Damian Green

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:58 pm

Ok. Didn't think it needed one, but i'll go back and add a smiley.

And of course, I understand his judgement being questioned... I just saw an opportunity for a bit of light hearted banter on a subject that could possibly get blown out of all realistic proportion.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:01 pm

FactualFrank wrote:The images that police found included several pictures of one man trying to screw an entire country.

Don't you mean 'continent'?

boiledclaret · Post by **boiledclaret** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I've no idea Boiled, but I'm one of these weirdos these days

I believe in Innocence till proven guilty

Me too, I didn't condemn him. I claimed he might be the fall guy protecting a far bigger picture, since this story looks so weak.

UpTheBeehole wrote:Was the Sky News report written by the BBC?

What about the story in the Telegraph, did the BBC write that too?

The Metro?

Independent?

Guardian?

Blooming heck, they must be busy over at the BBC writing all these stories for other news outlets

Interesting point, why do they all come up with almost identical stories? Probably due to communication via technology and the BBC having final say.
I mean, they're hardly going to be sidetracked by a maverick from the Metro are they?

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:15 am

I don't think pornography is the issue - almost 80% of people view pornography at some point and over 40% of people regularly view pornography on a monthly basis according to loads of studies - and that is both men and women.

It is the fact he was viewing pornography at work in between doing things like his job. So it's a case of we are paying people like him to look at porn while he should be doing his job.

I don't want my tax to pay him full stop as MPs are overpaid idiots, I certainly don't want to pay him to watch porn.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:33 am

It was in his lunch hour ?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:45 pm

He’s resigned admitting that his statements on this matter may have been misleading, I.e. he lied.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:50 pm

'Extreme porn'

Bibi

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:09 pm

Well timed Theresa,he was sat by her side at Questions today, now just enough time for it to be brushed under the carpet before parliament resumes in the New Year. And they wonder why so many people are cynical

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:13 pm

Last seen leaving parliament in a Fake Taxi

RoystonVasey · Post by **RoystonVasey** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:24 pm

Wonder if David Davis will carry out his threat and resign now that Green has been sacked?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:04 pm

FactualFrank wrote:The images that police found included several pictures of one man trying to screw an entire country.

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There, fixed it for you !!

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:08 am

Green's problem wasn't that someone else was able to watch porn on Green's work computer in between Green sending or opening e-mails, or even initially failed to come clean, or should that be cum clean.

When he was denying it he referred to Bob Quick, the retired senior policeman, as a discredited policeman. Firstly, tell a copper (retired or otherwise) that you doubt their integrity and that is one hell of a slur. A bit like telling the wife that she's boring in bed.

I do recall that Bob Quick was a highly regarded policeman, national head of the anti terrorism unit or whatever, so he obviously decided to defend his name and call Green out. Ex colleagues also took umbrage and supported him.

As they're retired then the IPCC can go whistle, they are no longer subject to police disciplinary codes and their pension can't be touched as that requires a prison sentence before that can happen. They are still subject to the official secrets act (state security) but that won't count.

Old saying, "Don't pi$$ in people on your way up, you'll be kissing their arse on the way down..."

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:25 am

Hunt, the health secretary, confirmed that Damian Green had been sacked because he “lied”. Asked if Green was “sacked”, Hunt said: “Yes, I think that is clear, sadly from the letters that were exchanged.” And, asked if Green “lied”, Hunt replied:

He lied on a particular incident, yes. I think lots of people who understand the context would appreciated why that might have happened. But that doesn’t make it any more acceptable. And I think what this shows is that in our democracy we hold cabinet ministers to the very highest standards of conduct, rightly. But I think we should remember that those are standards that would probably not apply in many other countries. And those standards apply even to cabinet ministers who are the most senior, as he was.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:54 am

Those standards probably don't apply at all until they've run out of lies.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:27 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -bob-quick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a mess!

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:56 am

An early xmas pressie from Teresa to the loonie left. should keep 'em foaming at the mouth 'til the new year [or until the inevitable happens and a leftie mp is similarly investigated]. enjoy.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:58 am

Has David Davis quit yet?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:10 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Has David Davis quit yet?

He's backtracked, because he's a snivelling toad

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5186763/d ... ice-leaks/

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:11 pm

biggles wrote:An early xmas pressie from Teresa to the loonie left. should keep 'em foaming at the mouth 'til the new year [or until the inevitable happens and a leftie mp is similarly investigated]. enjoy.

Evidence? Or is that just a general slur on all left wing MPs

Instead of posting uniformed bile why not admit Green is just a liar.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:31 pm

biggles wrote:An early xmas pressie from Teresa to the loonie left. should keep 'em foaming at the mouth 'til the new year [or until the inevitable happens and a leftie mp is similarly investigated]. enjoy.

