us last year away from home.
SD because of his adherence to the 4-4-2 framework made life hard for himself and failed to get the best out of the side, but his conversion to the midfield three made flexibility and the integration of skill possible, he has adapted, something I feared he never would.
Yes I still believe he needs to move to another club to develop further, to become more flexible and to deal with skill at a higher level, but he has shown this season that he is moving forward and he deserves the accolades he is getting for that.

Flexibility + framework + fitness = success.
Flexibility + framework + fitness + finesse = magic.

You think of things in such a one dimensional aspect. SD has pretty much had the run of the club since he has come here he has has time to put his methods in place and the framework he speaks of isn't just representative of where players are on the pitch, it's throughout the club. What his coaches are doing, the players discipline on and off the field, where money is spent, what developments are priority, what players are the right fit for his team all this he has built upon the base structure he was given when EH left. You have forever complained about his deficiencies as a manager... Accept you are wrong and he knew exactly what he was doing since taking on the job as every year we have improved including our relegation year. Well done to the board and SD for working together so well.

[Juan Tanamera]

abc is never happy unless he's miserable.

[dsr]

abc's view on music - "the Beatles had a decent career, but you have to say that if they'd put Tarkowski in the middle between John and Paul and played with 5, they could have done a lot better ... "

abc's view on painting - "Monet's Field of Poppies was a decent picture, but if only he'd put Tarkowski in the middle of the field it could have been worth much more than $100 million ... "

abc's view on architecture - "the Taj Mahal is a decent enough tomb, but how much better if they hadn't stuck with four minarets and put Tarkowski into the middle ... "

[Juan Tanamera]