Can you explain how this is in any way a political left versus right issue?
It's not even whether he may or may not have been using the "works" computer in work time to view pornographic images. It's to do with a senior politician being caught out for telling lies. Theresa May gets that, (he's been one of her closest colleagues and allies for goodness sake), but she realised that he had to go.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:39 pm

All well worth it IMO for the marvellous Sun headline today “ Green fired over porn”

love it how they shoehorned that in ,I guess he’d have had to have been “shot” for an equally filth meister header

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:31 pm

nil desp - upthearsehole only commented because it's a tory mp involved. i doubt he'd have anything to say if it was a labour mp.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:34 pm

biggles wrote:nil desp - upthearsehole only commented because it's a tory mp involved. i doubt he'd have anything to say if it was a labour mp.

????

It's the leading political story today

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:38 pm

and you would have raised this if it had been a labour mp? no.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:26 pm

So what, biggles ?
The deputy PM has had to be sacked. Get over it.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:13 pm

and labour is still in the shadow. get over that.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:14 pm

oh heck. i forgot to add a 'laughing at you' . here you are eddie

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:16 pm

A plonker for sure - but who ordered the stitch-up and who will be next?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:34 pm

biggles wrote:and labour is still in the shadow. get over that.

That would be relevant if I could care less which party is in government.

I have no political heroes. One of yours has been sacked for being a liar, another has back-tracked on resigning as a matter of principle because he's a liar too.
Oh dear.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:09 pm

eddie - you couldn't be more wrong. not one of mine at all. i don't support the tories but i do try to balance a biased post. for someone claiming to have no political leanings you slate the tories at every opportunity and defend labour to the hilt! maybe you are just lying?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:42 pm

He might mean wa***r?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:44 pm

biggles wrote:eddie - you couldn't be more wrong. not one of mine at all. i don't support the tories but i do try to balance a biased post. for someone claiming to have no political leanings you slate the tories at every opportunity and defend labour to the hilt! maybe you are just lying?

Explain.
Or maybe you're lying ?
Or just a knob ?

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:58 pm

explain what you muppet? that you have posted loads of times of your hatred of anything tory? you are a nasty little piece of sh1t pal. liar, liar, pants on fire. absolute tosser.

addisclaret · Post by **addisclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:20 am

Can't believe anyone would put their career on the line for a minger like Kate Maltby.. Real lack of decision making skill there. The country is probably better off without him to be honest.

claretsintown · Post by **claretsintown** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:15 am

Just listen to the establishment figures coming out of the woodwork to make out old Damian is innocent and slate those nasty plebs who spilled the beans. the coppers are whistleblowers albeit 8 years later and should be applauded

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:59 am

biggles wrote:explain what you muppet? that you have posted loads of times of your hatred of anything tory? you are a nasty little piece of sh1t pal. liar, liar, pants on fire. absolute tosser.

Oooooer, somebody's rattled. Or pi$$ed. Or both.

Feeling better this morning, are we ?

I look forward to the evidence proving that I have "posted loads of times of" my "hatred of anything Tory"

When you're ready.....

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:56 am

oh dear. such anger in you labour luvvies. calm down,eddie. have a good xmas.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:17 am

While he may be a tosser, 99.9% of everyone else is a liar if they say they don't look at a bit of naughty stuff online or they are actually doing the acts he was watching on screen.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:19 am

claretsintown wrote:Just listen to the establishment figures coming out of the woodwork to make out old Damian is innocent and slate those nasty plebs who spilled the beans. the coppers are whistleblowers albeit 8 years later and should be applauded

And when the old Bill entered the Palace of Westminster (WITHOUT A WARRENT) and barged their way past a junior girl, who if the senior official had been there, would have rightly denied access to the vindictive copper. What was the purpose of the visit?

They were trying to find a whistle blower who was embarrassing Tony Bliars Liebour Government.

No charges were made at the time, and accusations Soviet style police state on the back of a politically motivated illegal police raid, were totally justified.

The porn was legal. And given that MPs often give passwords to their staff (it's wrong but it happens). It could not be proven who had accessed the legal porn.

Fast forward to 2017 and the copper who'd had his ego bruised, and remember he had "vote new Labour"stickers on his locker. Seized the opportunity to cash in on, yet unproven,accusations of inappropriate behaviour by Damien Green.

His missuse of his note book will see him face disciplinary action, and in my opinion, the calls for his police pension to be stopped are wholly justified.

Cressida Dick said, basically said it's he who's going to get his collar felt!

My main point is this.

The whole basis on which this has come to light was the Liebour Party attempting to silence whistle blowers that were embarrassing, the war criminal Tony Bliar.

Damien Green lied over his knowledge of whether he new about the findings of the illegal police raid.

So an MP lied, not about anything that could affect his role as an MP or anything that could effect the country. But he's lost his job.

If every time an MP lied. They got sacked.

THERE'D BE NO MP'S!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:35 am

Glad that’s sorted.
Blair and Green both liars.

Green has had his comeuppance. Let’s hope one day Blair does as well.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:37 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:????

It's the leading political story today

No it's not. This is!

https://youtu.be/RzkQ6NPzBbg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What does self publicist and narcissist mean?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:40 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Glad that’s sorted.
Blair and Green both liars.

Green has had his comeuppance. Let’s hope one day Blair does as well.

There's a special place reserved in hell.

It has Tony Bliars name on it.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:34 pm

biggles wrote:oh dear. such anger in you labour luvvies. calm down,eddie. have a good xmas.

So that'll be "You're right, Eddie, I can't find any evidence to prove my stupid claim about you constantly posting about how you hate everything Tory." ?

No worries, biggles, apology accepted.

No anger whatsoever, merely contempt for your cheap and rather pathetic attempt to make some kind of point.

I'm neither Right nor Left wing , I'm afraid, just always correct.

You, however...

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:44 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: The porn was legal. And given that MPs often give passwords to their staff (it's wrong but it happens). It could not be proven who had accessed the legal porn.

The very fact that someone in his high position - who must have access to a whole load of sensitive, confidential and potentially compromising information on his computer - would not keep his password (and therefore account) secure, is grounds enough to be dismissed in my view. It's the height of incompetence, and a potential breach of national security.
The porn really isn't an issue, even if it was "his", but the security issue is real IMO, and sharing his password, should IMO be in itself a breach of the ministerial code.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:51 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:So that'll be "You're right, Eddie, I can't find any evidence to prove my stupid claim about you constantly posting about how you hate everything Tory." ?

No worries, biggles, apology accepted.

No anger whatsoever, merely contempt for your cheap and rather pathetic attempt to make some kind of point.

I'm neither Right nor Left wing , I'm afraid, just always correct.

You, however...

Want you meant to say was this-

"I dont know whether im RIGHT or LEFT WING. But I do know i'm always always RIGHT........"

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:56 pm

No, what I meant to say is what I put.

Thanks for the effort at humour (?), though.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:05 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:The very fact that someone in his high position - who must have access to a whole load of sensitive, confidential and potentially compromising information on his computer - would not keep his password (and therefore account) secure, is grounds enough to be dismissed in my view. It's the height of incompetence, and a potential breach of national security.
The porn really isn't an issue, even if it was "his", but the security issue is real IMO, and sharing his password, should IMO be in itself a breach of the ministerial code.

Where did I say he had?!

I said it happens (it shouldn't but it does)

The initial, illegal, State sponsord police raid on Westminster, which was part of an sinister plot to stop whistle blowers embaressing Tony Bliars Labour govenernmet, found no crimes were committed. None. Arguably, the only crime committed, was the, vindictive and unlawful entry, of a, politically driven, Superintendent , into the offices of the a democratically elected MP, and the subsequent missuse of information 8 years later, to the Liebour supporting newspaper, the Daily Mirror, that should have remained have remained locked away.

Thats why he now faces disciplinary action. I dont particularly like Green. But he's been stitched up like a kipper.

Like i said if MPs lost thier jobs everytime they lied. There'd be no MPs.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:08 pm

Ringo I wasn't disagreeing or arguing with you on this point. Stop being so defensive.
My issue is with password security.
I'm pretty sure allowing others to access my account it would have been a sackable offence where I used to work.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:08 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:No, what I meant to say is what I put.

Thanks for the effort at humour (?), though.

Well somebody else has have a go.

You've proven on several occasions, that you're incapable!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:16 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Ringo I wasn't disagreeing or arguing with you on this point. Stop being so defensive.
My issue is with password security.
I'm pretty sure allowing others to access my account it would have been a sackable offence where I used to work.

OK nil-desp sorry about that. Genuinely. Perhaps Ive worded it wrong Perhaps it didnt actually boil down sharing passwords.
Perhaps it was a case of not being able to ascertain who was logged on at any particular time when the legal porn was being viewed.

It shouldnt be over looked that the police had no legal grounds to be there in the first place. And were only there because an inexperinced female of the westminster staff had allowed them illegal entry. Something, repeatedly, over looked by the, Liebour Party, supporting Daily Mirror.......